Dellsoft? MicroDell?
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3 points of interest: Recently Micheal Dell has said that the company is morphing into a services firm to compete more with IBM, rather than take on Lenovo and its hardware. This would be a major de-emphasis on the PC. Dell PCs would still be sold, but not headlined. It appears Dell is now trying to privatize. Marketing the company to private equity investors. Rumors are that Microsoft may be interested in a stake ($3 billion is being mentioned). My predictions (If Microsoft does in fact buy a big chunk of Dell): Within a year or two the hardware business is spun-off to Microsoft completely. Microsoft branded PC's are born. Microsoft stores pop-up near every Apple store. One or two of the big PC makers abandon ship completely or switch to Chromebooks (or similar). Linux zealots claim yet again that this is their time to shine. Market share rises from 1.35% to 1.36%. Most of the hardcore Microsoft zealots / Apple haters here at CP rave about how wonderful it is to get hardware and software from the same source. :rolleyes:
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gavindon wrote:
Because they can...
Ummm... they could double the price of Windows and Office and save themselves the headaches of buying a part of Dell. Apple builds great hardware (whether you believe it or not). They offer excellent support. In many cases, they charge a premium for it. The fact that OS X is married to the hardware does not cause the price to increase.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
Mike Mullikin wrote:
The fact that OS X is married to the hardware does not cause the price to increase.
No, but causes the price of any other software you want to use increase.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
The fact that OS X is married to the hardware does not cause the price to increase.
No, but causes the price of any other software you want to use increase.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
The fact that OS X is married to the hardware does not cause the price to increase.
But how can we be sure? But isn't OSX pretty darn cheap? And one could build a hackintosh?
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
causes the price of any other software you want to use increase.
:confused: How so?
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
I've got several apps on my android that are free. The same apps are not free for my iToy. The "apple tax" is quite high.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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gavindon wrote:
Because they can...
Ummm... they could double the price of Windows and Office and save themselves the headaches of buying a part of Dell. Apple builds great hardware (whether you believe it or not). They offer excellent support. In many cases, they charge a premium for it. The fact that OS X is married to the hardware does not cause the price to increase.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
Mike Mullikin wrote:
The fact that OS X is married to the hardware does not cause the price to increase.
are you sure? mac(from apple store):
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15-inch: 2.3GHz 2.3GHz quad-core Intel Core i7 Turbo Boost up to 3.3GHz 4GB 1600MHz memory 500GB 5400-rpm hard drive1 Intel HD Graphics 4000 NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M with 512MB of GDDR5 memory Built-in battery (7 hours)2 In Stock Free Shipping $1,799.00
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Because they can...
Beauty is in the eye of the beer-holder Be careful which toes you step on today, they might be connected to the foot that kicks your butt tomorrow. You can't scare me, I have children.
I agree totally, I used to work for a software publishing firm in the early 80's and we had Apple II and IBM PC products. The IBM software was sold for twice what the Apple software sold for, even though it was essentially the same code. I asked the president/owner why that was, his answer, "Because we can."
Psychosis at 10 Film at 11 Those who do not remember the past, are doomed to repeat it. Those who do not remember the past, cannot build upon it.
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As long as Windows based PCs are an open platform, I can build my own PC from scratch just by buying some stuff from Newegg. Can't do that with apple and btw Dell is overpriced as it is.
As I did just two weeks ago. But for how much longer? http://www.anandtech.com/show/6685/the-end-of-an-era-intels-desktop-motherboard-business-to-ramp-down-over-next-3-years[^]
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote:
But how can we be sure?
I guess I can't but common sense is in my favor.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
Ah, see common sense gets thrown out the window.
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3 points of interest: Recently Micheal Dell has said that the company is morphing into a services firm to compete more with IBM, rather than take on Lenovo and its hardware. This would be a major de-emphasis on the PC. Dell PCs would still be sold, but not headlined. It appears Dell is now trying to privatize. Marketing the company to private equity investors. Rumors are that Microsoft may be interested in a stake ($3 billion is being mentioned). My predictions (If Microsoft does in fact buy a big chunk of Dell): Within a year or two the hardware business is spun-off to Microsoft completely. Microsoft branded PC's are born. Microsoft stores pop-up near every Apple store. One or two of the big PC makers abandon ship completely or switch to Chromebooks (or similar). Linux zealots claim yet again that this is their time to shine. Market share rises from 1.35% to 1.36%. Most of the hardcore Microsoft zealots / Apple haters here at CP rave about how wonderful it is to get hardware and software from the same source. :rolleyes:
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
I don't think Microsoft is interested in buying a big chunk of Dell (nonetheless MicroDell sound good :)), however if they do, this is what I think may happen: - The hardware division won't be spun off. - They may release a Microsoft Signature by Dell PC or Laptop (or tablet), but it will be one of the several that Dell already offer. - Microsoft wants to have more Microsoft stores anyway, so buying Dell won't accelerate nor stop their plans, but may give him better access to abroad markets. - PC makers are considering abandoning the ship since the announcement of the Surface tablet anyway, so this may just accelerate that. - Linux zealots... :laugh:... well i won't argue that point - It will be good as long as Microsoft don't start putting crapware on their computers (which I bet they won't, but who knows) Your predictions, however, may be true only and only if Microsoft buys Dell completely (And drop the Dell brand).
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I've got several apps on my android that are free. The same apps are not free for my iToy. The "apple tax" is quite high.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Mark_Wallace wrote:
The same apps are not free for my iToy.
The same exact app from the same publisher? Or a similar app? Could you provide a couple examples? If the same app, one needs to ask why? Why would a given developer or publisher give away their work on one platform and charge money on a different platform?
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
The fact that OS X is married to the hardware does not cause the price to increase.
are you sure? mac(from apple store):
Quote:
15-inch: 2.3GHz 2.3GHz quad-core Intel Core i7 Turbo Boost up to 3.3GHz 4GB 1600MHz memory 500GB 5400-rpm hard drive1 Intel HD Graphics 4000 NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M with 512MB of GDDR5 memory Built-in battery (7 hours)2 In Stock Free Shipping $1,799.00
It's been my experience that Apple hardware design, build quality and support is better than anything Asus offers but you are obviously free to make your own choice.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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gavindon wrote:
until they realize that that $600 dell is now a $1200 machine that is exactly the same....
I'm confused. How exactly does the hardware and software coming from the same source raise the price of the hardware?
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
In itself it doesn't. MS marketing will do this.
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I think its a safe bet that there are more people building or radically modifying their PC's than all the people building there own cars, phones (really?) and appliances combined. I'm just saying in it's current state of "extreme flexibility" its a very tough job to create a single OS that can adequately, securely and solidly support everything.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
Mike Mullikin wrote:
than all the people building there own cars,
I doubt it. Especially if ones equates the following for building - Computer, builds motherboard itself, and other components. Car builds frame, exterior and machines most of motor - Computer, buys motherboard, other boards and puts together. Car buys motor, other components, modifies existing frame and puts it together. Forgot to mention that people build planes, boats and scooters as well.
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
than all the people building there own cars,
I doubt it. Especially if ones equates the following for building - Computer, builds motherboard itself, and other components. Car builds frame, exterior and machines most of motor - Computer, buys motherboard, other boards and puts together. Car buys motor, other components, modifies existing frame and puts it together. Forgot to mention that people build planes, boats and scooters as well.
Anecdotal but I personally know dozens & dozens of people who have built their own PC by buy components and assembling. I know exactly 0 people who have bought components and built a car. The cost, space requirements, special tools & knowledge for building a car is pretty steep.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
The same apps are not free for my iToy.
The same exact app from the same publisher? Or a similar app? Could you provide a couple examples? If the same app, one needs to ask why? Why would a given developer or publisher give away their work on one platform and charge money on a different platform?
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
Mike Mullikin wrote:
Why would a given developer or publisher give away their work on one platform and charge money on a different platform?
To affect market share. Maybe one "store" charges developers more than the other. Or getting certification in one requires more effort. There could be lots of reasons.
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Sitalkes wrote:
As long as Windows based PCs are an open platform, I can build my own PC from scratch just by buying some stuff from Newegg.
Had a discussion with a co-worker about PC's and this very topic. Open platform... Build your own... Windows runs on it all... If you step back it seems a bit odd that we put this kind of expectation on the PC while we don't on any other products. Automobiles, household appliances, cell phones, etc... IMO Microsoft has done an amazing job supporting the plethora of hardware that gets thrown at it. But at a certain point it must gall them that Apple has far fewer headaches in this regard. As PC's become more and more of a commodity, it will be difficult for Microsoft to continue on this path and still make good profits.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
Mike Mullikin wrote:
Had a discussion with a co-worker about PC's and this very topic. Open platform... Build your own... Windows runs on it all...
If you step back it seems a bit odd that we put this kind of expectation on the PC while we don't on any other products. Automobiles, household appliances, cell phones, etc...Idunno, it looks to me like there's a moving window of complexity and price, where we do have this expectation. Products less complex and less pricey than those inside the window we expect to be cheap and mostly similar regardless who builds them. Products more expensive and more complex we expect t be costly and have no interchangeable parts. This window continually moves up the complexity and price scale. Which is why I expect we'll get cars built from interchangeable, standardized parts in the next few decades, differing in only a few key aspects (what size of engine the chassis supports or what aerodynamic characteristics the skin has, for example), after which cars will be replaced by some cheap personal transportation device which you won't repair, but throw away when it breaks. Tablets, cell phones or the like will most probably go down this road much earlier - they're simply cheaper.
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
The fact that OS X is married to the hardware does not cause the price to increase.
But how can we be sure? But isn't OSX pretty darn cheap? And one could build a hackintosh?
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Anecdotal but I personally know dozens & dozens of people who have built their own PC by buy components and assembling. I know exactly 0 people who have bought components and built a car. The cost, space requirements, special tools & knowledge for building a car is pretty steep.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
Mike Mullikin wrote:
I know exactly 0 people who have bought components and built a car.
So presumably you have seen auto parts stores? Presumably the vast numbers of them? And your supposition is that the only thing that the many people who must exist to support those large number of stores do is fix their cars with exactly the part required by the manufacturer for that car? Have you seen a car from the 50s or the 20s looking all shiny and new? Have you seen the weeked shows for such cars that seem to show up every week? Are you supposing that those cars have just been maintained in that condition for 60 or 90 years? Or perhaps that there is manufacturers lot somewhere that you can but those new?
Mike Mullikin wrote:
The cost, space requirements, special tools & knowledge for building a car is pretty steep
There are more than 1 million millionairs in the US. And given that there are very poor people who still manage to consume vast amounts of drugs and buy vast amounts of clothes. And just because a deal shop has a vast array of tools doesn't mean that someone with a hammer, a wrench and few other special tools with a lot of sweat (and some probably foolhardy risks) can not hack something together. So no cost has nothing to do with it.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote:
And one could build a hackintosh?
I doubt that. Certainly in the past anyone that has tried has been sued into the ground.
I'm not saying mass-producing them for sale.