America's poorest kids
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Last night Auntie showed a documentary on Beeb 2 called America's poorest kids. It reported on the lives of three families from the perspective of the young children facing endless homelessness, poverty, and the queues for food banks. One family of three and their pet dog were moved into a motel room and they'd fill the sink with ice to keep what fresh food and milk they had reasonably fresh as there wasn't a mini fridge or anything else. Another family were sheltered in a very worn-down house and they had no furniture and the kids bunked down on the floor. What I found startling was that this could happen in the world's so-called super power and economy and millions of yanks are dependent on food banks and the number is expected to keep growing. It was absolutely heart-wrenching to watch and to see those young kids still able to laugh and play and express their hopes for the future kicked any problems I've been through way into touch. :)
If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.
Still, at least the US can still afford to hand money over abroad to people who hate the US
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So poor and with a hopeless future, but still deciding to breed. It is sad for the children, and yes I feel genuinely sorry for them, but I am aghast at the thoughtlessness of the parents. Why bring a child into this world for it to suffer hunger and poverty? If you cannot provide for your children why have them? It is a fact that poverty breeds poverty, you cannot breed your way out. This is the problem seen in any parts of the world where the religious nutters encourage people to breed. We should be educating the poor to limit family size, not breed themselves into starvation, and whether this is the plains of Africa, or the streets of Detroit, the principle holds true.
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What you're saying is true, but you're missing the point. The OP is wondering how there can be such poverty and hunger in a country which can spend a TRILLION (yes, trillion) dollars on unjustified wars, and hundreds of billions more every year to maintain it's super-power status. Poor people having many children are definitely careless, but blaming them for having just 1 or 2 children because they're poor is unjustified. The government should provide at least the basic level of food and shelter for people who weren't lucky enough to get a decent education and head start in life.
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The first Comic Relief my local pub raised £5. For the second, I stupidly said "If you raise £200 you can shave my head" The landlord chipped in the last £15 with an evil smile... :doh: And the following Friday the band was stopped, and chair was fetched, and the deed was done. One colleague at work didn't talk to me for three months because he didn't know who I was!
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One colleague at work didn't talk to me for three months because he didn't know who I was!
heh - I could only do that by growing hair - aint gonna happen
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So poor and with a hopeless future, but still deciding to breed. It is sad for the children, and yes I feel genuinely sorry for them, but I am aghast at the thoughtlessness of the parents. Why bring a child into this world for it to suffer hunger and poverty? If you cannot provide for your children why have them? It is a fact that poverty breeds poverty, you cannot breed your way out. This is the problem seen in any parts of the world where the religious nutters encourage people to breed. We should be educating the poor to limit family size, not breed themselves into starvation, and whether this is the plains of Africa, or the streets of Detroit, the principle holds true.
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^]
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Did you watch Utopia[^] recently? I'm sure you'd have found common ground with the 'baddies'. Their solution made perfect sense after all.
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Since that came out I am now called Raisin Boy or Arby in the office as I look the spit of him.
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No, but I'm hoping that if they call me it long enough they will think I am him and then extra pay-rises and stuff won't be a problem.
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Yeah probably but I do really need to get off this site for good and actually do my job as my output improves ten-fold when I don't have an account. But everytime I successfully kill my account or forget my password I end up getting drunk and wanting to talk Cricket in GIT and create another account.
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What you're saying is true, but you're missing the point. The OP is wondering how there can be such poverty and hunger in a country which can spend a TRILLION (yes, trillion) dollars on unjustified wars, and hundreds of billions more every year to maintain it's super-power status. Poor people having many children are definitely careless, but blaming them for having just 1 or 2 children because they're poor is unjustified. The government should provide at least the basic level of food and shelter for people who weren't lucky enough to get a decent education and head start in life.
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The thing I didn't mention was while poverty of that nature is to be found in every country, no matter how rich it might be, it was the scale of it in the US that surprised me. Perhaps every family in the world should be means tested? Then, if a family has a high risk of unemployment or whose income falls below a certain threshold then all women in the family group should be sterilised thus preventing further breeding. In a few generations only multi-millionaries would be left. I see a flaw; who'd then pick their crops, clear their garbage, clean their blocked sewers, recycle their tin cans, clean their Ferrari and Rolls-Royces? :rolleyes:
If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.
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Last night Auntie showed a documentary on Beeb 2 called America's poorest kids. It reported on the lives of three families from the perspective of the young children facing endless homelessness, poverty, and the queues for food banks. One family of three and their pet dog were moved into a motel room and they'd fill the sink with ice to keep what fresh food and milk they had reasonably fresh as there wasn't a mini fridge or anything else. Another family were sheltered in a very worn-down house and they had no furniture and the kids bunked down on the floor. What I found startling was that this could happen in the world's so-called super power and economy and millions of yanks are dependent on food banks and the number is expected to keep growing. It was absolutely heart-wrenching to watch and to see those young kids still able to laugh and play and express their hopes for the future kicked any problems I've been through way into touch. :)
If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.
There are several agencies that were created to "fix" the problem. They do not. We have people that are third and forth generation on the dole. They have kids because they get more money for each. The government builds housing for people then the people wreck it and the government rebuilds. In the thirty plus years I have been working the government as rebuilt the housing three times. I mean the raise the site and start over. Then you have the families like were presented in the documentary. If the agencies did there job, these people would have a home.
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The first Comic Relief my local pub raised £5. For the second, I stupidly said "If you raise £200 you can shave my head" The landlord chipped in the last £15 with an evil smile... :doh: And the following Friday the band was stopped, and chair was fetched, and the deed was done. One colleague at work didn't talk to me for three months because he didn't know who I was!
If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.
I had my hair chopped for comic releif also. As I had not been cut for at least 6 years I went from being able to sit on it to bald in one go. It was soooo much easier to look after. I also raised a large sum :D AI am in the process of growing it back again at the moment (mid life crisis and all that)
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Last night Auntie showed a documentary on Beeb 2 called America's poorest kids. It reported on the lives of three families from the perspective of the young children facing endless homelessness, poverty, and the queues for food banks. One family of three and their pet dog were moved into a motel room and they'd fill the sink with ice to keep what fresh food and milk they had reasonably fresh as there wasn't a mini fridge or anything else. Another family were sheltered in a very worn-down house and they had no furniture and the kids bunked down on the floor. What I found startling was that this could happen in the world's so-called super power and economy and millions of yanks are dependent on food banks and the number is expected to keep growing. It was absolutely heart-wrenching to watch and to see those young kids still able to laugh and play and express their hopes for the future kicked any problems I've been through way into touch. :)
If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.
PHS241 wrote:
to see those young kids still able to laugh and play and express their hopes for the future
I did see some of that program last night, and yes this too really came across. I keep thinking that anyone who moans or think the state is not doing enough to feed their coke habit etc should be sat down, forced to watch this and then taken outside and shot. It should be mandatory viewing for all school kids as a bit of realization that the latest branded trainers or console game (or whatever they are demanding and parents wont give them)is not an automatic right, and is something that must be earned.
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I had my hair chopped for comic releif also. As I had not been cut for at least 6 years I went from being able to sit on it to bald in one go. It was soooo much easier to look after. I also raised a large sum :D AI am in the process of growing it back again at the moment (mid life crisis and all that)
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It was soooo much easier to look after
I know what you mean - I just kept going with the towel in the morning and did the whole head. I think I kept it fuzzy-short for a couple of years before Herself decided it was too much work and growing it out into a pony again.
If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.
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Last night Auntie showed a documentary on Beeb 2 called America's poorest kids. It reported on the lives of three families from the perspective of the young children facing endless homelessness, poverty, and the queues for food banks. One family of three and their pet dog were moved into a motel room and they'd fill the sink with ice to keep what fresh food and milk they had reasonably fresh as there wasn't a mini fridge or anything else. Another family were sheltered in a very worn-down house and they had no furniture and the kids bunked down on the floor. What I found startling was that this could happen in the world's so-called super power and economy and millions of yanks are dependent on food banks and the number is expected to keep growing. It was absolutely heart-wrenching to watch and to see those young kids still able to laugh and play and express their hopes for the future kicked any problems I've been through way into touch. :)
If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.
Here's[^] a startling chart (from here). There are more people on food stamps in the US than the entire population of Argentina. Or, from this page[^]: 15 million children die of hunger each year. In this age of iPads, gigabit Internet access, YouTube, Facebook, etc., still 50% of the world lives in poverty. WTF. Marc
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Last night Auntie showed a documentary on Beeb 2 called America's poorest kids. It reported on the lives of three families from the perspective of the young children facing endless homelessness, poverty, and the queues for food banks. One family of three and their pet dog were moved into a motel room and they'd fill the sink with ice to keep what fresh food and milk they had reasonably fresh as there wasn't a mini fridge or anything else. Another family were sheltered in a very worn-down house and they had no furniture and the kids bunked down on the floor. What I found startling was that this could happen in the world's so-called super power and economy and millions of yanks are dependent on food banks and the number is expected to keep growing. It was absolutely heart-wrenching to watch and to see those young kids still able to laugh and play and express their hopes for the future kicked any problems I've been through way into touch. :)
If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.
We here in America seem to be able to help everyone else in the world but our own suffer and it's getting worse. The homeless, unemployed and disabled list is growing while the leader takes multi-million dollar golf trips and lavish vacations.
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Here's[^] a startling chart (from here). There are more people on food stamps in the US than the entire population of Argentina. Or, from this page[^]: 15 million children die of hunger each year. In this age of iPads, gigabit Internet access, YouTube, Facebook, etc., still 50% of the world lives in poverty. WTF. Marc
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So poor and with a hopeless future, but still deciding to breed. It is sad for the children, and yes I feel genuinely sorry for them, but I am aghast at the thoughtlessness of the parents. Why bring a child into this world for it to suffer hunger and poverty? If you cannot provide for your children why have them? It is a fact that poverty breeds poverty, you cannot breed your way out. This is the problem seen in any parts of the world where the religious nutters encourage people to breed. We should be educating the poor to limit family size, not breed themselves into starvation, and whether this is the plains of Africa, or the streets of Detroit, the principle holds true.
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^]
Dalek Dave wrote:
or the streets of Detroit
Hey now, that's my home town you're smashing. And deservedly so. Around here, the kids are "made" for two reasons, both of which are rooted in stupid selfishness. 1) They're on welfare and having another kids raises the size of the check you get. So, once you get that check, you go blow it on drugs and cars. That's a smaller problem now that the state doesn't issue checks, but Bridge Cards. It's kind of like a debit card, but can only be used to buy certain things, like food and medicines. But, you're also not allowed to buy just food you want. It has to be on a list approved by the state of Michigan. Still, there are cracks in the system and there are plenty of people who will get around the limitations and buy anything they want with the cards, given the right person on the other side of the cash register. 2) Hump and dump. Some nieve teenage girl get played and believes every word coming out of some playas mouth. She gets pregnant and at the first mention of the "P" word, he's gone. She ends up on welfare and yet another fatherless child in the city of Detroit. It's a HUGE problem here. 70% of the kids born in Detroit are born to single mothers. In 1997, Detroit lead the nation in the percantage of kids born to single mothers. I don't know if that's still true, but we are still in the top of that list. There's a report called "Kids Count" that details all that stuff.
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Last night Auntie showed a documentary on Beeb 2 called America's poorest kids. It reported on the lives of three families from the perspective of the young children facing endless homelessness, poverty, and the queues for food banks. One family of three and their pet dog were moved into a motel room and they'd fill the sink with ice to keep what fresh food and milk they had reasonably fresh as there wasn't a mini fridge or anything else. Another family were sheltered in a very worn-down house and they had no furniture and the kids bunked down on the floor. What I found startling was that this could happen in the world's so-called super power and economy and millions of yanks are dependent on food banks and the number is expected to keep growing. It was absolutely heart-wrenching to watch and to see those young kids still able to laugh and play and express their hopes for the future kicked any problems I've been through way into touch. :)
If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.
PHS241 wrote:
What I found startling was that this could happen in the world's so-called super power and economy and millions of yanks are dependent on food banks and the number is expected to keep growing.
For those of you who don't live here let me let you in on some secrets: * The roads are not literally paved with gold. Some of the cooler parts do have cobblestones, but they're bumpier. * Just living in a powerful country does not mean you get a lot of money by showing up. See: every other powerful country in history. * There has been a conscious effort by a very vocal minority to relax or change regulations and rearrange the tax code with the goal being to pour more money into the richest 2% of the population at the expense of everyone else. This strategy has been working since the Reagan administration, and is accelerating. * The last time we had a budget surplus - at the end of the Clinton administration 13 years ago - the government mailed checks to everyone in the country. $750 I think we got? The economy collapsed shortly thereafter, the surplus wasted on what was essentially a PR stunt. Not causation, but all part of the same bubble that EVERYONE knew was going to burst. Because they always do. See: every other economic boom in history. If you have a magic bullet to pull these poor kids out of poverty, let me know. All this talk about "we give money to other countries" blah blah blah is meaningless. The amounts we're talking about there are drops in the bucket of what the government spends - very largely on the military, which somehow never gets mentioned as a wasteful government program, even though it is the most expensive, most wasteful "program" we have (I'm not saying get rid of it, but good god look at the numbers). The government cares more about bombers than schools, more about Wall Street than schools, more about getting re-elected than schools. And so too, it seems, does most everyone else.
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Last night Auntie showed a documentary on Beeb 2 called America's poorest kids. It reported on the lives of three families from the perspective of the young children facing endless homelessness, poverty, and the queues for food banks. One family of three and their pet dog were moved into a motel room and they'd fill the sink with ice to keep what fresh food and milk they had reasonably fresh as there wasn't a mini fridge or anything else. Another family were sheltered in a very worn-down house and they had no furniture and the kids bunked down on the floor. What I found startling was that this could happen in the world's so-called super power and economy and millions of yanks are dependent on food banks and the number is expected to keep growing. It was absolutely heart-wrenching to watch and to see those young kids still able to laugh and play and express their hopes for the future kicked any problems I've been through way into touch. :)
If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.
I don't know, fifty-percent of my income goes towards taxes. Fifty! Yet I meet people everyday with no sense of tomorrow, no care what the future brings, and willing to make selfish choices instead of the right choices. There are places in America where a person can, actually, pay rent while working full-time at a fast food place. In fact, you can have two jobs! Some even have three. And they work so hard that their children are taken care of and they slowly change their lives around them and achieve the American dream. And then their are others who choice to live in an Inner City, complain about cost of living and lack of jobs, and wonder why no one has given them the dream yet. Only slightly related, but the price of freedom is letting others make poor choices. Of course, for more perspective, how many of those American children on the docu-drama were vaccinated, didn't have access to Pre-k, Free school breakfast, free school lunch, and the under 5 crowd get WIC and Food Stamps, or how many are toting tot, sized Ak 47's? Did the documentary focus on how the parents traded all the government assistance for cash to spend on other things or just polite close-ups of an adult crying with an impassioned speech about how hard it is? I'm not a cold heartless S.O.B. but too many people just plain out lie for me to believe or have sympathy for anything I see on T.V.
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PHS241 wrote:
What I found startling was that this could happen in the world's so-called super power and economy and millions of yanks are dependent on food banks and the number is expected to keep growing.
For those of you who don't live here let me let you in on some secrets: * The roads are not literally paved with gold. Some of the cooler parts do have cobblestones, but they're bumpier. * Just living in a powerful country does not mean you get a lot of money by showing up. See: every other powerful country in history. * There has been a conscious effort by a very vocal minority to relax or change regulations and rearrange the tax code with the goal being to pour more money into the richest 2% of the population at the expense of everyone else. This strategy has been working since the Reagan administration, and is accelerating. * The last time we had a budget surplus - at the end of the Clinton administration 13 years ago - the government mailed checks to everyone in the country. $750 I think we got? The economy collapsed shortly thereafter, the surplus wasted on what was essentially a PR stunt. Not causation, but all part of the same bubble that EVERYONE knew was going to burst. Because they always do. See: every other economic boom in history. If you have a magic bullet to pull these poor kids out of poverty, let me know. All this talk about "we give money to other countries" blah blah blah is meaningless. The amounts we're talking about there are drops in the bucket of what the government spends - very largely on the military, which somehow never gets mentioned as a wasteful government program, even though it is the most expensive, most wasteful "program" we have (I'm not saying get rid of it, but good god look at the numbers). The government cares more about bombers than schools, more about Wall Street than schools, more about getting re-elected than schools. And so too, it seems, does most everyone else.
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The amounts we're talking about there are drops in the bucket of what the government spends - very largely on the military, which somehow never gets mentioned as a wasteful government program, even though it is the most expensive, most wasteful "program" we have (I'm not saying get rid of it, but good god look at the numbers).
I brought this up to a Republican coworker once... Needless to say, he was not pleased... Now he just goes on and on about entitlements. :|
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So poor and with a hopeless future, but still deciding to breed. It is sad for the children, and yes I feel genuinely sorry for them, but I am aghast at the thoughtlessness of the parents. Why bring a child into this world for it to suffer hunger and poverty? If you cannot provide for your children why have them? It is a fact that poverty breeds poverty, you cannot breed your way out. This is the problem seen in any parts of the world where the religious nutters encourage people to breed. We should be educating the poor to limit family size, not breed themselves into starvation, and whether this is the plains of Africa, or the streets of Detroit, the principle holds true.
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^]
Dalek Dave wrote:
with a hopeless future
There's no such thing.
Dalek Dave wrote:
but still deciding to breed
Happiness is about people and having people you love and who love you; it has absolutely **** all to do with your financial situation. If the kids are happy and loved, and work together through troubles, they're better placed than a lot of smug b*st*rds who have an easy life.
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