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  • N Nagy Vilmos

    I disagree. To be a practising Christian one needs to believe in God.

    Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol

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    Jorgen Andersson
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    I guess it depends on how you define practicing. I remember a guy at school that was "practicing" because it was expected by his family, he didn't actually believe. How does that count?

    "The ones who care enough to do it right care too much to compromise." Matthew Faithfull

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    • N Nagy Vilmos

      I disagree. To be a practising Christian one needs to believe in God.

      Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol

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      Rhys Gravell
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      Really? I'd have thought that to be an actual Christian you would need that belief, but if you are still just practising being one... ;P

      Rhys "If you ever start taking things too seriously, just remember that we are talking monkeys on an organic spaceship flying through the Universe"

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      • J Jorgen Andersson

        I guess it depends on how you define practicing. I remember a guy at school that was "practicing" because it was expected by his family, he didn't actually believe. How does that count?

        "The ones who care enough to do it right care too much to compromise." Matthew Faithfull

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        Pete OHanlon
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        Jörgen Andersson wrote:

        I remember a guy at school that was "practicing" because it was expected by his family, he didn't actually believe

        Then he wasn't really practicing was he? He was just going through the motions.

        I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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        • P Pete OHanlon

          Jörgen Andersson wrote:

          I remember a guy at school that was "practicing" because it was expected by his family, he didn't actually believe

          Then he wasn't really practicing was he? He was just going through the motions.

          I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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          Bassam Abdul Baki
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          So come on, come on, do the loco-motion with me. Sorry! Not sure what got over me there for a second. :sigh:

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          • N Nagy Vilmos

            I disagree. To be a practising Christian one needs to believe in God.

            Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol

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            Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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            History seems to disagree, in fact it shows you dont even need to one to be pope!

            You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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            • P Pete OHanlon

              Jörgen Andersson wrote:

              I remember a guy at school that was "practicing" because it was expected by his family, he didn't actually believe

              Then he wasn't really practicing was he? He was just going through the motions.

              I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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              Jorgen Andersson
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              Maybe I have the wrong understanding of the word practicing then. Just curious what was wrong with my message, what in that message was abusive?

              "The ones who care enough to do it right care too much to compromise." Matthew Faithfull

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              • A AspDotNetDev

                http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090304160400.htm. I suspect believers make terrible programmers.

                Thou mewling ill-breeding pignut!

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                ZurdoDev
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                I suspect believers make terrible programmers.

                How so? The article states, "They're much less anxious and feel less stressed when they have made an error." I see that as a good thing. In my experience, those who get all stressed out perform worse than those who remain calm because they can't think straight. Based on that evidence I would have to say that believers would make better programmers.

                There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                • A AspDotNetDev

                  http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090304160400.htm. I suspect believers make terrible programmers.

                  Thou mewling ill-breeding pignut!

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                  Lost User
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                  It doesn't say which God.

                  “I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks

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                  • J Jorgen Andersson

                    Maybe I have the wrong understanding of the word practicing then. Just curious what was wrong with my message, what in that message was abusive?

                    "The ones who care enough to do it right care too much to compromise." Matthew Faithfull

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                    Pete OHanlon
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                    Maybe it was the same person who voted mine abusive as well.

                    I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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                    • P Pete OHanlon

                      Maybe it was the same person who voted mine abusive as well.

                      I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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                      Jorgen Andersson
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                      Doubt it, mine was gone in one click. And I don't think it's supposed to be THAT easy to remove a message. So I guess there are more people around that has a bit more power than they are supposed to. Should I ask in sugs 'n' bugs about it you think?

                      "The ones who care enough to do it right care too much to compromise." Matthew Faithfull

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                      • J Jorgen Andersson

                        Practician does not necessarily equal believer. I also didn't find any references to whether this would affect coding in the article.

                        "The ones who care enough to do it right care too much to compromise." Matthew Faithfull

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                        SalCon
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                        Completely agree. I practise my religion because of huge peer\societal expectations (read pressure) NOT because I am a believer ( hold the Belieber jokes already).

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                        • L Lost User

                          It doesn't say which God.

                          “I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks

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                          ChrisElston wrote:

                          which God

                          Higgs Boson, the god of the scientific community.

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                          • J Jorgen Andersson

                            Doubt it, mine was gone in one click. And I don't think it's supposed to be THAT easy to remove a message. So I guess there are more people around that has a bit more power than they are supposed to. Should I ask in sugs 'n' bugs about it you think?

                            "The ones who care enough to do it right care too much to compromise." Matthew Faithfull

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                            Pete OHanlon
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                            I doubt it's worth it.

                            I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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                            • J Jorgen Andersson

                              Maybe I have the wrong understanding of the word practicing then. Just curious what was wrong with my message, what in that message was abusive?

                              "The ones who care enough to do it right care too much to compromise." Matthew Faithfull

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                              Pete OHanlon
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                              Jörgen Andersson wrote:

                              Maybe I have the wrong understanding of the word practicing then

                              Anyway, back to the point. I always took practicing Christians to mean the ones that actually believed. It's the whole concept of choice and responsibility. If you are just going because your parents go, and you have no actual belief in it yourself, then you are letting others make the choice for you. Hence, you aren't practicing - you're merely pleasing others.

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                                It doesn't say which God.

                                “I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks

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                                ZurdoDev
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                                It doesn't say which God.

                                That is an interesting point. Studies have shown that belief in any god will cause behavioral changes. In this case it does not matter. Believing in something higher than oneself that dictates a level of standards and morals has an impact on one's anxiety levels, among other things. To believe is better than to not believe, in my opinion. Of course there are radicals that don't quite follow this but they are the exception.

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                                  It doesn't say which God.

                                  That is an interesting point. Studies have shown that belief in any god will cause behavioral changes. In this case it does not matter. Believing in something higher than oneself that dictates a level of standards and morals has an impact on one's anxiety levels, among other things. To believe is better than to not believe, in my opinion. Of course there are radicals that don't quite follow this but they are the exception.

                                  There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                                  Deities and belief in them stems from man trying to explain things he couldn't. No deity has ever dictated levels of standards or morals, men claiming to act on behalf of deities have done that in order to control other men. If it doesn't matter what you believe in, as long as you pick something, then that gives anyone free range to act as they want so long as their particular deity has provided them the mandate.

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                                    Deities and belief in them stems from man trying to explain things he couldn't. No deity has ever dictated levels of standards or morals, men claiming to act on behalf of deities have done that in order to control other men. If it doesn't matter what you believe in, as long as you pick something, then that gives anyone free range to act as they want so long as their particular deity has provided them the mandate.

                                    “I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks

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                                    That's quite a cynical view and I would protest that most people that believe in God do not fit into your description. You clearly do not believe and you are biased by the radicals that make the news or your own isolated experiences.

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                                    Deities and belief in them stems from man trying to explain things he couldn't.

                                    Certain men, prophets, have claimed to talk with God. Billions and billions believe in God and it has nothing to do with trying to explain things we can't on our own. I challenge you to survey people who do believe in God and find out why. It has nothing to do with trying to fill a gap of knowledge.

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                                    No deity has ever dictated levels of standards or morals

                                    That's your opinion. I disagree.

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                                    in order to control other men.

                                    Again, quite cynical. Yes, some in history have been that way. But what benefit do I get from claiming that god says killing is wrong? How am I "trying to control other men." What's the purpose then?

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                                    then that gives anyone free range to act as they want so long as their particular deity has provided them the mandate.

                                    And how is that different than not believing in God? Where do morals come from then?

                                    There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                                      Jörgen Andersson wrote:

                                      Maybe I have the wrong understanding of the word practicing then

                                      Anyway, back to the point. I always took practicing Christians to mean the ones that actually believed. It's the whole concept of choice and responsibility. If you are just going because your parents go, and you have no actual belief in it yourself, then you are letting others make the choice for you. Hence, you aren't practicing - you're merely pleasing others.

                                      I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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                                      The word we use in Sweden would translate to exercising. Both practicing and exercising are synonyms to training. What would the word be for the ones that are "practicing" without believing? Because I know several people that considers themselves as believers but they usually don't go to church and don't think of themselves as practicing. So in my world the ones believing were called believers, and the ones going to church, practitioners.

                                      "The ones who care enough to do it right care too much to compromise." Matthew Faithfull

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                                      • J Jorgen Andersson

                                        The word we use in Sweden would translate to exercising. Both practicing and exercising are synonyms to training. What would the word be for the ones that are "practicing" without believing? Because I know several people that considers themselves as believers but they usually don't go to church and don't think of themselves as practicing. So in my world the ones believing were called believers, and the ones going to church, practitioners.

                                        "The ones who care enough to do it right care too much to compromise." Matthew Faithfull

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                                        Jörgen Andersson wrote:

                                        What would the word be for the ones that are "practicing" without believing

                                        I'd call them cowards.

                                        I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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                                        • Z ZurdoDev

                                          That's quite a cynical view and I would protest that most people that believe in God do not fit into your description. You clearly do not believe and you are biased by the radicals that make the news or your own isolated experiences.

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                                          Deities and belief in them stems from man trying to explain things he couldn't.

                                          Certain men, prophets, have claimed to talk with God. Billions and billions believe in God and it has nothing to do with trying to explain things we can't on our own. I challenge you to survey people who do believe in God and find out why. It has nothing to do with trying to fill a gap of knowledge.

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                                          No deity has ever dictated levels of standards or morals

                                          That's your opinion. I disagree.

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                                          in order to control other men.

                                          Again, quite cynical. Yes, some in history have been that way. But what benefit do I get from claiming that god says killing is wrong? How am I "trying to control other men." What's the purpose then?

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                                          then that gives anyone free range to act as they want so long as their particular deity has provided them the mandate.

                                          And how is that different than not believing in God? Where do morals come from then?

                                          There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                                          ryanb31 wrote:

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                                          Deities and belief in them stems from man trying to explain things he couldn't.

                                          Certain men, prophets, have claimed to talk with God. Billions and billions believe in God and it has nothing to do with trying to explain things we can't on our own. I challenge you to survey people who do believe in God and find out why. It has nothing to do with trying to fill a gap of knowledge.

                                          I was talking there about deities from the earliest times. Why does that thing keep happening? Must be some sort of god. If it is a bad thing, then how can we appease it. If it is a good thing then how can we keep it happy.

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                                          No deity has ever dictated levels of standards or morals

                                          That's your opinion. I disagree.

                                          Exactly, you and I disagree. Neither of us have any proof, but your belief is based on having a belief in a god and mine isn't therefore your belief is more valid in your opinion.

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                                          in order to control other men.

                                          Again, quite cynical. Yes, some in history have been that way. But what benefit do I get from claiming that god says killing is wrong? How am I "trying to control other men." What's the purpose then?

                                          I didn't know that you were the one to claim that god said it was wrong to kill. If you are trying to control a large number of people, and a large number of people who all live together then you try to eliminate that which makes controlling them difficult. Can't say I've ever been in such a situation, but I'd guess that people killing each other is probably a pita. The thou shalt not kill thing has a get out clause for war (amongst a number of other things), that is certainly convenient.

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                                          then that gives anyone free range to act as they want so long as their particular deity has provided them the mandate.

                                          And how is that different than not believing in God? Where do morals come from then?

                                          It's not, that's kind of my point. If it doesn't matter what god you believe in then believing in any specific god is the same as believing in no particular god. It is how you act

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