How times change...
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Letter to 'Sinclair User' June 1984: "AS A TEACHER and a Conservative supporter, I take exception to some of the remarks made in your April article, No Time For Complacency. I cannot speak for the present Government but I would like to put my views as briefly as I can. The profligate spending of the last Socialist Government, or "Labour" as it calls itself, for some unknown reason, left this country in a very difficult financial position. The International Monetary Fund had refused to lend it any more money because of the extravagant way in which it was spent and the Socialists had to impose a freeze on spending which affected education and other services very severely. It has cost practically all the revenue from North Sea oil to pay the interest on that debt and pay off some of the blank cheques left behind when they were put out of office in 1979. Under their Minister of Education, none other than Mrs Shirley Williams who was then a Socialist, we suffered equally from shortages of books and materials at a time when schools were full. She was too busy trying to impose comprehensive education on all and sundry to bother about such mundane things. The present Government has put things back into perspective. You just cannot go on spending other people's money for ever, soaking the "rich" - who are usually not Labour supporters - to give to those they consider are the "poor" - who are usually good Labour party members, otherwise they do not exist - forever. What happens when there are no more "rich"? I bought a 48K Spectrum last July after a long wait until I could afford one, as I wanted to assess its capabilities as a teaching machine, which I found to be limitless. I also wanted to keep one step ahead of the little horrors I teach and to be able to hold my own in discussions. As I find it a pleasant relief from work and politics, I did not welcome the intrusion of this in your otherwise excellent magazine. I shall, of course, continue to read it, despite all. I cannot afford many things just now, like a daisywheel printer to go with my Tasword II and replace my 30-year-old typewriter; I shall buy one when I can afford it. The Government would dearly love to issue each school with two dozen computers and keep them up to date but there is the debt to pay and all manner of pressure groups demanding their share of public funds which are only just beginning to exist again." We move in circles.
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Letter to 'Sinclair User' June 1984: "AS A TEACHER and a Conservative supporter, I take exception to some of the remarks made in your April article, No Time For Complacency. I cannot speak for the present Government but I would like to put my views as briefly as I can. The profligate spending of the last Socialist Government, or "Labour" as it calls itself, for some unknown reason, left this country in a very difficult financial position. The International Monetary Fund had refused to lend it any more money because of the extravagant way in which it was spent and the Socialists had to impose a freeze on spending which affected education and other services very severely. It has cost practically all the revenue from North Sea oil to pay the interest on that debt and pay off some of the blank cheques left behind when they were put out of office in 1979. Under their Minister of Education, none other than Mrs Shirley Williams who was then a Socialist, we suffered equally from shortages of books and materials at a time when schools were full. She was too busy trying to impose comprehensive education on all and sundry to bother about such mundane things. The present Government has put things back into perspective. You just cannot go on spending other people's money for ever, soaking the "rich" - who are usually not Labour supporters - to give to those they consider are the "poor" - who are usually good Labour party members, otherwise they do not exist - forever. What happens when there are no more "rich"? I bought a 48K Spectrum last July after a long wait until I could afford one, as I wanted to assess its capabilities as a teaching machine, which I found to be limitless. I also wanted to keep one step ahead of the little horrors I teach and to be able to hold my own in discussions. As I find it a pleasant relief from work and politics, I did not welcome the intrusion of this in your otherwise excellent magazine. I shall, of course, continue to read it, despite all. I cannot afford many things just now, like a daisywheel printer to go with my Tasword II and replace my 30-year-old typewriter; I shall buy one when I can afford it. The Government would dearly love to issue each school with two dozen computers and keep them up to date but there is the debt to pay and all manner of pressure groups demanding their share of public funds which are only just beginning to exist again." We move in circles.
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Socialists have very selective memories.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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Letter to 'Sinclair User' June 1984: "AS A TEACHER and a Conservative supporter, I take exception to some of the remarks made in your April article, No Time For Complacency. I cannot speak for the present Government but I would like to put my views as briefly as I can. The profligate spending of the last Socialist Government, or "Labour" as it calls itself, for some unknown reason, left this country in a very difficult financial position. The International Monetary Fund had refused to lend it any more money because of the extravagant way in which it was spent and the Socialists had to impose a freeze on spending which affected education and other services very severely. It has cost practically all the revenue from North Sea oil to pay the interest on that debt and pay off some of the blank cheques left behind when they were put out of office in 1979. Under their Minister of Education, none other than Mrs Shirley Williams who was then a Socialist, we suffered equally from shortages of books and materials at a time when schools were full. She was too busy trying to impose comprehensive education on all and sundry to bother about such mundane things. The present Government has put things back into perspective. You just cannot go on spending other people's money for ever, soaking the "rich" - who are usually not Labour supporters - to give to those they consider are the "poor" - who are usually good Labour party members, otherwise they do not exist - forever. What happens when there are no more "rich"? I bought a 48K Spectrum last July after a long wait until I could afford one, as I wanted to assess its capabilities as a teaching machine, which I found to be limitless. I also wanted to keep one step ahead of the little horrors I teach and to be able to hold my own in discussions. As I find it a pleasant relief from work and politics, I did not welcome the intrusion of this in your otherwise excellent magazine. I shall, of course, continue to read it, despite all. I cannot afford many things just now, like a daisywheel printer to go with my Tasword II and replace my 30-year-old typewriter; I shall buy one when I can afford it. The Government would dearly love to issue each school with two dozen computers and keep them up to date but there is the debt to pay and all manner of pressure groups demanding their share of public funds which are only just beginning to exist again." We move in circles.
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Socialists have very selective memories.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
How appropriate. You fight like a cow!
I must be having a thick day cos I don't get it.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
How appropriate. You fight like a cow!
I must be having a thick day cos I don't get it.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
It's a response to an insult in a classic computergame, "The Secret of Monkey Island". Just didn't like your representation of a socialist. Of course, in the game, I'd loose the fight at this moment, since the response isn't related to the insult.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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It's a response to an insult in a classic computergame, "The Secret of Monkey Island". Just didn't like your representation of a socialist. Of course, in the game, I'd loose the fight at this moment, since the response isn't related to the insult.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
Never played games so that was wasted on me. In any case, it wasn't an insult, it was an observation: socialists seem quite adept at putting out of their minds what happened the last time they held power and simply repeat the same mistakes. Again, an observation.r
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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Never played games so that was wasted on me. In any case, it wasn't an insult, it was an observation: socialists seem quite adept at putting out of their minds what happened the last time they held power and simply repeat the same mistakes. Again, an observation.r
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
mark merrens wrote:
In any case, it wasn't an insult, it was an observation
It's a subjective observation, not a definition. My mistake, as a (trying to be) social person, I felt insulted.
mark merrens wrote:
socialists seem quite adept at putting out of their minds what happened the last time they held power and simply repeat the same mistakes
Ah. Implies that any other than a socialist would not have, does it not? Which country, and which mistakes?
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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mark merrens wrote:
In any case, it wasn't an insult, it was an observation
It's a subjective observation, not a definition. My mistake, as a (trying to be) social person, I felt insulted.
mark merrens wrote:
socialists seem quite adept at putting out of their minds what happened the last time they held power and simply repeat the same mistakes
Ah. Implies that any other than a socialist would not have, does it not? Which country, and which mistakes?
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
It's a subjective observation, not a definition.
No, it's objective. Socialists take power: they raise taxes and spend even more than they raise and blame everything on the previous government. Public finally figures out they've been had and votes in a non-socialist type of government which has to spend all of its time fixing what the socialists did, making them unpopular. Stupid public votes back in the socialists who do exactly the same thing again. Seen it too many times to consider it a subjective observation. (And I'm not saying the other end of the spectrum is any better but that wasn't under discussion).
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Implies that any other than a socialist would not have, does it not?
No, see above.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
It's a subjective observation, not a definition.
No, it's objective. Socialists take power: they raise taxes and spend even more than they raise and blame everything on the previous government. Public finally figures out they've been had and votes in a non-socialist type of government which has to spend all of its time fixing what the socialists did, making them unpopular. Stupid public votes back in the socialists who do exactly the same thing again. Seen it too many times to consider it a subjective observation. (And I'm not saying the other end of the spectrum is any better but that wasn't under discussion).
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Implies that any other than a socialist would not have, does it not?
No, see above.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
mark merrens wrote:
No, it's objective. Socialists take power: they raise taxes
Uhuh.. I'm Catholic. Preach to me about objective.
mark merrens wrote:
Seen it too many times to consider it a subjective observation.
The word "socialist" is a flammable subject in some parts, equal to the word "communist". Do not confuse an ideology with a (local) political party.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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mark merrens wrote:
No, it's objective. Socialists take power: they raise taxes
Uhuh.. I'm Catholic. Preach to me about objective.
mark merrens wrote:
Seen it too many times to consider it a subjective observation.
The word "socialist" is a flammable subject in some parts, equal to the word "communist". Do not confuse an ideology with a (local) political party.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
I'm Catholic
Nobody's perfect.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
The word "socialist" is a flammable subject in some parts, equal to the word "communist". Do not confuse an ideology with a (local) political party
I don't though, quite often, the line between communism and socialism appears quite blurred.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
I'm Catholic
Nobody's perfect.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
The word "socialist" is a flammable subject in some parts, equal to the word "communist". Do not confuse an ideology with a (local) political party
I don't though, quite often, the line between communism and socialism appears quite blurred.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
mark merrens wrote:
Nobody's perfect.
Everyone is - or did you find any bugs in the people surrounding you?
mark merrens wrote:
I don't though, quite often, the line between communism and socialism appears quite blurred.
The difference would (among other things) incorporate who "owns" your children - you, or the state? Blurred is a good description for the current state of affairs.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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mark merrens wrote:
Nobody's perfect.
Everyone is - or did you find any bugs in the people surrounding you?
mark merrens wrote:
I don't though, quite often, the line between communism and socialism appears quite blurred.
The difference would (among other things) incorporate who "owns" your children - you, or the state? Blurred is a good description for the current state of affairs.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
The difference would (among other things) incorporate who "owns" your children - you, or the state?
That, effectively, is the same as saying who owns you. The left govern the people, the right govern the country.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
The difference would (among other things) incorporate who "owns" your children - you, or the state?
That, effectively, is the same as saying who owns you. The left govern the people, the right govern the country.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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Letter to 'Sinclair User' June 1984: "AS A TEACHER and a Conservative supporter, I take exception to some of the remarks made in your April article, No Time For Complacency. I cannot speak for the present Government but I would like to put my views as briefly as I can. The profligate spending of the last Socialist Government, or "Labour" as it calls itself, for some unknown reason, left this country in a very difficult financial position. The International Monetary Fund had refused to lend it any more money because of the extravagant way in which it was spent and the Socialists had to impose a freeze on spending which affected education and other services very severely. It has cost practically all the revenue from North Sea oil to pay the interest on that debt and pay off some of the blank cheques left behind when they were put out of office in 1979. Under their Minister of Education, none other than Mrs Shirley Williams who was then a Socialist, we suffered equally from shortages of books and materials at a time when schools were full. She was too busy trying to impose comprehensive education on all and sundry to bother about such mundane things. The present Government has put things back into perspective. You just cannot go on spending other people's money for ever, soaking the "rich" - who are usually not Labour supporters - to give to those they consider are the "poor" - who are usually good Labour party members, otherwise they do not exist - forever. What happens when there are no more "rich"? I bought a 48K Spectrum last July after a long wait until I could afford one, as I wanted to assess its capabilities as a teaching machine, which I found to be limitless. I also wanted to keep one step ahead of the little horrors I teach and to be able to hold my own in discussions. As I find it a pleasant relief from work and politics, I did not welcome the intrusion of this in your otherwise excellent magazine. I shall, of course, continue to read it, despite all. I cannot afford many things just now, like a daisywheel printer to go with my Tasword II and replace my 30-year-old typewriter; I shall buy one when I can afford it. The Government would dearly love to issue each school with two dozen computers and keep them up to date but there is the debt to pay and all manner of pressure groups demanding their share of public funds which are only just beginning to exist again." We move in circles.
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Plus ce change. However anyone thinking we're in the same situation again should consider that we actually still have a Socialist government. By that I don't just mean that the current 'Conservative' government is actually increasing spending ( which it is although on nothing useful ) and borrowing but that we are now being governed largely by the EU. It produces > 70% of our legislation by page count and controls > 40% of policy areas covering considerably more than £100,000,000,000 ( 100 billion ) of annual expenditure. For example our elected government has no more influence over its own environmental policy than Greenpeace, in fact probably less, as it's an example of a full EU 'competancy'. In other words the EU have 100% control of all environmental legislation and policy. (Every time the BBC announce something environmental as 'government' policy they're lying and they know they are) The EU's faux democratic 'parliament' is majority Socialist controlled with the head of the dominant Socialist block being a previously convicted Red Brigade terrorist who spent a long stretch in prison for blowing people up in the name of Communism. The unelected Commisson which is where all the power is in the EU is the plaything of its own bureaucrats who have a long standing apparently Socialist agenda determined mostly by their majority selection from a very narrow elite of French civil servants who in no way see themselves as servants to anyone. However if you are a hard core right wing Thatcherite social Darwinian then do not despair for the EUSSR like the USSR after which so much of it is modelled is a mystery wrapped in an enigma wrapped in a lie. Behind all the Socialist facade and all the petty bureacrats working so hard for the false dream of an international Socialist utopia is a deeper darker truth. At its core the EU is in fact much more like a Faschist organisation than a Socialist one. The only body that can actually recommend laws directly to the Commission is not a government or a convention but a cabal of top business leaders called the European Roundtable of Industrialists (ERT) and the whole 'European Project' as its called was originally sponsored by the neo-feudalist New York banking tycoons who control the US Federal reserve. Such greed worshipping anti-human arch manipulators who could never reasonably be mistaken for Socialists. The 'Euro' currency itself which was designed by the 'Club of Rome', a think tank dominated by international arms dealers and tools of the banking elite, and then p
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Never played games so that was wasted on me. In any case, it wasn't an insult, it was an observation: socialists seem quite adept at putting out of their minds what happened the last time they held power and simply repeat the same mistakes. Again, an observation.r
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
mark merrens wrote:
In any case, it wasn't an insult, it was an observation: socialists seem quite adept at putting out of their minds what happened the last time they held power and simply repeat the same mistakes. Again, an observation.
Just an observation...many humans do that. And the ones that don't become absolutely focused on one single event that occurred in the past and ignore everything else that has happened since then.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
It's a subjective observation, not a definition.
No, it's objective. Socialists take power: they raise taxes and spend even more than they raise and blame everything on the previous government. Public finally figures out they've been had and votes in a non-socialist type of government which has to spend all of its time fixing what the socialists did, making them unpopular. Stupid public votes back in the socialists who do exactly the same thing again. Seen it too many times to consider it a subjective observation. (And I'm not saying the other end of the spectrum is any better but that wasn't under discussion).
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Implies that any other than a socialist would not have, does it not?
No, see above.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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Bob Dole
The internet is a great way to get on the net.
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mark merrens wrote:
In any case, it wasn't an insult, it was an observation: socialists seem quite adept at putting out of their minds what happened the last time they held power and simply repeat the same mistakes. Again, an observation.
Just an observation...many humans do that. And the ones that don't become absolutely focused on one single event that occurred in the past and ignore everything else that has happened since then.
jschell wrote:
Just an observation...many humans do that.
Are you inferring that you are not human?
jschell wrote:
And the ones that don't become absolutely focused on one single event that occurred in the past and ignore everything else that has happened since then.
LOL: not a single event: I've lived through a number of "Labour" (for which read socialist and, sometimes, closet communist) governments and, without fail, they do the same thing each and every time even after promising they won't: tax and spend.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me