New Alphabet
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How is this supposed to be universal? I can't even spell most Dutch words with this shit. There's a whole bunch of vowels missing.
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Backers of a universal alphabet say it will make pronunciation easy and foster international understanding. But can phonetic spelling systems really smooth the path to world peace?
This iz sɘpowzd tu bii ɘ betɘr wey tu spel. waat duu yuu think? SaypU[^]
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Backers of a universal alphabet say it will make pronunciation easy and foster international understanding. But can phonetic spelling systems really smooth the path to world peace?
This iz sɘpowzd tu bii ɘ betɘr wey tu spel. waat duu yuu think? SaypU[^]
Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol
Nah - that website said there was no spelling for the word "pub", so it'll never catch over here in the UK.
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Why would one put a comma in there? It is a co-ordinating conjunction, and I detest the Oxford Comma. I am not an American, and nor am I a journalist, so the comma is both alien and redundant.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
the comma is both alien and redundant.
The coma how ever is a regular Saturday visitor.
Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol
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The Americans spent fifty years trying to "simplify" the English language (which is quite understandable, given that the number of native-English speakers in the country was a distinct minority), and all they achieved was to make their version of the language look silly and childish -- but every bit as complex. The Chinese were more successful at introducing Simplified Chinese, but China has always had absolute rulers, who could make absolute decisions. All we'll get with attempts to "simplify" English is decades of arguments between people who have conflicting personal preferences, ending (as it did in North America) with compromises and extended arguments that result in it being ever more complicated and difficult to teach. Look at it this way: If there were an absolute ruler over programming syntax, it would take him two minutes to decide whether or not braces should be on a new line, and then pronounce an edict that everyone has to follow. ... But we don't have such an absolute ruler, so what do we have instead...?
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
it would take him two minutes to decide whether or not braces should be on a new line,
Hopefully he would already know that they should.
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
it would take him two minutes to decide whether or not braces should be on a new line,
Hopefully he would already know that they should.
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Oh yes they should! :-D
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Backers of a universal alphabet say it will make pronunciation easy and foster international understanding. But can phonetic spelling systems really smooth the path to world peace?
This iz sɘpowzd tu bii ɘ betɘr wey tu spel. waat duu yuu think? SaypU[^]
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Bunch of crap. Even the examples on the BBC article aren't correct, and if you try to read any of them you don't get the same as the actual word! There are missing sounds, even for English. I.e. the 'u' sound for 'put' is there but it's the same letter as used in 'cook', which isn't the same sound. 'Top' as a long vowel, WTE? The choice of diglyph for vowel sounds is deliberately bizarre. 'Aw' for the sound in 'out' in particular; is 'aw' ever pronounced that way in an existing English word? 'Ay' for 'like' is also a strange choice; though it's used like that in 'Bayern' I can't think of an English word that does, and 'layk' is surely a spelling for 'lake'. And then there's the old question of what you phoeneticise on. In English, 'ass' and 'arse' are completely different words and would be spelt differently; in American they are indistinguishable, as the short and long A sounds have merged. Words like 'grass' rhyme with one of them in the north and the other in the south. Do you hear the H in words like where, whist and whether?
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Why would one put a comma in there? It is a co-ordinating conjunction, and I detest the Oxford Comma. I am not an American, and nor am I a journalist, so the comma is both alien and redundant.
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^]
Dalek Dave wrote:
Why would one put a comma in there? It is a co-ordinating conjunction
"It" is never used as a co-ordinating conjunction, and nor is a comma. The word "and" may be used as a co-ordinating conjunction between co-ordinate clauses, but, when used so, should be preceded by a comma. However, the function of the word "and" at the tail end of a list is not that of a co-ordinating conjunction (because there are no co-ordinate clauses to co-ordinate), which may be why some people came to believe that it did not require the comma.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
the comma is both alien and redundant.
The coma how ever is a regular Saturday visitor.
Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol
Sometimes arriving up to an hour before Saturday.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Backers of a universal alphabet say it will make pronunciation easy and foster international understanding. But can phonetic spelling systems really smooth the path to world peace?
This iz sɘpowzd tu bii ɘ betɘr wey tu spel. waat duu yuu think? SaypU[^]
Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol
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Backers of a universal alphabet say it will make pronunciation easy and foster international understanding. But can phonetic spelling systems really smooth the path to world peace?
This iz sɘpowzd tu bii ɘ betɘr wey tu spel. waat duu yuu think? SaypU[^]
Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol
So a universal phonetic spelling, eh? As long as it's phonetic in an Australian accent I'm all for it.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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Backers of a universal alphabet say it will make pronunciation easy and foster international understanding. But can phonetic spelling systems really smooth the path to world peace?
This iz sɘpowzd tu bii ɘ betɘr wey tu spel. waat duu yuu think? SaypU[^]
Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol
Languages are fluid and constantly change. The reality is that many words were once pronounced exactly as you see them. Likewise, a phonetic spelling system would become obsolete within years. (For more interesting stuff, look up "The Great Vowel Shift".)
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
it would take him two minutes to decide whether or not braces should be on a new line,
Hopefully he would already know that they should.
Yet has nothing to do with syntax.
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Backers of a universal alphabet say it will make pronunciation easy and foster international understanding. But can phonetic spelling systems really smooth the path to world peace?
This iz sɘpowzd tu bii ɘ betɘr wey tu spel. waat duu yuu think? SaypU[^]
Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol
You can't enforce unnatural rules on natural language.
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Backers of a universal alphabet say it will make pronunciation easy and foster international understanding. But can phonetic spelling systems really smooth the path to world peace?
This iz sɘpowzd tu bii ɘ betɘr wey tu spel. waat duu yuu think? SaypU[^]
Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol
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Nagy Vilmos wrote:
and foster international understanding.
Yeah right. But apparently it will have no impact on learning history... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto[^]
Old joke: Europe English The European Commission has just announced an agreement whereby English will be the official language of the EU rather than German which was the other possibility. As part of the negotiations, Her Majesty's Government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a five year phase-in plan that would be known as "Euro-English". In the first year, "s" will replace the soft "c". Sertainly, this will make the sivil servants jump with joy. The hard "c" will be dropped in favour of the "k". This should klear up konfusion and keyboards kan have 1 less letter. There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year, when the troublesome "ph" will be replaced with "f". This will make words like "fotograf" 20% shorter. In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be ekspekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible. Governments will enkorage the removal of double letters, which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horible mes of the silent "e"s in the language is disgraseful, and they should go away. By the fourth year, peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th" with "z" and "w" with "v". During ze fifz year, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining "ou" and similar changes vud of kors be aplid to ozer kombinations of leters. After zis fifz yer, ve vil hav a reli sensibl riten styl. Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi to understand ech ozer. Ze drem vil finali kum tru! And zen world!
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Why would one put a comma in there? It is a co-ordinating conjunction
"It" is never used as a co-ordinating conjunction, and nor is a comma. The word "and" may be used as a co-ordinating conjunction between co-ordinate clauses, but, when used so, should be preceded by a comma. However, the function of the word "and" at the tail end of a list is not that of a co-ordinating conjunction (because there are no co-ordinate clauses to co-ordinate), which may be why some people came to believe that it did not require the comma.
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The word "and" may be used as a co-ordinating conjunction between co-ordinate clauses, but, when used so, shouldmay be preceded by a comma.
FTFY - if you speak the Queen's English and not any Johnny Foreigner dialect such as Damn Yankee (AKA American English).
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Oh yes they should! :-D
Oh no they... hang on... Yes, they should! I agree, concur, etc.
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