I Kid You Not!
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The Department of Homeland Security is preparing for the coming financial collapse and the civil unrest that follows. They are going to attempt an outright confiscation once the civil unrest heats up. It wont be safe in cities and suburban areas. Just wait till food shortages / price increases really take hold. You will be risking your life trying to get food from walmart. As we saw with the LAPD shooting up innocent civilians as a result of one rouge cop, imagine the mass killings law enforcement officials will partake in.
Henize wrote:
As we saw with the LAPD shooting up innocent civilians as a result of one rouge cop...
What did a red police man have to do with this?
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As anyone who has been reading my posts recently knows, there is a critical shortage of ammunition in the US right now, along with a complete lack of reloading components in most popular calibers. The cause of this is - according to industry representatives - that the Obama administration has directed Homeland Security to buy up everything available for the next five years. I've even heard that police departments have had to curtail practice shooting because they can't buy ammo. Obviously, no one official is going to mention it to the press, and the press isn't interested in broadcasting the facts, but we have been effectively disarmed by the US government, without anyone having to ban anything. How long this can last before it becomes public knowledge is anyone's guess, but I had to laugh yesterday. I stopped by one of our local gun shops to see if one of the two guns I want to buy had become available yet (neither has) and was surprised to see two Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department patrol cars in the parking lot. Now, Las Vegas is a gun friendly place; after all, the mob likes guns, and they spent millions constructing an entire park devoted to shooting sports. The two cops left the store carrying a pair of matching hunting bows, along with a good supply of arrows! :laugh: :laugh: I asked them if things are really that bad, and one just shook his head and said, "you wouldn't believe..." :sigh: I can't express how much safer I feel, knowing that the cops have no bullets, no spare ammo to practice with, and as a bonus I can't even buy bullets to protect myself. Thanks to one of my favorite people here, I now have enough rounds of .243 to get through an emergency, and to reload eventually, since brass is also unavailable. I ordered primers a week ago, and a charge was applied to my card, but yesterday the charge was reversed and when I checked the supplier's website, it reported the item as Out of Stock; I have no idea whether I'll get the primers or not. I ordered bullets - the lead and copper part, not the loaded stuff - two weeks ago, but haven't heard anything about them shipping anytime this decade. I located one pound of powder - Reloader 15 - which is acceptable for the .243 round - and bought it, but haven't had much luck finding any more. Although I've had 6 different gun sellers searching for either of two items I want to buy, and none of them can locate, I went ahead and placed an order for one of them with an online dealer. This one charges a non-refundable $25 "Per-Order" fee, an
Roger Wright wrote:
that the Obama administration has directed Homeland Security to buy up everything available for the next five years.
That is going to be one shitload of ammo, are you confident it is not just other gun nuts (US seems to have a shitload of them too) hoarding and therefore causing the lack of supply. Seems to me a stockpile of such magnitude by the overlords would stand out like dogs balls and the media would be screaming from the roof tops.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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Roger Wright wrote:
that the Obama administration has directed Homeland Security to buy up everything available for the next five years.
That is going to be one shitload of ammo, are you confident it is not just other gun nuts (US seems to have a shitload of them too) hoarding and therefore causing the lack of supply. Seems to me a stockpile of such magnitude by the overlords would stand out like dogs balls and the media would be screaming from the roof tops.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
The cost alone should start some screaming. A very quick (and unscientific) check shows pistol ammo is about 50c per round @ 1000 off, so that's going to add up very, very quickly. I would suspect a combination of gun-nut hoarding and profiteering by the manufacturers / retailers would be more likely myself.
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As anyone who has been reading my posts recently knows, there is a critical shortage of ammunition in the US right now, along with a complete lack of reloading components in most popular calibers. The cause of this is - according to industry representatives - that the Obama administration has directed Homeland Security to buy up everything available for the next five years. I've even heard that police departments have had to curtail practice shooting because they can't buy ammo. Obviously, no one official is going to mention it to the press, and the press isn't interested in broadcasting the facts, but we have been effectively disarmed by the US government, without anyone having to ban anything. How long this can last before it becomes public knowledge is anyone's guess, but I had to laugh yesterday. I stopped by one of our local gun shops to see if one of the two guns I want to buy had become available yet (neither has) and was surprised to see two Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department patrol cars in the parking lot. Now, Las Vegas is a gun friendly place; after all, the mob likes guns, and they spent millions constructing an entire park devoted to shooting sports. The two cops left the store carrying a pair of matching hunting bows, along with a good supply of arrows! :laugh: :laugh: I asked them if things are really that bad, and one just shook his head and said, "you wouldn't believe..." :sigh: I can't express how much safer I feel, knowing that the cops have no bullets, no spare ammo to practice with, and as a bonus I can't even buy bullets to protect myself. Thanks to one of my favorite people here, I now have enough rounds of .243 to get through an emergency, and to reload eventually, since brass is also unavailable. I ordered primers a week ago, and a charge was applied to my card, but yesterday the charge was reversed and when I checked the supplier's website, it reported the item as Out of Stock; I have no idea whether I'll get the primers or not. I ordered bullets - the lead and copper part, not the loaded stuff - two weeks ago, but haven't heard anything about them shipping anytime this decade. I located one pound of powder - Reloader 15 - which is acceptable for the .243 round - and bought it, but haven't had much luck finding any more. Although I've had 6 different gun sellers searching for either of two items I want to buy, and none of them can locate, I went ahead and placed an order for one of them with an online dealer. This one charges a non-refundable $25 "Per-Order" fee, an
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The primer is the bit that goes "bang!" when the hammer falls, and it sends out a small plume of hot flame to ignite the explosive powder contained in the cartridge behind the bullet which is supposed to move forward in the general direction of the object that was targeted by the person who pulled the trigger to start the whole process. Without primers, there is no ammunition.
Will Rogers never met me.
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That would be a very bad idea. The laws for guns and ammunition in Mexico are strict (compared to the US), so in order to acquire any of that, you will have to seek out "shady" individuals, which will put you in an extremely dangerous situation :^) . Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
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That would be a very bad idea. The laws for guns and ammunition in Mexico are strict (compared to the US), so in order to acquire any of that, you will have to seek out "shady" individuals, which will put you in an extremely dangerous situation :^) . Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
SoMad wrote:
put you in an extremely dangerous situation
Except he will of course be fully "tooled up" and capable of responding in kind... ;)
If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.
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That would be a very bad idea. The laws for guns and ammunition in Mexico are strict (compared to the US), so in order to acquire any of that, you will have to seek out "shady" individuals, which will put you in an extremely dangerous situation :^) . Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
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In El Paso that used to be quite normal, but even back then not without trustworthy connections. And yes, even here we sometimes hear about how things have escalated on the other side of the Rio Grande.
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even here we sometimes hear about how things have escalated on the other side of the Rio Grande
Yes, I know. I have family and friends in Denmark that worry about me spending as much time in Mexico as I do. I am nowhere near Ciudad Juarez, but I do drive through Tijuana on a regular basis. Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
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even here we sometimes hear about how things have escalated on the other side of the Rio Grande
Yes, I know. I have family and friends in Denmark that worry about me spending as much time in Mexico as I do. I am nowhere near Ciudad Juarez, but I do drive through Tijuana on a regular basis. Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
Ciudad Juarez? That's a place full of very friendly Mexicans and with many great places to buy junk. At least if you ask my mother. She used to hop into her Plymouth Fury III and drive there about once a week. :) Ok, that was in 1978, but even then she almost completely overlooked the uglier parts. Or maybe she did not want to see them.
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I don't think it is a common thing to do, but reloading is a nice hobby, and it allows a shooter to build ammunition which responds exactly as expected.
Will Rogers never met me.
Agreed. The shooting range I sometimes went to in a dusty suburb of Johannesburg, called Boksburg, had all the reloading gear. I saved most of my cases except for those which had annoying dents in them when they were ejected. We'd clean them up using special cleaners and buy grains of propellant and bullets from the club's supplies. With all the bits to hand we'd spend a a couple of hours reloading the cases. Sometimes we'd experiment by overloading the propellant and using the bullets in 9mm guns confiscated by the police. We'd fire those in a special room using a drawstring to pull the trigger. Once in a while our police commandant let some shootists experiment with OTT reloads just to see how far you could push the gun before it wrecked itself. I don't recall too many successes there but some of the guys in my unit thoroughly enjoyed trying it. For me, reloading was about scale of economies and understanding how you did it and how to do it safely.
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Roger Wright wrote:
that the Obama administration has directed Homeland Security to buy up everything available for the next five years.
That is going to be one shitload of ammo, are you confident it is not just other gun nuts (US seems to have a shitload of them too) hoarding and therefore causing the lack of supply. Seems to me a stockpile of such magnitude by the overlords would stand out like dogs balls and the media would be screaming from the roof tops.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
No. There have been multiple stories published in recent months showing ridiculously huge quantities of ammo being bought by government agencies*. Many of which aren't the sort that need those quantities. The paranoid thought was that the government was preparing to take care of those pesky Obama opponents. The more reasonable thought was that the government was doing exactly what has happened. A minor unintended consequence: it's nearly impossible to find ball ammo (regular bullets - good for target shooting, varmints, etc.), but hollow point ammo is still out there (at nearly $1/round). Hollow point is really only good for blowing largish holes in people. Then again, maybe the quanitities they've ordered aren't unreasonable.
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As anyone who has been reading my posts recently knows, there is a critical shortage of ammunition in the US right now, along with a complete lack of reloading components in most popular calibers. The cause of this is - according to industry representatives - that the Obama administration has directed Homeland Security to buy up everything available for the next five years. I've even heard that police departments have had to curtail practice shooting because they can't buy ammo. Obviously, no one official is going to mention it to the press, and the press isn't interested in broadcasting the facts, but we have been effectively disarmed by the US government, without anyone having to ban anything. How long this can last before it becomes public knowledge is anyone's guess, but I had to laugh yesterday. I stopped by one of our local gun shops to see if one of the two guns I want to buy had become available yet (neither has) and was surprised to see two Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department patrol cars in the parking lot. Now, Las Vegas is a gun friendly place; after all, the mob likes guns, and they spent millions constructing an entire park devoted to shooting sports. The two cops left the store carrying a pair of matching hunting bows, along with a good supply of arrows! :laugh: :laugh: I asked them if things are really that bad, and one just shook his head and said, "you wouldn't believe..." :sigh: I can't express how much safer I feel, knowing that the cops have no bullets, no spare ammo to practice with, and as a bonus I can't even buy bullets to protect myself. Thanks to one of my favorite people here, I now have enough rounds of .243 to get through an emergency, and to reload eventually, since brass is also unavailable. I ordered primers a week ago, and a charge was applied to my card, but yesterday the charge was reversed and when I checked the supplier's website, it reported the item as Out of Stock; I have no idea whether I'll get the primers or not. I ordered bullets - the lead and copper part, not the loaded stuff - two weeks ago, but haven't heard anything about them shipping anytime this decade. I located one pound of powder - Reloader 15 - which is acceptable for the .243 round - and bought it, but haven't had much luck finding any more. Although I've had 6 different gun sellers searching for either of two items I want to buy, and none of them can locate, I went ahead and placed an order for one of them with an online dealer. This one charges a non-refundable $25 "Per-Order" fee, an
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I completely forgot about those, and I used to have one! Time to order another, perhaps, since they are quite fun to build. :-D
Will Rogers never met me.
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Henize wrote:
As we saw with the LAPD shooting up innocent civilians as a result of one rouge cop...
What did a red police man have to do with this?
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
:laugh: :laugh:
Will Rogers never met me.
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So you are attempting to make your own bullets, and some of the components are unavailable? That's interesting. The other night, I was telling my friend "a random person online said there is an ammo shortage," and I mentioned that maybe it was because of recent law changes and people buying up as much as they could (just in case). He responded by saying that the US is unique in that making bullets is allowed, so no big deal. However, it sounds like you're saying that making bullets is also impossible right now. That doesn't sound good. :~
No, it's not good. Especially when I think back over the years and remember all the brass I just picked up a tossed in the trash. Grrr...:mad: Bullets can be cast by hand, of course, but the nice, copper-plated sold by professional manufacturers are so much easier on the gun, since they don't clog up the rifling with lead particles. I suppose powder could be made, too, but the government already keeps a close watch on who orders the chemicals to make it - nitric acid, in particular. Since it's a starting point for nearly all modern explosives, ordering any quantity of that is a red flag - and rightfully so. As much as I value my right to have guns, I really don't fancy the neighbors brewing up quarts of nitroglycerin on weekends.
Will Rogers never met me.
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I have been hearing about this for several months now. A series of US government departments, Homeland Security is just the latest, buying up 5-15 years worth of their normal ammo consumption in one go. I gather ATF cornered the market in one form of armour piercing round back last summer, enough to take out the entire population of United States twice. The orders to do this must be coming from somewhere and I doubt it's anyone as low down the food chain as Obama. Would be very interesting to find out.
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I'm no fan of Obama, but I really doubt that he's personally involved in this. It sounds more like the actions of some bureaucrat taking matters into his/her own hands.
Will Rogers never met me.
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Roger Wright wrote:
that the Obama administration has directed Homeland Security to buy up everything available for the next five years.
That is going to be one shitload of ammo, are you confident it is not just other gun nuts (US seems to have a shitload of them too) hoarding and therefore causing the lack of supply. Seems to me a stockpile of such magnitude by the overlords would stand out like dogs balls and the media would be screaming from the roof tops.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
I quite certain that a part of this shortage is due to hoarding; some would buy everything in sight the first time they had trouble buying a few rounds of .22 long rifle. But a shortage of this magnitude and duration isn't likely to be caused by a few gun nuts. It takes a lot of money, for one thing, and it's not just the calibers the feds want to ban, either.
Will Rogers never met me.
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Ooooh, very bad idea. Yes, they have drug lords running amok with all sorts of nasty weapons, but law abiding citizens aren't permitted any such luxury. Only criminals and cops are allowed to carry guns down there, and it's not always easy to draw a line between them.
Will Rogers never met me.
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I completely forgot about those, and I used to have one! Time to order another, perhaps, since they are quite fun to build. :-D
Will Rogers never met me.
