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Hi all, My management is going to buy few more OS'es. They are planning to buy a few addnl Win 2K's. But since Win 2K and XP are same cost, I thought we should go for WinXP. But I find it very hard to convince them. What should I tell them ? Or do you people, also think Win 2K is ok ? Can you please tell me why you would prefer XP over 2K or if not why ? Smitha Imagination is more important than knowledge. --Albert Einstein
XP is crap and is written for braindead monkeys. W2000 rules. I believe W2000 costs the same as XP Home, which is even more useless. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
It'd probably be fairly easy to make a bot that'd post random stupid VB questions, and nobody would probably ever notice - benjymous - 21-Jan-2003 -
XP is crap and is written for braindead monkeys. W2000 rules. I believe W2000 costs the same as XP Home, which is even more useless. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
It'd probably be fairly easy to make a bot that'd post random stupid VB questions, and nobody would probably ever notice - benjymous - 21-Jan-2003Braindead monkeys? Care to elaborate on why I am classified as one of these? :suss:
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Hi all, My management is going to buy few more OS'es. They are planning to buy a few addnl Win 2K's. But since Win 2K and XP are same cost, I thought we should go for WinXP. But I find it very hard to convince them. What should I tell them ? Or do you people, also think Win 2K is ok ? Can you please tell me why you would prefer XP over 2K or if not why ? Smitha Imagination is more important than knowledge. --Albert Einstein
Smitha Vijayan wrote: But since Win 2K and XP are same cost Same here in NZ. The main reason I won't use XP is the activation nonsense. I want to be able to reinstall my OS as many times as I want without any limits. I have had instances where I have had to do a fresh install of Windows, darn near weekly. (Partly my fault). I have XP on the new family computer and find it to be a lot better than mine, but the H-Ware is better also. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I'm guessing the concept of a 2 hour movie showing two guys eating a meal and talking struck them as 'foreign' Rob Manderson wrote:
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Hi all, My management is going to buy few more OS'es. They are planning to buy a few addnl Win 2K's. But since Win 2K and XP are same cost, I thought we should go for WinXP. But I find it very hard to convince them. What should I tell them ? Or do you people, also think Win 2K is ok ? Can you please tell me why you would prefer XP over 2K or if not why ? Smitha Imagination is more important than knowledge. --Albert Einstein
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Hi all, My management is going to buy few more OS'es. They are planning to buy a few addnl Win 2K's. But since Win 2K and XP are same cost, I thought we should go for WinXP. But I find it very hard to convince them. What should I tell them ? Or do you people, also think Win 2K is ok ? Can you please tell me why you would prefer XP over 2K or if not why ? Smitha Imagination is more important than knowledge. --Albert Einstein
Smitha Vijayan wrote: What should I tell them ? Or do you people, also think Win 2K is ok ? Can you please tell me why you would prefer XP over 2K or if not why ? I didn't like XP when it first came out because it had lots of bugs and there were lots of incompatibilities with existing programs. But there have been a slew of bug fixes since then, new versions of programs that were causing problems (like Zone Alarm, for example) and new hardware drivers. I now find XP more stable than Win 2000. It is slower for some things, but I get by with a 400 MHz system and 256Mb of memory. On a more modern system, you should be fine. The other thing to consider is that Microsoft has this policy of withdrawing support for OSes after a certain period, which obviously is going to happen to Win 2000 before Win XP. I would definitely go for XP. You're just buying earlier obsolescence with Win 2000. Edit. I agree with David Stone that the System Restore feature is invaluable. It has saved me on several occasions. John Carson
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XP is crap and is written for braindead monkeys. W2000 rules. I believe W2000 costs the same as XP Home, which is even more useless. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
It'd probably be fairly easy to make a bot that'd post random stupid VB questions, and nobody would probably ever notice - benjymous - 21-Jan-2003Christian Graus wrote: XP is crap and is written for braindead monkeys. W2000 rules. But why ??? :( Smitha Imagination is more important than knowledge. --Albert Einstein
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XP is crap and is written for braindead monkeys. W2000 rules. I believe W2000 costs the same as XP Home, which is even more useless. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
It'd probably be fairly easy to make a bot that'd post random stupid VB questions, and nobody would probably ever notice - benjymous - 21-Jan-2003Christian Graus wrote: XP is crap and is written for braindead monkeys Actually it is not. I been using it for quite a long while now and I find 2K very dull and slow in comparison. Nish p.s. I was responding to you sayin it is crap. AS for the suggestion that it's intended for braindead monkeys, I dunno. Looking back at my life so far, I sometimes feel a braindead monkey would have done much better! :-)
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Christian Graus wrote: XP is crap and is written for braindead monkeys. W2000 rules. But why ??? :( Smitha Imagination is more important than knowledge. --Albert Einstein
Smitha Vijayan wrote: But why ??? Smitha LOL. CG is always biased abt some things, that's all. An year back he said worse things about C#, now that's what he does for a living :-) Nish
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Smitha Vijayan wrote: But since Win 2K and XP are same cost Same here in NZ. The main reason I won't use XP is the activation nonsense. I want to be able to reinstall my OS as many times as I want without any limits. I have had instances where I have had to do a fresh install of Windows, darn near weekly. (Partly my fault). I have XP on the new family computer and find it to be a lot better than mine, but the H-Ware is better also. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I'm guessing the concept of a 2 hour movie showing two guys eating a meal and talking struck them as 'foreign' Rob Manderson wrote:
Colin Davies wrote: I have had instances where I have had to do a fresh install of Windows, darn near weekly. (Partly my fault). I can understand the "partly my fault" part of it :-) I sure can Nish
Author of the romantic comedy Summer Love and Some more Cricket [New Win] Review by Shog9 Click here for review[NW]
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Smitha Vijayan wrote: What should I tell them ? Or do you people, also think Win 2K is ok ? Can you please tell me why you would prefer XP over 2K or if not why ? I didn't like XP when it first came out because it had lots of bugs and there were lots of incompatibilities with existing programs. But there have been a slew of bug fixes since then, new versions of programs that were causing problems (like Zone Alarm, for example) and new hardware drivers. I now find XP more stable than Win 2000. It is slower for some things, but I get by with a 400 MHz system and 256Mb of memory. On a more modern system, you should be fine. The other thing to consider is that Microsoft has this policy of withdrawing support for OSes after a certain period, which obviously is going to happen to Win 2000 before Win XP. I would definitely go for XP. You're just buying earlier obsolescence with Win 2000. Edit. I agree with David Stone that the System Restore feature is invaluable. It has saved me on several occasions. John Carson
John Carson wrote: I would definitely go for XP. You're just buying earlier obsolescence with Win 2000 Precisely what I thought. But not all the responses I get here sound favourable :(( Smitha Imagination is more important than knowledge. --Albert Einstein
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Smitha Vijayan wrote: But since Win 2K and XP are same cost Same here in NZ. The main reason I won't use XP is the activation nonsense. I want to be able to reinstall my OS as many times as I want without any limits. I have had instances where I have had to do a fresh install of Windows, darn near weekly. (Partly my fault). I have XP on the new family computer and find it to be a lot better than mine, but the H-Ware is better also. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I'm guessing the concept of a 2 hour movie showing two guys eating a meal and talking struck them as 'foreign' Rob Manderson wrote:
Colin Davies wrote: The main reason I won't use XP is the activation non But isn't there version without activation. Or are they costly ? But other than the activation trouble, do you think XP is better than 2K ? Smitha Imagination is more important than knowledge. --Albert Einstein
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John Carson wrote: I would definitely go for XP. You're just buying earlier obsolescence with Win 2000 Precisely what I thought. But not all the responses I get here sound favourable :(( Smitha Imagination is more important than knowledge. --Albert Einstein
None of them know anything...especially when they say I'm a braindead monkey. I am most certainly not braindead. ;)
Hey, what can I say? I'm a chick magnet...a babe conductor...a logarithm for the ladies. -Strong Bad from HomeStarRunner.com Essential Tips for Web Developers
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Hi all, My management is going to buy few more OS'es. They are planning to buy a few addnl Win 2K's. But since Win 2K and XP are same cost, I thought we should go for WinXP. But I find it very hard to convince them. What should I tell them ? Or do you people, also think Win 2K is ok ? Can you please tell me why you would prefer XP over 2K or if not why ? Smitha Imagination is more important than knowledge. --Albert Einstein
I despise XP. It's Windows trying to be an Apple, and doing it badly. It never crashes, but instead crashes all applications several times a day. Fortunately it pops up cute little boxes to let you imagine it's reporting its constant errors to MS. It loses printers on the network, has trouble opening network shares, allows you little control over users and network connections, and has a licensing scheme that is evil. Other than that, it's a wonderful OS. I hate it. Two things it does well - making scheduled backups is easy (assuming that it can find the network backup device at all), and it burns CDs almost without effort. Both are huge improvements over any previous incarnation of Windows. Neither is worth the extra aggravation that comes with it. Win2K is far better for actual use by a long margin. But since it's for work, and your company develops software, XP is the better choice. You need to be able to develop software for the new platform, as awful as it is. The programs I've used on it all fail in weird, unpredictable ways, and as always, MS help is completely useless. Each of them works perfectly on Win2K. You don't want to get your company into a bad spot by developing on Win2K and having your products fail when customers install them on new PCs with the latest MS trash operating system. Since it's for work, go with XP. It is ok for women not to like sports, so long as they nod in the right places and bring beers at the right times.
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Hi all, My management is going to buy few more OS'es. They are planning to buy a few addnl Win 2K's. But since Win 2K and XP are same cost, I thought we should go for WinXP. But I find it very hard to convince them. What should I tell them ? Or do you people, also think Win 2K is ok ? Can you please tell me why you would prefer XP over 2K or if not why ? Smitha Imagination is more important than knowledge. --Albert Einstein
XP: + groups in Explorer (don't diss this - it rocks) + handy image preview utility / digital camera support + it's newer, so more likely to be supported for longer - higher system requirements - that pesky activation thing - passport integration if u can get over the -'s, XP is great.
Shog9
The Man. The Legend. The Bored, Narcissistic, Whiteboard-marker Sniffing Programmer.
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None of them know anything...especially when they say I'm a braindead monkey. I am most certainly not braindead. ;)
Hey, what can I say? I'm a chick magnet...a babe conductor...a logarithm for the ladies. -Strong Bad from HomeStarRunner.com Essential Tips for Web Developers
David Stone wrote: a braindead monkey. I am most certainly not braindead. LOL!!! I wondered why your email came from a server at the San Diego Zoo... Have you and your friends typed any Shakespeare lately? It is ok for women not to like sports, so long as they nod in the right places and bring beers at the right times.
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XP: + groups in Explorer (don't diss this - it rocks) + handy image preview utility / digital camera support + it's newer, so more likely to be supported for longer - higher system requirements - that pesky activation thing - passport integration if u can get over the -'s, XP is great.
Shog9
The Man. The Legend. The Bored, Narcissistic, Whiteboard-marker Sniffing Programmer.
As a kernel programmer, there are lot of advancement done in the pnp and power management part of the OS, which is ideal for new addition of devices.. Also, it gives less number of crashes compared to win2k and quite stable.. Always the latest should be better than the earlier one.. this is what everyone aims at when both are available at same price.. regds, Shiva P
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XP: + groups in Explorer (don't diss this - it rocks) + handy image preview utility / digital camera support + it's newer, so more likely to be supported for longer - higher system requirements - that pesky activation thing - passport integration if u can get over the -'s, XP is great.
Shog9
The Man. The Legend. The Bored, Narcissistic, Whiteboard-marker Sniffing Programmer.
Shog9 wrote: groups in Explorer (don't diss this - it rocks) More than an year, and yet I never ever knew about this feature. Thanks Shog. Nish
Author of the romantic comedy Summer Love and Some more Cricket [New Win] Review by Shog9 Click here for review[NW]
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David Stone wrote: a braindead monkey. I am most certainly not braindead. LOL!!! I wondered why your email came from a server at the San Diego Zoo... Have you and your friends typed any Shakespeare lately? It is ok for women not to like sports, so long as they nod in the right places and bring beers at the right times.
Paul Watson, on Sports - 2/10/2003No...just a big book about a big white whale. :-D
Hey, what can I say? I'm a chick magnet...a babe conductor...a logarithm for the ladies. -Strong Bad from HomeStarRunner.com Essential Tips for Web Developers
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I despise XP. It's Windows trying to be an Apple, and doing it badly. It never crashes, but instead crashes all applications several times a day. Fortunately it pops up cute little boxes to let you imagine it's reporting its constant errors to MS. It loses printers on the network, has trouble opening network shares, allows you little control over users and network connections, and has a licensing scheme that is evil. Other than that, it's a wonderful OS. I hate it. Two things it does well - making scheduled backups is easy (assuming that it can find the network backup device at all), and it burns CDs almost without effort. Both are huge improvements over any previous incarnation of Windows. Neither is worth the extra aggravation that comes with it. Win2K is far better for actual use by a long margin. But since it's for work, and your company develops software, XP is the better choice. You need to be able to develop software for the new platform, as awful as it is. The programs I've used on it all fail in weird, unpredictable ways, and as always, MS help is completely useless. Each of them works perfectly on Win2K. You don't want to get your company into a bad spot by developing on Win2K and having your products fail when customers install them on new PCs with the latest MS trash operating system. Since it's for work, go with XP. It is ok for women not to like sports, so long as they nod in the right places and bring beers at the right times.
Paul Watson, on Sports - 2/10/2003You seem to dislike XP too. But for development we already have some XP's. The new ones are for some other users. I thought I'd recommend XP. Now that you say this...:(( Smitha Imagination is more important than knowledge. --Albert Einstein
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Colin Davies wrote: The main reason I won't use XP is the activation non But isn't there version without activation. Or are they costly ? But other than the activation trouble, do you think XP is better than 2K ? Smitha Imagination is more important than knowledge. --Albert Einstein
Smitha Vijayan wrote: But isn't there version without activation. I think there is a version from China flaoting around. And there is another Multiuser license version about. Definitly outside of my budget. Smitha Vijayan wrote: But other than the activation trouble, do you think XP is better than 2K ? Logic says that it is. Remember though 2000 is version 5.0 and XP is 5.1 so there is not really an awesome difference being described by the people who create the version numbers. One thing I think all Windows dev companies should be considering though is whether MS will really go all 64 bit and multi processor in the future. As to the obsolescence issue, I can see another few yrs for 2000 and a at least that plus two more for XP. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I'm guessing the concept of a 2 hour movie showing two guys eating a meal and talking struck them as 'foreign' Rob Manderson wrote: