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    I was just contacted by a home user who wanted to know if she could access a Silverlight application from home on her Macintosh computer. I told her to give it a try. A few minutes later she sent me a very nice email just pleased as she could be that she didn't have to make the trip into work to complete a tiny 10 minute chore before leaving for vacation. It was a wonderful warm & fuzzy moment. Yesterday I had a user all excited about the fact that they can sort a data grid by two or more columns by holding the shift key. Magic that works right out of the box. No other applications that we have are able to work that tiny miracle so easily. With Silverlight I have the means to quickly deliver an identical experience to people across a wide variety of platforms - my customers like it and I as a developer enjoy the environment. I guess with all that success there is no better time for Microsoft to abandon the technology and chase after the steaming pile of bullshit that is the HTML stack. Hell, I love the idea of learning a dozen different languages and technologies just so I can deliver a crappy, inconsistent product to my customers. Yeah, that's a winning plan. I so look forward to the standards being finalized in 8 more years.... that's progress. PRO TIP FOR MICROSOFT: Vision isn't following other's lead. Vision is often recognizing that you've the winning hand right NOW and simply going with it. Retards. And yes, I know I've posted similar rants before. It still makes me mad though.

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      I was just contacted by a home user who wanted to know if she could access a Silverlight application from home on her Macintosh computer. I told her to give it a try. A few minutes later she sent me a very nice email just pleased as she could be that she didn't have to make the trip into work to complete a tiny 10 minute chore before leaving for vacation. It was a wonderful warm & fuzzy moment. Yesterday I had a user all excited about the fact that they can sort a data grid by two or more columns by holding the shift key. Magic that works right out of the box. No other applications that we have are able to work that tiny miracle so easily. With Silverlight I have the means to quickly deliver an identical experience to people across a wide variety of platforms - my customers like it and I as a developer enjoy the environment. I guess with all that success there is no better time for Microsoft to abandon the technology and chase after the steaming pile of bullshit that is the HTML stack. Hell, I love the idea of learning a dozen different languages and technologies just so I can deliver a crappy, inconsistent product to my customers. Yeah, that's a winning plan. I so look forward to the standards being finalized in 8 more years.... that's progress. PRO TIP FOR MICROSOFT: Vision isn't following other's lead. Vision is often recognizing that you've the winning hand right NOW and simply going with it. Retards. And yes, I know I've posted similar rants before. It still makes me mad though.

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      Espen Harlinn
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      You'll probably like the intro:THE UNFORGIVING[^] :-O

      Espen Harlinn Principal Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services AS Projects promoting programming in "natural language" are intrinsically doomed to fail. Edsger W.Dijkstra

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        You'll probably like the intro:THE UNFORGIVING[^] :-O

        Espen Harlinn Principal Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services AS Projects promoting programming in "natural language" are intrinsically doomed to fail. Edsger W.Dijkstra

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        :laugh:

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          I was just contacted by a home user who wanted to know if she could access a Silverlight application from home on her Macintosh computer. I told her to give it a try. A few minutes later she sent me a very nice email just pleased as she could be that she didn't have to make the trip into work to complete a tiny 10 minute chore before leaving for vacation. It was a wonderful warm & fuzzy moment. Yesterday I had a user all excited about the fact that they can sort a data grid by two or more columns by holding the shift key. Magic that works right out of the box. No other applications that we have are able to work that tiny miracle so easily. With Silverlight I have the means to quickly deliver an identical experience to people across a wide variety of platforms - my customers like it and I as a developer enjoy the environment. I guess with all that success there is no better time for Microsoft to abandon the technology and chase after the steaming pile of bullshit that is the HTML stack. Hell, I love the idea of learning a dozen different languages and technologies just so I can deliver a crappy, inconsistent product to my customers. Yeah, that's a winning plan. I so look forward to the standards being finalized in 8 more years.... that's progress. PRO TIP FOR MICROSOFT: Vision isn't following other's lead. Vision is often recognizing that you've the winning hand right NOW and simply going with it. Retards. And yes, I know I've posted similar rants before. It still makes me mad though.

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          Well... I just found out that Visual Studio 2012 has no Setup Project template integrated...:doh: Your possibilities are: Install a commercial product or search for any other possibility to install something... Why the f*** did they drop the visual studio installer project?? for any simple project I made it provided everything I needed and was easy to use...

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            Well... I just found out that Visual Studio 2012 has no Setup Project template integrated...:doh: Your possibilities are: Install a commercial product or search for any other possibility to install something... Why the f*** did they drop the visual studio installer project?? for any simple project I made it provided everything I needed and was easy to use...

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            WiX[^]?

            Bob Dole

            The internet is a great way to get on the net.

            :doh: 2.0.82.7292 SP6a

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              WiX[^]?

              Bob Dole

              The internet is a great way to get on the net.

              :doh: 2.0.82.7292 SP6a

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              xcopy[^]?

              Espen Harlinn Principal Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services AS Projects promoting programming in "natural language" are intrinsically doomed to fail. Edsger W.Dijkstra

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                Well... I just found out that Visual Studio 2012 has no Setup Project template integrated...:doh: Your possibilities are: Install a commercial product or search for any other possibility to install something... Why the f*** did they drop the visual studio installer project?? for any simple project I made it provided everything I needed and was easy to use...

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                They outsourced the installer to WiX. This move has been in the planning since roughly 2006 from what I can tell.

                I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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                  Well... I just found out that Visual Studio 2012 has no Setup Project template integrated...:doh: Your possibilities are: Install a commercial product or search for any other possibility to install something... Why the f*** did they drop the visual studio installer project?? for any simple project I made it provided everything I needed and was easy to use...

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                  Dave Kreskowiak
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                  They dropped it because it was a piece of crap that was better handled by other FREE products.

                  A guide to posting questions on CodeProject[^]
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                    I was just contacted by a home user who wanted to know if she could access a Silverlight application from home on her Macintosh computer. I told her to give it a try. A few minutes later she sent me a very nice email just pleased as she could be that she didn't have to make the trip into work to complete a tiny 10 minute chore before leaving for vacation. It was a wonderful warm & fuzzy moment. Yesterday I had a user all excited about the fact that they can sort a data grid by two or more columns by holding the shift key. Magic that works right out of the box. No other applications that we have are able to work that tiny miracle so easily. With Silverlight I have the means to quickly deliver an identical experience to people across a wide variety of platforms - my customers like it and I as a developer enjoy the environment. I guess with all that success there is no better time for Microsoft to abandon the technology and chase after the steaming pile of bullshit that is the HTML stack. Hell, I love the idea of learning a dozen different languages and technologies just so I can deliver a crappy, inconsistent product to my customers. Yeah, that's a winning plan. I so look forward to the standards being finalized in 8 more years.... that's progress. PRO TIP FOR MICROSOFT: Vision isn't following other's lead. Vision is often recognizing that you've the winning hand right NOW and simply going with it. Retards. And yes, I know I've posted similar rants before. It still makes me mad though.

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                    I have only one copy of Visual Studio left on my computers. Once the things I have to finish up are done, this copy will also be going to East Hyperspace. They wanted to make certain that we all follow their great ideas, instead they assured that I forget about them as quickly as possible. Even if they realize what went wrong at some point, I still don't trust them anymore. They will do it all over again at the next opportunity. Just stop giving your money to Mickeysoft and look for someone who does not treat you like a fool.

                    Sent from my BatComputer via HAL 9000 and M5

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                      WiX[^]?

                      Bob Dole

                      The internet is a great way to get on the net.

                      :doh: 2.0.82.7292 SP6a

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                      Nicholas Marty
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                      Hm. Do you know how I can create a SetupProject for an Office 2013 addin using WiX?? :) (Somehow the AddIn Project won't show up in the Add Reference Dialog of the WiX Setup Project)

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                        I was just contacted by a home user who wanted to know if she could access a Silverlight application from home on her Macintosh computer. I told her to give it a try. A few minutes later she sent me a very nice email just pleased as she could be that she didn't have to make the trip into work to complete a tiny 10 minute chore before leaving for vacation. It was a wonderful warm & fuzzy moment. Yesterday I had a user all excited about the fact that they can sort a data grid by two or more columns by holding the shift key. Magic that works right out of the box. No other applications that we have are able to work that tiny miracle so easily. With Silverlight I have the means to quickly deliver an identical experience to people across a wide variety of platforms - my customers like it and I as a developer enjoy the environment. I guess with all that success there is no better time for Microsoft to abandon the technology and chase after the steaming pile of bullshit that is the HTML stack. Hell, I love the idea of learning a dozen different languages and technologies just so I can deliver a crappy, inconsistent product to my customers. Yeah, that's a winning plan. I so look forward to the standards being finalized in 8 more years.... that's progress. PRO TIP FOR MICROSOFT: Vision isn't following other's lead. Vision is often recognizing that you've the winning hand right NOW and simply going with it. Retards. And yes, I know I've posted similar rants before. It still makes me mad though.

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                        Don't worry, you can still develop Silverlight, it won't be desupported for a long, long time.

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                          I have only one copy of Visual Studio left on my computers. Once the things I have to finish up are done, this copy will also be going to East Hyperspace. They wanted to make certain that we all follow their great ideas, instead they assured that I forget about them as quickly as possible. Even if they realize what went wrong at some point, I still don't trust them anymore. They will do it all over again at the next opportunity. Just stop giving your money to Mickeysoft and look for someone who does not treat you like a fool.

                          Sent from my BatComputer via HAL 9000 and M5

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                          Pualee
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                          So, what direction are you taking now?

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                            They outsourced the installer to WiX. This move has been in the planning since roughly 2006 from what I can tell.

                            I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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                            Marco Bertschi
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                            So that's why they had something going on with InstallShield LE?

                            cheers Marco Bertschi


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                              So, what direction are you taking now?

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                              C++, Linux and Apache for the code that runs on the server.

                              Sent from my BatComputer via HAL 9000 and M5

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                                So that's why they had something going on with InstallShield LE?

                                cheers Marco Bertschi


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                                The LE means Look Elsewhere.

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                                  The LE means Look Elsewhere.

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                                  :laugh: :laugh:

                                  cheers Marco Bertschi


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                                    You'll probably like the intro:THE UNFORGIVING[^] :-O

                                    Espen Harlinn Principal Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services AS Projects promoting programming in "natural language" are intrinsically doomed to fail. Edsger W.Dijkstra

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                                    Wanna guess what album was playing into my headphones when I opened that link? :thumbsup:

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                                      Wanna guess what album was playing into my headphones when I opened that link? :thumbsup:

                                      If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.

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                                      Ah, a true connoisseur :-D

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                                        Hm. Do you know how I can create a SetupProject for an Office 2013 addin using WiX?? :) (Somehow the AddIn Project won't show up in the Add Reference Dialog of the WiX Setup Project)

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                                        Add Project Reference?

                                        Bob Dole

                                        The internet is a great way to get on the net.

                                        :doh: 2.0.82.7292 SP6a

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                                          I was just contacted by a home user who wanted to know if she could access a Silverlight application from home on her Macintosh computer. I told her to give it a try. A few minutes later she sent me a very nice email just pleased as she could be that she didn't have to make the trip into work to complete a tiny 10 minute chore before leaving for vacation. It was a wonderful warm & fuzzy moment. Yesterday I had a user all excited about the fact that they can sort a data grid by two or more columns by holding the shift key. Magic that works right out of the box. No other applications that we have are able to work that tiny miracle so easily. With Silverlight I have the means to quickly deliver an identical experience to people across a wide variety of platforms - my customers like it and I as a developer enjoy the environment. I guess with all that success there is no better time for Microsoft to abandon the technology and chase after the steaming pile of bullshit that is the HTML stack. Hell, I love the idea of learning a dozen different languages and technologies just so I can deliver a crappy, inconsistent product to my customers. Yeah, that's a winning plan. I so look forward to the standards being finalized in 8 more years.... that's progress. PRO TIP FOR MICROSOFT: Vision isn't following other's lead. Vision is often recognizing that you've the winning hand right NOW and simply going with it. Retards. And yes, I know I've posted similar rants before. It still makes me mad though.

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                                          Dave Calkins
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                                          Which is why when you hear about that new fad technology being the "new way of doing things from now on" you just keep in mind that it only applies until that too is dropped and forgotten for the next new fad :) Take it for what its worth and use it while its there I guess. Silverlight always did seem like a really solid approach, I think your frustration is valid, but apparently there was some sort of conflict internally wrt Silverlight vs. HTML so the dropping of Silverlight might be more political fallout than anything else (at least thats what I read somewhere... it MUST be true!). It sure can give you a new appreciation for writing good old C++/MFC code which continues to be supported and updated. Whats odd about the WinRT/HTML thing is that the whole metro layer seems to be a limited focus thing not a new way to create all applications. i.e., sure if you want to make a touch app with very minimal UI and put it on the app store it might be a great solution. But in general for applications requiring more detailed user interaction, its just not something that makes sense to switch to. I've been running Win8 for awhile now on the laptop and I don't think I ever use the start screen or any metro apps. Not that they're not nice, just that its not going to be a replacement more like something which augments normal applications. For example, just try using the WinRT metro PDF reader app. Once you do that once, you'll immediately install and run the regular desktop reader application at least I did :)

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