Dellsoft? MicroDell?
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Sitalkes wrote:
As long as Windows based PCs are an open platform, I can build my own PC from scratch just by buying some stuff from Newegg.
Had a discussion with a co-worker about PC's and this very topic. Open platform... Build your own... Windows runs on it all... If you step back it seems a bit odd that we put this kind of expectation on the PC while we don't on any other products. Automobiles, household appliances, cell phones, etc... IMO Microsoft has done an amazing job supporting the plethora of hardware that gets thrown at it. But at a certain point it must gall them that Apple has far fewer headaches in this regard. As PC's become more and more of a commodity, it will be difficult for Microsoft to continue on this path and still make good profits.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
Mike Mullikin wrote:
Open platform... Build your own... Windows runs on it all...
This has always been my reasoning to people about why OS X seems to run so much smoother than Windows. Apple only has to account for a few hardware configurations, all of which they control. Microsoft has to make Windows run on every conceivable hardware configuration that people try to use.
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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I was about to say, "We do, too", when I realized who wrote the message and that I was about to post about the exact same store... :rolleyes:
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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Yeah, I want to go in there and play with a Surface Pro when they come out.
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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3 points of interest: Recently Micheal Dell has said that the company is morphing into a services firm to compete more with IBM, rather than take on Lenovo and its hardware. This would be a major de-emphasis on the PC. Dell PCs would still be sold, but not headlined. It appears Dell is now trying to privatize. Marketing the company to private equity investors. Rumors are that Microsoft may be interested in a stake ($3 billion is being mentioned). My predictions (If Microsoft does in fact buy a big chunk of Dell): Within a year or two the hardware business is spun-off to Microsoft completely. Microsoft branded PC's are born. Microsoft stores pop-up near every Apple store. One or two of the big PC makers abandon ship completely or switch to Chromebooks (or similar). Linux zealots claim yet again that this is their time to shine. Market share rises from 1.35% to 1.36%. Most of the hardcore Microsoft zealots / Apple haters here at CP rave about how wonderful it is to get hardware and software from the same source. :rolleyes:
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
Microsoft stores pop-up near every Apple store.
Versus what? http://content.microsoftstore.com/Home.aspx[^]
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Sitalkes wrote:
As long as Windows based PCs are an open platform, I can build my own PC from scratch just by buying some stuff from Newegg.
Had a discussion with a co-worker about PC's and this very topic. Open platform... Build your own... Windows runs on it all... If you step back it seems a bit odd that we put this kind of expectation on the PC while we don't on any other products. Automobiles, household appliances, cell phones, etc... IMO Microsoft has done an amazing job supporting the plethora of hardware that gets thrown at it. But at a certain point it must gall them that Apple has far fewer headaches in this regard. As PC's become more and more of a commodity, it will be difficult for Microsoft to continue on this path and still make good profits.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
Mike Mullikin wrote:
If you step back it seems a bit odd that we put this kind of expectation on the PC while we don't on any other products. Automobiles, household appliances, cell phones, etc...
Not sure what you mean by that. Most of the market does not build their own computers. There are in fact people that build their own cars and their own phones. And googling provides information on building your own refrigerator. I suspect there are options for other appliances.
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
If you step back it seems a bit odd that we put this kind of expectation on the PC while we don't on any other products. Automobiles, household appliances, cell phones, etc...
Not sure what you mean by that. Most of the market does not build their own computers. There are in fact people that build their own cars and their own phones. And googling provides information on building your own refrigerator. I suspect there are options for other appliances.
I think its a safe bet that there are more people building or radically modifying their PC's than all the people building there own cars, phones (really?) and appliances combined. I'm just saying in it's current state of "extreme flexibility" its a very tough job to create a single OS that can adequately, securely and solidly support everything.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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3 points of interest: Recently Micheal Dell has said that the company is morphing into a services firm to compete more with IBM, rather than take on Lenovo and its hardware. This would be a major de-emphasis on the PC. Dell PCs would still be sold, but not headlined. It appears Dell is now trying to privatize. Marketing the company to private equity investors. Rumors are that Microsoft may be interested in a stake ($3 billion is being mentioned). My predictions (If Microsoft does in fact buy a big chunk of Dell): Within a year or two the hardware business is spun-off to Microsoft completely. Microsoft branded PC's are born. Microsoft stores pop-up near every Apple store. One or two of the big PC makers abandon ship completely or switch to Chromebooks (or similar). Linux zealots claim yet again that this is their time to shine. Market share rises from 1.35% to 1.36%. Most of the hardcore Microsoft zealots / Apple haters here at CP rave about how wonderful it is to get hardware and software from the same source. :rolleyes:
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
That one with Linux shares was just hilarious. You know, Steve Jobs once said that great software manufactures want to make their own hardware. So Microsoft is perhaps going that path with Nokia and Dell.
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
Microsoft stores pop-up near every Apple store.
In my town, we already have a Microsoft Store that just opened in the same mall as the Apple Store.
Ours are about twenty miles apart.
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
Open platform... Build your own... Windows runs on it all...
This has always been my reasoning to people about why OS X seems to run so much smoother than Windows. Apple only has to account for a few hardware configurations, all of which they control. Microsoft has to make Windows run on every conceivable hardware configuration that people try to use.
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
Colin Mullikin wrote:
make Windows run on every conceivable hardware
Like the Space Shuttle, fighter planes, ... There's no surprise that Apple products aren't being used in such applications.
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gavindon wrote:
Because they can...
Ummm... they could double the price of Windows and Office and save themselves the headaches of buying a part of Dell. Apple builds great hardware (whether you believe it or not). They offer excellent support. In many cases, they charge a premium for it. The fact that OS X is married to the hardware does not cause the price to increase.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
Mike Mullikin wrote:
The fact that OS X is married to the hardware does not cause the price to increase.
But how can we be sure? But isn't OSX pretty darn cheap? And one could build a hackintosh?
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3 points of interest: Recently Micheal Dell has said that the company is morphing into a services firm to compete more with IBM, rather than take on Lenovo and its hardware. This would be a major de-emphasis on the PC. Dell PCs would still be sold, but not headlined. It appears Dell is now trying to privatize. Marketing the company to private equity investors. Rumors are that Microsoft may be interested in a stake ($3 billion is being mentioned). My predictions (If Microsoft does in fact buy a big chunk of Dell): Within a year or two the hardware business is spun-off to Microsoft completely. Microsoft branded PC's are born. Microsoft stores pop-up near every Apple store. One or two of the big PC makers abandon ship completely or switch to Chromebooks (or similar). Linux zealots claim yet again that this is their time to shine. Market share rises from 1.35% to 1.36%. Most of the hardcore Microsoft zealots / Apple haters here at CP rave about how wonderful it is to get hardware and software from the same source. :rolleyes:
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
Maybe they can buy the Compaq name from HP.
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3 points of interest: Recently Micheal Dell has said that the company is morphing into a services firm to compete more with IBM, rather than take on Lenovo and its hardware. This would be a major de-emphasis on the PC. Dell PCs would still be sold, but not headlined. It appears Dell is now trying to privatize. Marketing the company to private equity investors. Rumors are that Microsoft may be interested in a stake ($3 billion is being mentioned). My predictions (If Microsoft does in fact buy a big chunk of Dell): Within a year or two the hardware business is spun-off to Microsoft completely. Microsoft branded PC's are born. Microsoft stores pop-up near every Apple store. One or two of the big PC makers abandon ship completely or switch to Chromebooks (or similar). Linux zealots claim yet again that this is their time to shine. Market share rises from 1.35% to 1.36%. Most of the hardcore Microsoft zealots / Apple haters here at CP rave about how wonderful it is to get hardware and software from the same source. :rolleyes:
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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gavindon wrote:
Because they can...
Ummm... they could double the price of Windows and Office and save themselves the headaches of buying a part of Dell. Apple builds great hardware (whether you believe it or not). They offer excellent support. In many cases, they charge a premium for it. The fact that OS X is married to the hardware does not cause the price to increase.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
Mike Mullikin wrote:
The fact that OS X is married to the hardware does not cause the price to increase.
No, but causes the price of any other software you want to use increase.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
The fact that OS X is married to the hardware does not cause the price to increase.
No, but causes the price of any other software you want to use increase.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
The fact that OS X is married to the hardware does not cause the price to increase.
But how can we be sure? But isn't OSX pretty darn cheap? And one could build a hackintosh?
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
causes the price of any other software you want to use increase.
:confused: How so?
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
I've got several apps on my android that are free. The same apps are not free for my iToy. The "apple tax" is quite high.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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gavindon wrote:
Because they can...
Ummm... they could double the price of Windows and Office and save themselves the headaches of buying a part of Dell. Apple builds great hardware (whether you believe it or not). They offer excellent support. In many cases, they charge a premium for it. The fact that OS X is married to the hardware does not cause the price to increase.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
Mike Mullikin wrote:
The fact that OS X is married to the hardware does not cause the price to increase.
are you sure? mac(from apple store):
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15-inch: 2.3GHz 2.3GHz quad-core Intel Core i7 Turbo Boost up to 3.3GHz 4GB 1600MHz memory 500GB 5400-rpm hard drive1 Intel HD Graphics 4000 NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M with 512MB of GDDR5 memory Built-in battery (7 hours)2 In Stock Free Shipping $1,799.00
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Because they can...
Beauty is in the eye of the beer-holder Be careful which toes you step on today, they might be connected to the foot that kicks your butt tomorrow. You can't scare me, I have children.
I agree totally, I used to work for a software publishing firm in the early 80's and we had Apple II and IBM PC products. The IBM software was sold for twice what the Apple software sold for, even though it was essentially the same code. I asked the president/owner why that was, his answer, "Because we can."
Psychosis at 10 Film at 11 Those who do not remember the past, are doomed to repeat it. Those who do not remember the past, cannot build upon it.
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As long as Windows based PCs are an open platform, I can build my own PC from scratch just by buying some stuff from Newegg. Can't do that with apple and btw Dell is overpriced as it is.
As I did just two weeks ago. But for how much longer? http://www.anandtech.com/show/6685/the-end-of-an-era-intels-desktop-motherboard-business-to-ramp-down-over-next-3-years[^]
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