No more windows phone 8 development!
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I used to be a happy windows phone 7 developer, developing them on VS 2010 on windows 7, which in my humble opinion was the most fun platform to develop for (although the least profitable). I decided to upgrade to Windows 8, and after i paid the 40 dollars, I discovered you can't upgrade 32-bit windows 7 to 64-bit windows 8 . (Really Microsoft?! It's 2013 and I can't upgrade to 64-bit windows!) Anyway, i swallowed it and moved on. I downloaded the installer for VS 2012 for Windows Phone 8 development, only to be greeted with this lovely message: This product can only be installed on Windows 8 64-bit!!! So now I'm stuck with my 32-bit Windows, and I can't develop for Windows Phone 8, or Windows 8. I wonder how the conversation went at Microsoft when they were discussing this requirement: "Let's not allow users to upgrade to 64-bit windows, while requiring VS 2012 to run on 64-bit windows!!!" One less developer for Windows Phone 8.
Amr Abdel Majeed Software Developer
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I used to be a happy windows phone 7 developer, developing them on VS 2010 on windows 7, which in my humble opinion was the most fun platform to develop for (although the least profitable). I decided to upgrade to Windows 8, and after i paid the 40 dollars, I discovered you can't upgrade 32-bit windows 7 to 64-bit windows 8 . (Really Microsoft?! It's 2013 and I can't upgrade to 64-bit windows!) Anyway, i swallowed it and moved on. I downloaded the installer for VS 2012 for Windows Phone 8 development, only to be greeted with this lovely message: This product can only be installed on Windows 8 64-bit!!! So now I'm stuck with my 32-bit Windows, and I can't develop for Windows Phone 8, or Windows 8. I wonder how the conversation went at Microsoft when they were discussing this requirement: "Let's not allow users to upgrade to 64-bit windows, while requiring VS 2012 to run on 64-bit windows!!!" One less developer for Windows Phone 8.
Amr Abdel Majeed Software Developer
That's only the Express version. VS2012 runs on both 32 bit and 64 bit Windows.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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I used to be a happy windows phone 7 developer, developing them on VS 2010 on windows 7, which in my humble opinion was the most fun platform to develop for (although the least profitable). I decided to upgrade to Windows 8, and after i paid the 40 dollars, I discovered you can't upgrade 32-bit windows 7 to 64-bit windows 8 . (Really Microsoft?! It's 2013 and I can't upgrade to 64-bit windows!) Anyway, i swallowed it and moved on. I downloaded the installer for VS 2012 for Windows Phone 8 development, only to be greeted with this lovely message: This product can only be installed on Windows 8 64-bit!!! So now I'm stuck with my 32-bit Windows, and I can't develop for Windows Phone 8, or Windows 8. I wonder how the conversation went at Microsoft when they were discussing this requirement: "Let's not allow users to upgrade to 64-bit windows, while requiring VS 2012 to run on 64-bit windows!!!" One less developer for Windows Phone 8.
Amr Abdel Majeed Software Developer
If you get the media then you will get both 32 bit and 64 bit. You have to do a full install to move to 64 bit. Kind of a blessing in disguise as it forces you to clean up your disk and back it up. A warning though, the WP8 emulater requires hardward virtualization, which some older processors do not have, my Dell Inspiron 1720 for one.
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That's only the Express version. VS2012 runs on both 32 bit and 64 bit Windows.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easierThanks for the tip, but i develop Windows Apps as a hobby outside my Day job (Java Developer), paying a small fortune for VS 2012 is not an option for me!
Amr Abdel Majeed Software Developer
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If you get the media then you will get both 32 bit and 64 bit. You have to do a full install to move to 64 bit. Kind of a blessing in disguise as it forces you to clean up your disk and back it up. A warning though, the WP8 emulater requires hardward virtualization, which some older processors do not have, my Dell Inspiron 1720 for one.
So if i get Windows 8 64-bit CD from a friend and do a clean install with my product key, it will work? As i understood from a couple of links, once i used my product key on 32-bit windows, i can't use it again on a 64-bit windows. It would be great if I'm wrong though, I wanted to upgrade to 8 GB RAM. :)
Amr Abdel Majeed Software Developer
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I used to be a happy windows phone 7 developer, developing them on VS 2010 on windows 7, which in my humble opinion was the most fun platform to develop for (although the least profitable). I decided to upgrade to Windows 8, and after i paid the 40 dollars, I discovered you can't upgrade 32-bit windows 7 to 64-bit windows 8 . (Really Microsoft?! It's 2013 and I can't upgrade to 64-bit windows!) Anyway, i swallowed it and moved on. I downloaded the installer for VS 2012 for Windows Phone 8 development, only to be greeted with this lovely message: This product can only be installed on Windows 8 64-bit!!! So now I'm stuck with my 32-bit Windows, and I can't develop for Windows Phone 8, or Windows 8. I wonder how the conversation went at Microsoft when they were discussing this requirement: "Let's not allow users to upgrade to 64-bit windows, while requiring VS 2012 to run on 64-bit windows!!!" One less developer for Windows Phone 8.
Amr Abdel Majeed Software Developer
The conversation would have been more like DEV : "Well, we can upgrade from Windows 7 32-bit to Windows 8 64-bit, but it would replace all critical files and reorganize the registry and there's a possibility that users can no longer access their personal files". PRODUCT MANAGER : "Well why aren't you fixing the installer to work flawlessly then?" DEV : "Oh absolutely, but it'll take 60 days and 10 people working on it and introduce several complications in the installer. Did I also mention that it can slow down the install process that it'll remind them of Windows XP installation?" PRODUCT MANAGER : "Not gonna work, let's keep the installer as fast as it is now and anyone jumping from a 32 bit machine will have to do a complete reinstall. If a person is savvy enough to decide that they want to upgrade to a 64-bit OS, they'll probably be savvy enough to backup their files and do a clean sweep. Gives them better control anyway." Too long a reply huh? But this is the kind of dialogue that happens between my team ( the devs ) and the product team and our software is nowhere as complicated nor as big as the Windows OS. In most cases, we'll be seething with rage, but most often, the product managers get it right. It would have been cool to do that complete re-architecture, but in the end, it'll just lead to a lot of effort for very little paydirt. Although I have no good things to say about the installers they write for SQL Server or Visual Studio, I have generally had no problems the OS installers.
SG Aham Brahmasmi!
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Thanks for the tip, but i develop Windows Apps as a hobby outside my Day job (Java Developer), paying a small fortune for VS 2012 is not an option for me!
Amr Abdel Majeed Software Developer
Amr Abdel Majeed wrote:
paying a small fortune for VS 2012 is not an option for me
But buying a new machine should be. At some point you will have to move on for this very reason, as a developer you are continuously learning, why do you expect your hardware to stay current.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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If you get the media then you will get both 32 bit and 64 bit. You have to do a full install to move to 64 bit. Kind of a blessing in disguise as it forces you to clean up your disk and back it up. A warning though, the WP8 emulater requires hardward virtualization, which some older processors do not have, my Dell Inspiron 1720 for one.
My laptop has all of that (and the hardware it has actually greatly exceeds the requirements). I am actually running Windows Server 2012 in Hyper-V right now, to be used for testing websites and stuff.
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That's only the Express version. VS2012 runs on both 32 bit and 64 bit Windows.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easierbut WinPhone 8 SDK still requires 64bit to install
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That's only the Express version. VS2012 runs on both 32 bit and 64 bit Windows.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier"If you give usd a small fortune, we'll allow you to do what you should have been able to do from the get-go"?
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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So if i get Windows 8 64-bit CD from a friend and do a clean install with my product key, it will work? As i understood from a couple of links, once i used my product key on 32-bit windows, i can't use it again on a 64-bit windows. It would be great if I'm wrong though, I wanted to upgrade to 8 GB RAM. :)
Amr Abdel Majeed Software Developer
I had the same problem and can confirm, that if you borrow a DVD and choose the 64-bit version for a clean install, then you can use your product key to activate it. It is explained somewhere in the EULA, that all keys are for both 32-bit and 64-bit versions. Coincidentally my reasons to do this were the same as yours (WP8 development). Sadly my story still didn't have a happy ending, because it turned out my laptop wasn't fit to run HyperV (or whatever is required to run the new emulator), so I just gave up on it altogether.