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Will the US become a theocracy?

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  • C ColinDavies

    I can't see what wrong with a theocracy anyway. As long as the keep religion out of it. Regardz Colin J Davies

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    I'm now better understanding your explanation of the compton effect :-D;)


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    • H Hans Ruck

      Bush said: When a suburban church and an urban church become full partners, great things can happen :laugh: It seems that the ancient little cowboy used to drink liquids from his mother's perfume bottles, while she was missing for the Sunday Mass. IMHO, the best way of having a link between Bush and religion is this one[^]. All the rest is cheap propaganda, attempting to help America fulfill its vision of justice and prosperity for all :zzz:. rechi

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      Bogdan Rechi wrote: this one[^] :laugh::laugh:


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      • K KaRl

        Felix Gartsman wrote: It works in Vatican, none of the residents complain Nobody complains in Iran either :~ Felix Gartsman wrote: Bush already mentioned his ME vision :confused:


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        KaЯl wrote: Nobody complains in Iran either They do. Mysteriously it always happens roughly one day before they "disappear"... KaЯl wrote: Bush already mentioned his ME vision Middle-East vision - Two states, blah, blah...

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          I heard a discussion on the radio recently that something like 50% of people in the House of Representatives believed in creationism and think it should be taught as a fact in schools in the US. They were talking of people who seriously believed that the earth was created something like 10000 years ago. Debbie

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          Debs wrote: something like 50% of people in the House of Representatives believed in creationism :omg: Debs wrote: They were talking of people who seriously believed that the earth was created something like 10000 years ago :wtf: Do they also believe Earth is the center of the Universe? ;)


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            KaЯl wrote: Nobody complains in Iran either They do. Mysteriously it always happens roughly one day before they "disappear"... KaЯl wrote: Bush already mentioned his ME vision Middle-East vision - Two states, blah, blah...

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            Felix Gartsman wrote: Mysteriously it always happens roughly one day before they "disappear"... I thought they disappeared even before beginning to complain :| (Ah, ok, ME=Middle East. Thanks for the explanation :))


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            • K KaRl

              Debs wrote: something like 50% of people in the House of Representatives believed in creationism :omg: Debs wrote: They were talking of people who seriously believed that the earth was created something like 10000 years ago :wtf: Do they also believe Earth is the center of the Universe? ;)


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              Konstantin Vasserman
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              KaЯl wrote: Do they also believe Earth is the center of the Universe? It would not surprise me at all...

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              • H Hans Ruck

                Bush said: When a suburban church and an urban church become full partners, great things can happen :laugh: It seems that the ancient little cowboy used to drink liquids from his mother's perfume bottles, while she was missing for the Sunday Mass. IMHO, the best way of having a link between Bush and religion is this one[^]. All the rest is cheap propaganda, attempting to help America fulfill its vision of justice and prosperity for all :zzz:. rechi

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                Bogdan Rechi wrote: link between Bush and religion is this one[^]. :laugh::laugh::laugh: Max.

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                • S Stan Shannon

                  They guy speaks with a religoius group and that means we are becoming a theocracy? What would you have him do? Arrest them for defying the moral authority of the state? "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

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                  Arrest them for defying the moral authority of the state? That would be a good start. All those idiots like Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, et.al. should be sentenced to life in prison.

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                    From another newspaper belonging to the World Communist Conspiracy against the Good, the International Herald Tribune: Bush looks to religion as a way to help U.S[^] I fear in a few months GWB will begin to have visions. I hope he won't have the same as Saint John.


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                    KaЯl wrote: the International Herald Tribune Such a nice site. Good design, good ideas, and colum layout for text. Good stuff. Show this to clients as a Good Site TM

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                    • K KaRl

                      Debs wrote: something like 50% of people in the House of Representatives believed in creationism :omg: Debs wrote: They were talking of people who seriously believed that the earth was created something like 10000 years ago :wtf: Do they also believe Earth is the center of the Universe? ;)


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                      KaЯl wrote: Do they also believe Earth is the center of the Universe? No, Washington :~ The tigress is here :-D

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                        From another newspaper belonging to the World Communist Conspiracy against the Good, the International Herald Tribune: Bush looks to religion as a way to help U.S[^] I fear in a few months GWB will begin to have visions. I hope he won't have the same as Saint John.


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                        From the article: "But governments can and should support effective social services provided by religious people, so long as they work, and as long as those services go to anyone in need, regardless of their faith" "Declaring that discrimination against religious charitable groups should end, the president said, "If a charity's helping the needy, it should not matter if there's a rabbi on the board or a cross on the wall or a crescent on the wall or a religious commitment in the charter." Just an observation for those who haven't read it. The tigress is here :-D

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                          From the article: "But governments can and should support effective social services provided by religious people, so long as they work, and as long as those services go to anyone in need, regardless of their faith" "Declaring that discrimination against religious charitable groups should end, the president said, "If a charity's helping the needy, it should not matter if there's a rabbi on the board or a cross on the wall or a crescent on the wall or a religious commitment in the charter." Just an observation for those who haven't read it. The tigress is here :-D

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                          Trollslayer wrote: "But governments can and should support effective social services provided by religious people, so long as they work, and as long as those services go to anyone in need, regardless of their faith" "Declaring that discrimination against religious charitable groups should end, the president said, "If a charity's helping the needy, it should not matter if there's a rabbi on the board or a cross on the wall or a crescent on the wall or a religious commitment in the charter." Nothing wrong with that at all. Some of the Christian Aid groups (Tear Fund spring to mind) are doing amazing things out there, and certainly have my support. Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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                            KaЯl wrote: Do they also believe Earth is the center of the Universe? No, Washington :~ The tigress is here :-D

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                            :-D Or their navel?


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                              From another newspaper belonging to the World Communist Conspiracy against the Good, the International Herald Tribune: Bush looks to religion as a way to help U.S[^] I fear in a few months GWB will begin to have visions. I hope he won't have the same as Saint John.


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                              • E Ed Gadziemski

                                Arrest them for defying the moral authority of the state? That would be a good start. All those idiots like Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, et.al. should be sentenced to life in prison.

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                                Stan Shannon
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                                Ed Gadziemski wrote: idiots like Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, et.al. They don't scare me nearly as much as you do. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

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                                  Ed Gadziemski wrote: idiots like Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, et.al. They don't scare me nearly as much as you do. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

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                                  They don't scare me nearly as much as you do. The truth hurts, doesn't it. All those religious quacks preying on feeble minds like yours must be stopped. You don't even realize how brainwashed you are.

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                                  • E Ed Gadziemski

                                    They don't scare me nearly as much as you do. The truth hurts, doesn't it. All those religious quacks preying on feeble minds like yours must be stopped. You don't even realize how brainwashed you are.

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                                    It is my loathing of any religion which makes me fear you. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

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                                      It is my loathing of any religion which makes me fear you. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

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                                      Ed Gadziemski
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                                      It is my loathing of any religion which makes me fear you. :confused: As an atheist, I have somehow missed your point. Please elaborate. Are you for or against the US becoming a theocracy? In my opinion, we are getting closer and closer. The 1st Amendment line between church and state is becoming very thin.

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                                      • E Ed Gadziemski

                                        It is my loathing of any religion which makes me fear you. :confused: As an atheist, I have somehow missed your point. Please elaborate. Are you for or against the US becoming a theocracy? In my opinion, we are getting closer and closer. The 1st Amendment line between church and state is becoming very thin.

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                                        Ed Gadziemski wrote: Are you for or against the US becoming a theocracy? In my opinion, we are getting closer and closer. We are, but the threat is not coming from christianity to is coming from the direction of anti-christians. Religion, as such, serves the purpose of establish a set of moral parameters. Christianity is merely one means of doing that. The secular left-wing has a moral agenda which has displaced the moral authority of more tradtional religions. The politics of the left *is* a set of religious values being used to purposefully replace Christianity. While not overtly religious, and perhaps an athiest, I do try to adher to a set of Christian values as I understand them. I do not appreciate being compelled by the state to subvert my values for those of an alien religion (Secular Humanism, or whatever you want to call it). The first amendment asserts free exercise of religion much more firmly than it asserts "separation" of church and state. What is the purpose of having spearation of church and state if the state merely assumes the role of a church in the promulgation of its own moral agenda while overtly supressing competing codes of moral ethics? That *is* a theocracy, full blown and well established. You are comfortable with it because it is a theocracy of values that you subscribe to. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

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                                        • S Stan Shannon

                                          Ed Gadziemski wrote: Are you for or against the US becoming a theocracy? In my opinion, we are getting closer and closer. We are, but the threat is not coming from christianity to is coming from the direction of anti-christians. Religion, as such, serves the purpose of establish a set of moral parameters. Christianity is merely one means of doing that. The secular left-wing has a moral agenda which has displaced the moral authority of more tradtional religions. The politics of the left *is* a set of religious values being used to purposefully replace Christianity. While not overtly religious, and perhaps an athiest, I do try to adher to a set of Christian values as I understand them. I do not appreciate being compelled by the state to subvert my values for those of an alien religion (Secular Humanism, or whatever you want to call it). The first amendment asserts free exercise of religion much more firmly than it asserts "separation" of church and state. What is the purpose of having spearation of church and state if the state merely assumes the role of a church in the promulgation of its own moral agenda while overtly supressing competing codes of moral ethics? That *is* a theocracy, full blown and well established. You are comfortable with it because it is a theocracy of values that you subscribe to. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

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                                          Ed Gadziemski
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                                          What is the purpose of having spearation of church and state if the state merely assumes the role of a church in the promulgation of its own moral agenda while overtly supressing competing codes of moral ethics? Are you saying that John Ashcroft's moral agenda is the correct one? Do you think the statue of Justice needs a sheet covering her breasts? You are comfortable with it because it is a theocracy of values that you subscribe to. That is an overgeneralization based on your assumption of my beliefs. I'm a liberal regarding intellectual pursuits, a libertarian regarding limited government, and a conservative regarding fiscal policy. Conservative, that is, in the older sense, where you don't run massive budget deficits. Unlike Bush & Co., I want balanced budgets, low spending, and low taxes.

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