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  • P pt1401

    Or perhaps just not code in VBA in the first place ;P

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    Jan Holst Jensen2
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    Would actually love not to :-). But sometimes VBA is just the most suitable tool.

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    • P pt1401

      I can't fathom why people would claim that one monitor is more productive than two. It seems like saying that chopping off one hand is is a great idea because you can then concentrate on one side of the keyboard at a time, rather than being distracted by both. I wonder how many people have actually tried multiple monitors and gone back to one because they think it's more productive? I bet I could count them on the fingers of my one and only hand...

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      It seems like saying that chopping off one hand is is a great idea because you can then concentrate on one side of the keyboard at a time, rather than being distracted by both.

      Or with a less dramatic analogy: We can sit on our hands to force thinking over coding. This actually does work sometimes.

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      I bet I could count them on the fingers of my one and only hand...

      :laugh:

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      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

        OK, so I added a second 22 inch monitor a week ago, and I thought I'd just tell you what it's like. I wouldn't go back to just one. Seriously, if you have only one monitor - even a fairly big one - you would not believe how much easier it makes life if you have two. The research I saw claims a 42~51% improvement in productivity - I don't think I'd go that high, but it certainly does make some things a lot easier. It's not just the extra real-estate you add, it's a better, more organised way of working you add. I have VS and Chrome open on my "old" 22 inch in landscape, both maximised so I have the full screen to play with, but with utilities, Outlook, MediaPlayer, my desktop shortcuts and the app I'm working on running on the other. So I can see the app run and look at the code without doing anything other than move my eyes. If I want to look at a technical manual or MSDN I can have that open on the second monitor while coding on the other. I can switch apps from side to side with simple keystrokes. What did this cost? £110 for the monitor, £3 for the HDMI cable and £7 for a wall mounting bracket (and a very, very nice bracket it is too) - my original video card supported multiple monitors, so I didn't need to lay out £30 on a new one. Add a few quid for postage, and half an hour installation and you're there. Is it value for money? Definitely. If it doesn't make me actually more productive (and I think it does, just not 50% more) then it makes it easier to concentrate on what you are doing without chasing the right window round the screen and trying to find a way to show both apps at the same time. Which has got to improve productivity all on it's own. I don't know if you want a Portrait and Landscape combination - I did - but if you don't then you just need the desk space. Talk to your boss. Get a second monitor - I'm sold on 'em!

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        Tomz_KV
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        I would not mind of three monitors if possible.

        TOMZ_KV

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        • A AspDotNetDev

          It is fantastic for increasing productivity at work, and it's even streamlined my procrastination at home. I can play on Facebook or whatever useless activity on one screen while I watch a movie on the other screen. :-\

          Thou mewling ill-breeding pignut!

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          AspDotNetDev wrote:

          streamlined my procrastination

          I love it! Dude - I believe you've come up with new urban slang.

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          • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

            OK, so I added a second 22 inch monitor a week ago, and I thought I'd just tell you what it's like. I wouldn't go back to just one. Seriously, if you have only one monitor - even a fairly big one - you would not believe how much easier it makes life if you have two. The research I saw claims a 42~51% improvement in productivity - I don't think I'd go that high, but it certainly does make some things a lot easier. It's not just the extra real-estate you add, it's a better, more organised way of working you add. I have VS and Chrome open on my "old" 22 inch in landscape, both maximised so I have the full screen to play with, but with utilities, Outlook, MediaPlayer, my desktop shortcuts and the app I'm working on running on the other. So I can see the app run and look at the code without doing anything other than move my eyes. If I want to look at a technical manual or MSDN I can have that open on the second monitor while coding on the other. I can switch apps from side to side with simple keystrokes. What did this cost? £110 for the monitor, £3 for the HDMI cable and £7 for a wall mounting bracket (and a very, very nice bracket it is too) - my original video card supported multiple monitors, so I didn't need to lay out £30 on a new one. Add a few quid for postage, and half an hour installation and you're there. Is it value for money? Definitely. If it doesn't make me actually more productive (and I think it does, just not 50% more) then it makes it easier to concentrate on what you are doing without chasing the right window round the screen and trying to find a way to show both apps at the same time. Which has got to improve productivity all on it's own. I don't know if you want a Portrait and Landscape combination - I did - but if you don't then you just need the desk space. Talk to your boss. Get a second monitor - I'm sold on 'em!

            If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.

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            andyd273
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            I totally agree about how valuable multiple monitors are. I was the first one where I work to get a second monitor, then my boss decided he would try it, and shortly after every single desk had two monitors. The last time we upgraded our computers we got dual 22 inch monitors, and I held on to my 19 inch monitors because the video card could support 4 outputs. That means I currently have four monitors and I'll never go back to just two. I literally feel claustrophobic on smaller resolutions. I would go back to 3 monitors if one of them was a 4K or 8K, at which point I just wouldn't full screen things in the center much, and use the 22 inchers on the sides to view full screen output. It's amazing how much more efficient things are when you don't have to keep minimizing windows to see everything.

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            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

              OK, so I added a second 22 inch monitor a week ago, and I thought I'd just tell you what it's like. I wouldn't go back to just one. Seriously, if you have only one monitor - even a fairly big one - you would not believe how much easier it makes life if you have two. The research I saw claims a 42~51% improvement in productivity - I don't think I'd go that high, but it certainly does make some things a lot easier. It's not just the extra real-estate you add, it's a better, more organised way of working you add. I have VS and Chrome open on my "old" 22 inch in landscape, both maximised so I have the full screen to play with, but with utilities, Outlook, MediaPlayer, my desktop shortcuts and the app I'm working on running on the other. So I can see the app run and look at the code without doing anything other than move my eyes. If I want to look at a technical manual or MSDN I can have that open on the second monitor while coding on the other. I can switch apps from side to side with simple keystrokes. What did this cost? £110 for the monitor, £3 for the HDMI cable and £7 for a wall mounting bracket (and a very, very nice bracket it is too) - my original video card supported multiple monitors, so I didn't need to lay out £30 on a new one. Add a few quid for postage, and half an hour installation and you're there. Is it value for money? Definitely. If it doesn't make me actually more productive (and I think it does, just not 50% more) then it makes it easier to concentrate on what you are doing without chasing the right window round the screen and trying to find a way to show both apps at the same time. Which has got to improve productivity all on it's own. I don't know if you want a Portrait and Landscape combination - I did - but if you don't then you just need the desk space. Talk to your boss. Get a second monitor - I'm sold on 'em!

              If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.

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              BrainiacV
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              I finally got our company to standardize on at least two monitors. I started with one in portrait and the other in landscape. Love it. The portrait is used for browsing and code. The landscape is used with Outlook and the sub-windows in Visual Studio. I'm considering getting one of those cheap USB monitors to use as a third screen to display the variables while the application screen is in the landscape monitor. My minions so far enjoy using both monitors in landscape mode. I set up my home systems with the landscape and portrait pair. I also went to using two KVM switches so I could share the pair on two computers. One KVM switch is keyboard driven and the other has a button to select between the two. I'd love to have a single dual screen KVM, but they are hideously expensive compared to the minor inconvenience of having to trigger the two switches. I won't go back to a single monitor.

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              • D Dan Neely

                I'm curious what you're doing to get good use out of three? I've got that setup both at home and in the office and found major diminishing returns on the 3rd. At home #3's mostly turned into a dedicated chat monitor and almost never used for anything else; at work I'd put the relative use levels at 55/35/10% with #3 only getting a significant share of the work when I'm working on documentation updates (copy being edited; copy marked up by reviewer; reference documents, reply to reviewer, etc). I actually had 4 screens at work for about 2 weeks but took the 4th down to reclaim desk space when I never used it for anything.

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                Usually I use one for Visual Studio, one for Management Studio, and the third for web/email/chat. The systems breaks down entirely if I'm working on a drawing and usually end up with various Gimp windows open across all 3.

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                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                  OK, so I added a second 22 inch monitor a week ago, and I thought I'd just tell you what it's like. I wouldn't go back to just one. Seriously, if you have only one monitor - even a fairly big one - you would not believe how much easier it makes life if you have two. The research I saw claims a 42~51% improvement in productivity - I don't think I'd go that high, but it certainly does make some things a lot easier. It's not just the extra real-estate you add, it's a better, more organised way of working you add. I have VS and Chrome open on my "old" 22 inch in landscape, both maximised so I have the full screen to play with, but with utilities, Outlook, MediaPlayer, my desktop shortcuts and the app I'm working on running on the other. So I can see the app run and look at the code without doing anything other than move my eyes. If I want to look at a technical manual or MSDN I can have that open on the second monitor while coding on the other. I can switch apps from side to side with simple keystrokes. What did this cost? £110 for the monitor, £3 for the HDMI cable and £7 for a wall mounting bracket (and a very, very nice bracket it is too) - my original video card supported multiple monitors, so I didn't need to lay out £30 on a new one. Add a few quid for postage, and half an hour installation and you're there. Is it value for money? Definitely. If it doesn't make me actually more productive (and I think it does, just not 50% more) then it makes it easier to concentrate on what you are doing without chasing the right window round the screen and trying to find a way to show both apps at the same time. Which has got to improve productivity all on it's own. I don't know if you want a Portrait and Landscape combination - I did - but if you don't then you just need the desk space. Talk to your boss. Get a second monitor - I'm sold on 'em!

                  If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.

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                  RafagaX
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                  I have been working with dual monitors for a couple of years, and I wouldn't go back to one either, actually i'm considering adding a third one... just to have one screen for The Lounge... :laugh:

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                  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                    OK, so I added a second 22 inch monitor a week ago, and I thought I'd just tell you what it's like. I wouldn't go back to just one. Seriously, if you have only one monitor - even a fairly big one - you would not believe how much easier it makes life if you have two. The research I saw claims a 42~51% improvement in productivity - I don't think I'd go that high, but it certainly does make some things a lot easier. It's not just the extra real-estate you add, it's a better, more organised way of working you add. I have VS and Chrome open on my "old" 22 inch in landscape, both maximised so I have the full screen to play with, but with utilities, Outlook, MediaPlayer, my desktop shortcuts and the app I'm working on running on the other. So I can see the app run and look at the code without doing anything other than move my eyes. If I want to look at a technical manual or MSDN I can have that open on the second monitor while coding on the other. I can switch apps from side to side with simple keystrokes. What did this cost? £110 for the monitor, £3 for the HDMI cable and £7 for a wall mounting bracket (and a very, very nice bracket it is too) - my original video card supported multiple monitors, so I didn't need to lay out £30 on a new one. Add a few quid for postage, and half an hour installation and you're there. Is it value for money? Definitely. If it doesn't make me actually more productive (and I think it does, just not 50% more) then it makes it easier to concentrate on what you are doing without chasing the right window round the screen and trying to find a way to show both apps at the same time. Which has got to improve productivity all on it's own. I don't know if you want a Portrait and Landscape combination - I did - but if you don't then you just need the desk space. Talk to your boss. Get a second monitor - I'm sold on 'em!

                    If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.

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                    Contrary to most of the developers here, I have used dual monitors, but mostly code on a 10" netbook that is portable. The difference is that the netbook runs a virtual window manager, with a virtual 3000x2500 pixel display. The dual monitor setup is only really a productivity boost when using Windows as a development platform, as I have not found a good virtual window manager solution for Windows. The few that I've tried have had unforgivable issues.

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                    • H hpcoder2

                      Contrary to most of the developers here, I have used dual monitors, but mostly code on a 10" netbook that is portable. The difference is that the netbook runs a virtual window manager, with a virtual 3000x2500 pixel display. The dual monitor setup is only really a productivity boost when using Windows as a development platform, as I have not found a good virtual window manager solution for Windows. The few that I've tried have had unforgivable issues.

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                      OriginalGriff
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                      I can't see that working for me - a tiny (and 10" is tiny) window onto my dev environment would drive me round the bend. I'd be back to a single 22" monitor, but with every app full screen and seen from the other side of the room. Not good for details and relationships! Still, if it works for you...:thumbsup:

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                      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                        OK, so I added a second 22 inch monitor a week ago, and I thought I'd just tell you what it's like. I wouldn't go back to just one. Seriously, if you have only one monitor - even a fairly big one - you would not believe how much easier it makes life if you have two. The research I saw claims a 42~51% improvement in productivity - I don't think I'd go that high, but it certainly does make some things a lot easier. It's not just the extra real-estate you add, it's a better, more organised way of working you add. I have VS and Chrome open on my "old" 22 inch in landscape, both maximised so I have the full screen to play with, but with utilities, Outlook, MediaPlayer, my desktop shortcuts and the app I'm working on running on the other. So I can see the app run and look at the code without doing anything other than move my eyes. If I want to look at a technical manual or MSDN I can have that open on the second monitor while coding on the other. I can switch apps from side to side with simple keystrokes. What did this cost? £110 for the monitor, £3 for the HDMI cable and £7 for a wall mounting bracket (and a very, very nice bracket it is too) - my original video card supported multiple monitors, so I didn't need to lay out £30 on a new one. Add a few quid for postage, and half an hour installation and you're there. Is it value for money? Definitely. If it doesn't make me actually more productive (and I think it does, just not 50% more) then it makes it easier to concentrate on what you are doing without chasing the right window round the screen and trying to find a way to show both apps at the same time. Which has got to improve productivity all on it's own. I don't know if you want a Portrait and Landscape combination - I did - but if you don't then you just need the desk space. Talk to your boss. Get a second monitor - I'm sold on 'em!

                        If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.

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                        hlo45
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                        Where have you been hiding? I have been using 2 monitors for the last 12 years! Even for the few months of laptop (a previous employer) we have a dock so we can use 2 displays. When I do have to work from home using the laptop, I hook my LCD to it so I have 2 screens. I can still use single screen for leisure but not for serious work.

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                        • C Clumpco

                          I use three monitors, but on two computers. My main "work" computer has the usual dual monitor setup, the third monitor is either connected to my laptop (at work) or my workhorse PC at home (I do a lot of video editing/encoding). With the most excellent Mouse Without Borders[^] I can easily code, test and chat without all that alt-tabbing going on. Having chats etc. on a seperate machine avoids annoying focus-stealing pop-ups from ... err... stealing the focus.

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                          James Lonero
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                          Speaking of a mouse without boarders, this is even stranger. I have a dual monitor setup in my office with a wall calendar posted next to my left monitor. Sometimes, without thinking, I want to drag a date from the calendar onto an application. No! The mouse only works on the computer screen. Not the wall calendar. Frustrating, but, maybe the next best thing. Can I drag that picture on the wall into my application?

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                          • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                            OK, so I added a second 22 inch monitor a week ago, and I thought I'd just tell you what it's like. I wouldn't go back to just one. Seriously, if you have only one monitor - even a fairly big one - you would not believe how much easier it makes life if you have two. The research I saw claims a 42~51% improvement in productivity - I don't think I'd go that high, but it certainly does make some things a lot easier. It's not just the extra real-estate you add, it's a better, more organised way of working you add. I have VS and Chrome open on my "old" 22 inch in landscape, both maximised so I have the full screen to play with, but with utilities, Outlook, MediaPlayer, my desktop shortcuts and the app I'm working on running on the other. So I can see the app run and look at the code without doing anything other than move my eyes. If I want to look at a technical manual or MSDN I can have that open on the second monitor while coding on the other. I can switch apps from side to side with simple keystrokes. What did this cost? £110 for the monitor, £3 for the HDMI cable and £7 for a wall mounting bracket (and a very, very nice bracket it is too) - my original video card supported multiple monitors, so I didn't need to lay out £30 on a new one. Add a few quid for postage, and half an hour installation and you're there. Is it value for money? Definitely. If it doesn't make me actually more productive (and I think it does, just not 50% more) then it makes it easier to concentrate on what you are doing without chasing the right window round the screen and trying to find a way to show both apps at the same time. Which has got to improve productivity all on it's own. I don't know if you want a Portrait and Landscape combination - I did - but if you don't then you just need the desk space. Talk to your boss. Get a second monitor - I'm sold on 'em!

                            If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.

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                            James Lonero
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                            Here is a company that allows you to plug three monitors into your notebook: "http://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/products/gxm/th2go/". This external device adds up to three monitors to your notebook or desktop computer. It allows you to open a different application on each monitor or stretch one application across three monitors. It is available in Display Port, Digital or Analog Editions. Also, please note that the resolution and compatibility is dependent on the GPU of your system. The compatibility list, located at this link: "http://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/support/compatibility/gxm/resolutions/" to determine the maximum resolution that you could achieve.

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                            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                              OK, so I added a second 22 inch monitor a week ago, and I thought I'd just tell you what it's like. I wouldn't go back to just one. Seriously, if you have only one monitor - even a fairly big one - you would not believe how much easier it makes life if you have two. The research I saw claims a 42~51% improvement in productivity - I don't think I'd go that high, but it certainly does make some things a lot easier. It's not just the extra real-estate you add, it's a better, more organised way of working you add. I have VS and Chrome open on my "old" 22 inch in landscape, both maximised so I have the full screen to play with, but with utilities, Outlook, MediaPlayer, my desktop shortcuts and the app I'm working on running on the other. So I can see the app run and look at the code without doing anything other than move my eyes. If I want to look at a technical manual or MSDN I can have that open on the second monitor while coding on the other. I can switch apps from side to side with simple keystrokes. What did this cost? £110 for the monitor, £3 for the HDMI cable and £7 for a wall mounting bracket (and a very, very nice bracket it is too) - my original video card supported multiple monitors, so I didn't need to lay out £30 on a new one. Add a few quid for postage, and half an hour installation and you're there. Is it value for money? Definitely. If it doesn't make me actually more productive (and I think it does, just not 50% more) then it makes it easier to concentrate on what you are doing without chasing the right window round the screen and trying to find a way to show both apps at the same time. Which has got to improve productivity all on it's own. I don't know if you want a Portrait and Landscape combination - I did - but if you don't then you just need the desk space. Talk to your boss. Get a second monitor - I'm sold on 'em!

                              If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.

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                              miketky
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                              did exactly that, i'm amazed that dual monitor is not a standard practice yet.

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