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  • D Darren_vms

    Or a visit to prison

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    Lost User
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    Or you went walking around Asia and are a pretentious twonk who will nag, bore, and annoy everyone who already works there,

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    • P Pete OHanlon

      A gap, in itself, can be okay, as long as you can show a legitimate reason for it. The worry for an employer is that a gap is being used to hide something unwanted, like a job that you were sacked from.

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      Nagy Vilmos
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      Is a stupendous hangover a legitimate reason?


      Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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        Is a stupendous hangover a legitimate reason?


        Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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        Pete OHanlon
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        Works for me. If you can use the "I can't remember that year due to the sheer amount of alcohol I consumed", you'd get through the vetting stage at least.

        I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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        • P Pete OHanlon

          Works for me. If you can use the "I can't remember that year due to the sheer amount of alcohol I consumed", you'd get through the vetting stage at least.

          I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
          CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier

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          Simon_Whale
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          doesn't Nagy need to finish the bender first?

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          • L Lost User

            I always wonder why gap in career will make it difficult to get job. Why recruiters cannot consider work experience as how many years someone worked and left non-working years? Whats the problem with gap?

            Happy Programming

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            BillWoodruff
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            Hi, I assume you write this because of some personal concern about a "gap" in your own technical career, and I respect you may not wish to disclose the details of that. I am afraid that reluctance to hire someone with "gaps," is, in general, because: people considering hiring you will think you are not a reliable "mule," who, once "in the harness," will haul your pack-load with monotonous consistency, keeping in-step with the other mules, and not paying attention to anything in the work environment except your own duties. On a very practical level: if the company knows it will take you several months to get fully engaged, and productive, "trained up," to their projects, methods, etc.: then it's logical for them to worry that you might leave for some reason, and then: they take a tangible loss of the "engineering capital" they have invested in getting you productive. To put it simply: they're afraid to bet on you, because they might lose their investment in you, because your life is "out-of-kilter" with the norm, the mean, the mode, etc. But, so much depends on the technical level you are at, the nature of the position you are applying for; on your own "track-record" of innovation and achievement. Some companies, for certain positions, look for the "wild-card" individual who may "think outside the box," because: they have "lived outside the box." Long ago, an old friend of mine was head of a division at Microsoft, in a certain area of developer support (back in the late neolithic, when we used VB5~6). He told me that an applicant had showed up, for an editorial position, who, for the last three years, had been studying Zen in Japan, but had an excellent technical-editorial record, before departing to explore "emptiness." In the staff meeting where the final applicants were discussed, my friend told me, that the general consensus was not to hire him. The applicant had answered the question: "what is the most important thing to you in your future ?" with the statement: "contributing to world peace." My friend over-ruled the staff, and hired him. During the few years before the division my friend was head of was re-structured into non-existence, the former Zen student was one of the most productive employees they ever had. That's probably a one-of-a-kind example ? :) On the other hand, a more typical "contrarian" example might be: that you have about-box credit on a product that made some company millions of dollars: that fact may make the fact your resume's time-line is as holey as Swiss-ch

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              Hi, I assume you write this because of some personal concern about a "gap" in your own technical career, and I respect you may not wish to disclose the details of that. I am afraid that reluctance to hire someone with "gaps," is, in general, because: people considering hiring you will think you are not a reliable "mule," who, once "in the harness," will haul your pack-load with monotonous consistency, keeping in-step with the other mules, and not paying attention to anything in the work environment except your own duties. On a very practical level: if the company knows it will take you several months to get fully engaged, and productive, "trained up," to their projects, methods, etc.: then it's logical for them to worry that you might leave for some reason, and then: they take a tangible loss of the "engineering capital" they have invested in getting you productive. To put it simply: they're afraid to bet on you, because they might lose their investment in you, because your life is "out-of-kilter" with the norm, the mean, the mode, etc. But, so much depends on the technical level you are at, the nature of the position you are applying for; on your own "track-record" of innovation and achievement. Some companies, for certain positions, look for the "wild-card" individual who may "think outside the box," because: they have "lived outside the box." Long ago, an old friend of mine was head of a division at Microsoft, in a certain area of developer support (back in the late neolithic, when we used VB5~6). He told me that an applicant had showed up, for an editorial position, who, for the last three years, had been studying Zen in Japan, but had an excellent technical-editorial record, before departing to explore "emptiness." In the staff meeting where the final applicants were discussed, my friend told me, that the general consensus was not to hire him. The applicant had answered the question: "what is the most important thing to you in your future ?" with the statement: "contributing to world peace." My friend over-ruled the staff, and hired him. During the few years before the division my friend was head of was re-structured into non-existence, the former Zen student was one of the most productive employees they ever had. That's probably a one-of-a-kind example ? :) On the other hand, a more typical "contrarian" example might be: that you have about-box credit on a product that made some company millions of dollars: that fact may make the fact your resume's time-line is as holey as Swiss-ch

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              Lost User
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              Thanks Bill for your insights. It would be interesting to see books you have written. May I know name of the books (link) you have written. Regards

              Happy Programming

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              • L Lost User

                I always wonder why gap in career will make it difficult to get job. Why recruiters cannot consider work experience as how many years someone worked and left non-working years? Whats the problem with gap?

                Happy Programming

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                Mark_Wallace
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                Just tell them: "I took some time out to look after my uncle, who was born with brain damage, and suffers from extreme mental problems. Funnily enough, you look a lot like him."

                I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                • M Mark_Wallace

                  Just tell them: "I took some time out to look after my uncle, who was born with brain damage, and suffers from extreme mental problems. Funnily enough, you look a lot like him."

                  I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                  Thanks for advice. I don't want to spend my life without employment. :^)

                  Happy Programming

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                  • M Mark_Wallace

                    Just tell them: "I took some time out to look after my uncle, who was born with brain damage, and suffers from extreme mental problems. Funnily enough, you look a lot like him."

                    I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                    BillWoodruff
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                    Excellent one, Mark: had to up-vote that :) yrs, Bill

                    “Thus on many occasions man divides himself into two persons, one who tries to fool the other, while a third, who in fact is the same as the other two, is filled with wonder at this confusion. Thinking becomes dramatic, and acts out the most complicated plots within itself, and, spectator, again, and again, becomes: actor.” From a book by the Danish writer, Paul Moller, which was a favorite of Niels Bohr.

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                    • L Lost User

                      I always wonder why gap in career will make it difficult to get job. Why recruiters cannot consider work experience as how many years someone worked and left non-working years? Whats the problem with gap?

                      Happy Programming

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                      wizardzz
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                      It can show potential lack of motivation or hint at an unknown unemployable trait. I would provide a reason even without being asked.

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                      • L Lost User

                        I always wonder why gap in career will make it difficult to get job. Why recruiters cannot consider work experience as how many years someone worked and left non-working years? Whats the problem with gap?

                        Happy Programming

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                        Lost User
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                        Pranit Kothari wrote:

                        Why recruiters cannot

                        ..because most of them are lazy. It's not just a gap that's a problem, if you currently do not hold a job, then there must be something wrong with you. You are applying for a job, and you do not have to explain your whole private life, nor defend your choices. "I took of for half a year with my transgender-confused imaginary boyfriend, because we had to practice for Brittains' got Talent"

                        Pranit Kothari wrote:

                        Whats the problem with gap?

                        It means the other person has to think, while he could just as easily pick another person from the pile. Or wait another month.

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                        • L Lost User

                          I always wonder why gap in career will make it difficult to get job. Why recruiters cannot consider work experience as how many years someone worked and left non-working years? Whats the problem with gap?

                          Happy Programming

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                          Clifford Nelson
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                          Probably for the same reason that even if a job does not really require a college degree, they will not consider you unless you have that degree. Almost can't wait tables without a college degree now.

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