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TFS can not be this worst than today's manifestation!

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    Vasudevan Deepak Kumar
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    Just checked in some critical changes to two files. TFS happily took the changes in one and discarded the changes in codebehind. No merge warnings. The local changes are not available too. If this is going to be the quality of Microsoft software?

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    • V Vasudevan Deepak Kumar

      Just checked in some critical changes to two files. TFS happily took the changes in one and discarded the changes in codebehind. No merge warnings. The local changes are not available too. If this is going to be the quality of Microsoft software?

      Vasudevan Deepak Kumar Personal Homepage
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      The woods are lovely, dark and deep, But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep!

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      Joe Woodbury
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      Subversion did that to me the other day. It was rather disconcerting.

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      • J Joe Woodbury

        Subversion did that to me the other day. It was rather disconcerting.

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        TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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        And Git did that to KDE's 1500 repositories the other day too. There must be something in the air...

        If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
        You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
        Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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          And Git did that to KDE's 1500 repositories the other day too. There must be something in the air...

          If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
          You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
          Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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          Lost User
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          When it comes to source code fumbling, VSS is the industry leader.

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            When it comes to source code fumbling, VSS is the industry leader.

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            TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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            so true......

            If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
            You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
            Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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            • V Vasudevan Deepak Kumar

              Just checked in some critical changes to two files. TFS happily took the changes in one and discarded the changes in codebehind. No merge warnings. The local changes are not available too. If this is going to be the quality of Microsoft software?

              Vasudevan Deepak Kumar Personal Homepage
              Tech Gossips
              The woods are lovely, dark and deep, But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep!

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              Pete OHanlon
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              I have had this happen with SVN and GIT as well. I don't hear you complaining about those.

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              • V Vasudevan Deepak Kumar

                Just checked in some critical changes to two files. TFS happily took the changes in one and discarded the changes in codebehind. No merge warnings. The local changes are not available too. If this is going to be the quality of Microsoft software?

                Vasudevan Deepak Kumar Personal Homepage
                Tech Gossips
                The woods are lovely, dark and deep, But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep!

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                Dexterus
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                Adding clearcase[^] to this. There is not one versioning system that I have worked with that could actually handle the real merges. Sorry, those go by hand.

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                  Subversion did that to me the other day. It was rather disconcerting.

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                  Vasudevan Deepak Kumar
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                  Joe Woodbury wrote:

                  Subversion

                  :confused: That has been very dependable and reliable for everyone right?

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                    Adding clearcase[^] to this. There is not one versioning system that I have worked with that could actually handle the real merges. Sorry, those go by hand.

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                    Vasudevan Deepak Kumar
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                    Dexterus wrote:

                    I have worked with that could actually handle the real merges

                    Subversion with WinMerge could do most of the things. Do not go with the default merge tool of SVN. That is poor.

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                    • V Vasudevan Deepak Kumar

                      Just checked in some critical changes to two files. TFS happily took the changes in one and discarded the changes in codebehind. No merge warnings. The local changes are not available too. If this is going to be the quality of Microsoft software?

                      Vasudevan Deepak Kumar Personal Homepage
                      Tech Gossips
                      The woods are lovely, dark and deep, But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep!

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                      Keith Barrow
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                      I used it for 5/6 years without much problem. If you want to see bad, use VSS and elect the way of pain.

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                        Adding clearcase[^] to this. There is not one versioning system that I have worked with that could actually handle the real merges. Sorry, those go by hand.

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                        Lost User
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                        Could be a bug as a result of merge issue with clearcase codebase itself, not sure what versioning tool they use :-)

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                        • V Vasudevan Deepak Kumar

                          Dexterus wrote:

                          I have worked with that could actually handle the real merges

                          Subversion with WinMerge could do most of the things. Do not go with the default merge tool of SVN. That is poor.

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                          The woods are lovely, dark and deep, But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep!

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                          Dexterus
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                          Not used this combo but if it involves WinMerge's diff algorithms, I've had diffs butchering the code, not as much as other tools though. It's my goto Windows diff tool. Good for code reviews :D

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                            Joe Woodbury wrote:

                            Subversion

                            :confused: That has been very dependable and reliable for everyone right?

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                            The woods are lovely, dark and deep, But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep!

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                            Clifford Nelson
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                            I have had more than enought issues with subversion. Currently I have file that subversion thinks needs to be added, but is already there. I have had to download clean versions several times because subversion gets confused and will not clean up. I also hate that I cannot save change sets.

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                              When it comes to source code fumbling, VSS is the industry leader.

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                              Hmm. Our group has been using Visual SourceSafe for 13 years. We now have six data bases, four major products with 2-3 branches each, a number of minor products, and a pile of departmental tools. We have never had a data loss attributable to a SourceSafe bug. Not one fucking time.

                              Software Zen: delete this;

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                                I used it for 5/6 years without much problem. If you want to see bad, use VSS and elect the way of pain.

                                Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
                                -Or-
                                A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]

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                                Gary Wheeler
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                                http://www.codeproject.com/Lounge.aspx?msg=4526843#xx4526843xx[^]

                                Software Zen: delete this;

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                                  Hmm. Our group has been using Visual SourceSafe for 13 years. We now have six data bases, four major products with 2-3 branches each, a number of minor products, and a pile of departmental tools. We have never had a data loss attributable to a SourceSafe bug. Not one fucking time.

                                  Software Zen: delete this;

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                                  TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                                  Then you've been very uniquely lucky. We've lost source code many times. And the merging is part of the issue.

                                  If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                                  You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                                  Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                                    I have had more than enought issues with subversion. Currently I have file that subversion thinks needs to be added, but is already there. I have had to download clean versions several times because subversion gets confused and will not clean up. I also hate that I cannot save change sets.

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                                    TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                                    There are versions of svn out there that have change sets.

                                    If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                                    You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                                    Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                                      Hmm. Our group has been using Visual SourceSafe for 13 years. We now have six data bases, four major products with 2-3 branches each, a number of minor products, and a pile of departmental tools. We have never had a data loss attributable to a SourceSafe bug. Not one fucking time.

                                      Software Zen: delete this;

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                                      Keith Barrow
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                                      Seeing as you linked from my post below. I visited Microsoft before TFS was available, we were still on VSS. I asked them if they used VSS, they didn't. I asked them when they last used it, none of them had used it in their time at Microsoft. It was instructive that the final version was left so long without an upgrade, or even an MS alternative in the pipeline, they'd obviously given up on it. It's been so long since I dropped it I can't remember the specifics, I do remember several occasions where I had to spend hours (one time days) cleaning up the mess due to the poor way VSS handled how it the integrity of the code after check-ins. Not bugs as such, just a crappy way of working. I also remember the sense of relief when we deprecated the system and moved to something a bit more reliable as actual source control software. I'd be interested to know if anyone here has had your experiences with it, your the first person I remember ever supporting it.

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                                        Hmm. Our group has been using Visual SourceSafe for 13 years. We now have six data bases, four major products with 2-3 branches each, a number of minor products, and a pile of departmental tools. We have never had a data loss attributable to a SourceSafe bug. Not one fucking time.

                                        Software Zen: delete this;

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                                        David Crow
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                                        Gary Wheeler wrote:

                                        Our group has been using Visual SourceSafe for 13 years...We have never had a data loss attributable to a SourceSafe bug.

                                        Same here, only one year less.

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                                        • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                                          There are versions of svn out there that have change sets.

                                          If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                                          You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                                          Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                                          Companies I have worked for obviously have not used those versions.

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