Why Android development sucks today
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Intel has created an x86 hardware accelerated AVD, Google is distributing the needed binaries via the standard distribution channel along side their arm emulator and has good documentation[^] on how to set it up. But the x86 AVD only targets pure Android without any Google apps. As a result it's useless for testing my app without a tedious set of manual hoops[^] to jump through for each app I need to add.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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Intel has created an x86 hardware accelerated AVD, Google is distributing the needed binaries via the standard distribution channel along side their arm emulator and has good documentation[^] on how to set it up. But the x86 AVD only targets pure Android without any Google apps. As a result it's useless for testing my app without a tedious set of manual hoops[^] to jump through for each app I need to add.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
This type of half arsed "development" tool that Google make for Android is one of the reasons I gave up trying to get any of it to with with an equally bad IDE (Eclipse) that they basically insist you use.
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This type of half arsed "development" tool that Google make for Android is one of the reasons I gave up trying to get any of it to with with an equally bad IDE (Eclipse) that they basically insist you use.
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I came across this somewhere last week: vs-android: Developing for Android in Visual Studio[^] I haven't had a chance to try it yet, but I know what you mean. If you are used to VS, then Eclipse is a bit...well...cr@p. That may help to explain why I have had an adroid tablet fro a couple of months and have written none of the software I was going to for it yet...or even started learning java. :sigh:
If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.
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I came across this somewhere last week: vs-android: Developing for Android in Visual Studio[^] I haven't had a chance to try it yet, but I know what you mean. If you are used to VS, then Eclipse is a bit...well...cr@p. That may help to explain why I have had an adroid tablet fro a couple of months and have written none of the software I was going to for it yet...or even started learning java. :sigh:
If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.
Visual Studio is really quite good compared to the competition... Probably best thing to come out of MS.
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I came across this somewhere last week: vs-android: Developing for Android in Visual Studio[^] I haven't had a chance to try it yet, but I know what you mean. If you are used to VS, then Eclipse is a bit...well...cr@p. That may help to explain why I have had an adroid tablet fro a couple of months and have written none of the software I was going to for it yet...or even started learning java. :sigh:
If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.
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OriginalGriff wrote:
or even started learning java.
You sir, wash your brain out with soap; it's clearly infected.
Look at me still talking when there's science to do When I look out there it makes me glad I'm not you
David Kentley wrote:
it's clearly infected.
I've known that for years! :laugh: It seems to be the only way to do it, if you don't want to pay for a licence for mono-droid / Xamarin every year. Hold up a second...Xamarin now do a "starter" edition which is free, deploys to the device and is limited to 32K of IL. That's pretty small (especially for compiled) but it could be enough for "home" apps.
If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.
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Intel has created an x86 hardware accelerated AVD, Google is distributing the needed binaries via the standard distribution channel along side their arm emulator and has good documentation[^] on how to set it up. But the x86 AVD only targets pure Android without any Google apps. As a result it's useless for testing my app without a tedious set of manual hoops[^] to jump through for each app I need to add.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
Maybe it's just the difference between the two emulators, but in the last four years of Android development using Eclipse, I've not encountered any issues (other than minor hiccups that were of my own doing).
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This type of half arsed "development" tool that Google make for Android is one of the reasons I gave up trying to get any of it to with with an equally bad IDE (Eclipse) that they basically insist you use.
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I actually like Eclipse, but that could be a result of it being the first IDE I ever used... :doh: Also, Eclipse takes up a fraction of the disk space that VS does. :thumbsup: Also also, this type of half arsed "English" is one of the reasons that people may not read your post.
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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Visual Studio is really quite good compared to the competition... Probably best thing to come out of MS.
This gave me a nice big chuckle considering the amount of whining that I read in The Lounge every day about Visual Studio... :doh:
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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I came across this somewhere last week: vs-android: Developing for Android in Visual Studio[^] I haven't had a chance to try it yet, but I know what you mean. If you are used to VS, then Eclipse is a bit...well...cr@p. That may help to explain why I have had an adroid tablet fro a couple of months and have written none of the software I was going to for it yet...or even started learning java. :sigh:
If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.
OriginalGriff wrote:
then Eclipse is a bit...well...cr@p ... even started learning java
How do you know that Eclipse is crap if you don't even know Java, the language that it is primarily used for...? :doh:
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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Maybe it's just the difference between the two emulators, but in the last four years of Android development using Eclipse, I've not encountered any issues (other than minor hiccups that were of my own doing).
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"Show me a community that obeys the Ten Commandments and I'll show you a less crowded prison system." - Anonymous
While I admit I haven't done a ton of Android development, after you get over the initial hump of setting everything up (which isn't that hard given all the documentation that Google provides), it seems pretty simple.
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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David Kentley wrote:
it's clearly infected.
I've known that for years! :laugh: It seems to be the only way to do it, if you don't want to pay for a licence for mono-droid / Xamarin every year. Hold up a second...Xamarin now do a "starter" edition which is free, deploys to the device and is limited to 32K of IL. That's pretty small (especially for compiled) but it could be enough for "home" apps.
If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.
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I came across this somewhere last week: vs-android: Developing for Android in Visual Studio[^] I haven't had a chance to try it yet, but I know what you mean. If you are used to VS, then Eclipse is a bit...well...cr@p. That may help to explain why I have had an adroid tablet fro a couple of months and have written none of the software I was going to for it yet...or even started learning java. :sigh:
If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.
I spent a year testing MonoDroid (I'm a beta tester), then finally switched to Eclipse and the real thing. I've got Eclipse to look somewhat like VS and am very pleased with testing directly on a device. Fast as hell and debugging is actually fun. Note, I was a HUGE fan of MonoDroid but decided I don't want to be a couple of revs behind and can't afford to wait 10 minutes for the emu to spin up. Also, the price of Google's new ADT (one-stop-shop .zip for Eclipse + all tools) is hard to beat compared to that of Xamarin. And XStudio didn't turn out to be what I expected. Trust me, you'll like Eclipse once you get it to look like VS a bit. /ravi
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I actually like Eclipse, but that could be a result of it being the first IDE I ever used... :doh: Also, Eclipse takes up a fraction of the disk space that VS does. :thumbsup: Also also, this type of half arsed "English" is one of the reasons that people may not read your post.
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
Colin Mullikin wrote:
Also also, this type of half arsed "English" is one of the reasons that people may not read your post.
I'm sorry, what? I do not believe I was writing in incorrect English.
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Intel has created an x86 hardware accelerated AVD, Google is distributing the needed binaries via the standard distribution channel along side their arm emulator and has good documentation[^] on how to set it up. But the x86 AVD only targets pure Android without any Google apps. As a result it's useless for testing my app without a tedious set of manual hoops[^] to jump through for each app I need to add.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
I'm not patient enough to deal with the emulators, I just one of the various Android devices floating around the house, much less hassle. Of course, that means I can only test on 3 different versions of Android: 2.something, 4.0, and 4.2, but I've only made apps for my personal use so far so it's not an issue.
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OriginalGriff wrote:
then Eclipse is a bit...well...cr@p ... even started learning java
How do you know that Eclipse is crap if you don't even know Java, the language that it is primarily used for...? :doh:
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
I installed it to have it ready for learning the language: [^] That was fun...
If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.
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Colin Mullikin wrote:
Also also, this type of half arsed "English" is one of the reasons that people may not read your post.
I'm sorry, what? I do not believe I was writing in incorrect English.
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Lloyd Atkinson wrote:
This type of half arsed "development" tool that Google make for Android ... I gave up trying to get any of it to with with an equally bad IDE
1. I believe the verb tense of make is incorrect. 2. When I initially read it, I couldn't make any sense of what you were saying until I realized that you meant "work with".
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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Lloyd Atkinson wrote:
This type of half arsed "development" tool that Google make for Android ... I gave up trying to get any of it to with with an equally bad IDE
1. I believe the verb tense of make is incorrect. 2. When I initially read it, I couldn't make any sense of what you were saying until I realized that you meant "work with".
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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I'm not patient enough to deal with the emulators, I just one of the various Android devices floating around the house, much less hassle. Of course, that means I can only test on 3 different versions of Android: 2.something, 4.0, and 4.2, but I've only made apps for my personal use so far so it's not an issue.
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I think the term your looking for is "Slowulator". I've seen the Android emulators taking 10 minutes to boot up even on an Intel i5 based system.
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Yeah, I've seen it. The professor for the Android class I took last semester managed to get around 20 Android tablets for students who didn't have an Android device because the emulator was basically unusable on the school's computers (and they were new computers too, just not high-end).
