Is it easy to get the oversea jobs as a programmer ?
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The question just like the title. Is it easy to get the oversea jobs as a programmer ? I am a 5 years exps Chinese programmer, is it easy or not. It's not possible to get other country's visa here, whatever for working or studying.I have seldom heard about it. I have been dreaming to go aboard and try different calture, wilden my sight of tech or other. Everyone arround me told me that I can have a long trip to somewhere and you can undergo variable life as well.But I don't think it's same as working in other place, make money as living, durning serval years,that's totally local life.Trip is trip, new food, nice scenery, interesting tour guide, they are not what I really want even though they are extremely wonderful Could someone give me some hints ? Or Let 's talk about oversea working experience~ :)
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The question just like the title. Is it easy to get the oversea jobs as a programmer ? I am a 5 years exps Chinese programmer, is it easy or not. It's not possible to get other country's visa here, whatever for working or studying.I have seldom heard about it. I have been dreaming to go aboard and try different calture, wilden my sight of tech or other. Everyone arround me told me that I can have a long trip to somewhere and you can undergo variable life as well.But I don't think it's same as working in other place, make money as living, durning serval years,that's totally local life.Trip is trip, new food, nice scenery, interesting tour guide, they are not what I really want even though they are extremely wonderful Could someone give me some hints ? Or Let 's talk about oversea working experience~ :)
I'm not a programmer but I am working abroad and have many friends / colleagues who've done the same. I can hardly if ever remember someone regretting it, almost every one of them has enjoyed it, benefitted from it and would do it again at the drop of a hat, so from that perspective only, do it if you can. In a world that gets ever smaller international experience and cultural awareness and flexibility will be great advantages. You English seems pretty decent (and you may have other languages) and even in non-English speaking countries you'll find many professionals speak English - which is a godsend for me whilst I learn French! I don't know the IT job landscape but the general advice would be 'know what you enjoy, what you're good at, what you want to learn etc. etc.', (motivation) and then find countries with opportunities (I believe rhe UK Games industry is in better health than it has been for a while for example) and off you go. I have no idea about visas as I can't tell if you mean you cant get one to work abroad or people can't get them to work in China - for the latter I know a few people who are on assignment in China right now. Mike
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I'm not a programmer but I am working abroad and have many friends / colleagues who've done the same. I can hardly if ever remember someone regretting it, almost every one of them has enjoyed it, benefitted from it and would do it again at the drop of a hat, so from that perspective only, do it if you can. In a world that gets ever smaller international experience and cultural awareness and flexibility will be great advantages. You English seems pretty decent (and you may have other languages) and even in non-English speaking countries you'll find many professionals speak English - which is a godsend for me whilst I learn French! I don't know the IT job landscape but the general advice would be 'know what you enjoy, what you're good at, what you want to learn etc. etc.', (motivation) and then find countries with opportunities (I believe rhe UK Games industry is in better health than it has been for a while for example) and off you go. I have no idea about visas as I can't tell if you mean you cant get one to work abroad or people can't get them to work in China - for the latter I know a few people who are on assignment in China right now. Mike
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I'm not a programmer but I am working abroad and have many friends / colleagues who've done the same. I can hardly if ever remember someone regretting it, almost every one of them has enjoyed it, benefitted from it and would do it again at the drop of a hat, so from that perspective only, do it if you can. In a world that gets ever smaller international experience and cultural awareness and flexibility will be great advantages. You English seems pretty decent (and you may have other languages) and even in non-English speaking countries you'll find many professionals speak English - which is a godsend for me whilst I learn French! I don't know the IT job landscape but the general advice would be 'know what you enjoy, what you're good at, what you want to learn etc. etc.', (motivation) and then find countries with opportunities (I believe rhe UK Games industry is in better health than it has been for a while for example) and off you go. I have no idea about visas as I can't tell if you mean you cant get one to work abroad or people can't get them to work in China - for the latter I know a few people who are on assignment in China right now. Mike
Hi, Mike, It's nice to meet you. Thank you for your replying firstly.As you said, Person who I have known privated me to have a try instead hesitating. It could be a fansitic exp if I had done it. But the question is how I can step the 1st one.I posted my CV but no responsing. It might be I am lacking of patient as well. I have no idea about how I can find countries with chances.Even though everyone know that IT guys are required in almost everyhere. Anyway, thank you for the tips. cheers~
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I'm not a programmer but I am working abroad and have many friends / colleagues who've done the same. I can hardly if ever remember someone regretting it, almost every one of them has enjoyed it, benefitted from it and would do it again at the drop of a hat, so from that perspective only, do it if you can. In a world that gets ever smaller international experience and cultural awareness and flexibility will be great advantages. You English seems pretty decent (and you may have other languages) and even in non-English speaking countries you'll find many professionals speak English - which is a godsend for me whilst I learn French! I don't know the IT job landscape but the general advice would be 'know what you enjoy, what you're good at, what you want to learn etc. etc.', (motivation) and then find countries with opportunities (I believe rhe UK Games industry is in better health than it has been for a while for example) and off you go. I have no idea about visas as I can't tell if you mean you cant get one to work abroad or people can't get them to work in China - for the latter I know a few people who are on assignment in China right now. Mike
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You English seems pretty decent
Did you mean to say "Your English seems pretty decent"? [irony]
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
Come on~ I got what his meaning. Don't care too much about details~ :-D
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Come on~ I got what his meaning. Don't care too much about details~ :-D
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Oh~ :wtf: Working is working, life is life. We should be seriously in what we are working for, that's kind of responsibilities. I will not keep that in other moment. It's will make me nervous and tired if so, don't you agree with me ?
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Hi, Mike, It's nice to meet you. Thank you for your replying firstly.As you said, Person who I have known privated me to have a try instead hesitating. It could be a fansitic exp if I had done it. But the question is how I can step the 1st one.I posted my CV but no responsing. It might be I am lacking of patient as well. I have no idea about how I can find countries with chances.Even though everyone know that IT guys are required in almost everyhere. Anyway, thank you for the tips. cheers~
I'm no expert but I do have some experience dealing with visas in a foreign country, so you may find this interesting. First of all getting a visa to stay long term in a country where your motherland isn't in great terms with is always going to be tricky and time consuming. For example, Chinese passport holders used to have to be "invited" into Japan by a Japanese resident, although I believe the regulations have been relaxed to help the tourist industry. The next thing is that most countries are keen to have you over as a student (because they can charge you a lot of money for tuition) but reluctant to have you as a member of the workforce (because you diminish the chance of their nationals getting a job and you cost money when you are ill or unemployed*). You either have to have super-brilliant skills and or career or have the backing of a very big organization to enter a country to live and work straight off. If you want to fly solo, my suggestion would be to start off as a student of, say, a language school. You will have to prove that the majority of your time is taken up by studying at the said institution and you are unlikely to be able to make much earning. While you are studying, you should look up places to work. You should gather information and contacts as soon as possible, then get as close as possible to securing your employment. The most important thing you need will be the assurance that your potential employer will get you the necessary visa for you to work. Getting you the visa is extra work for the potential employer so you really need to convince them you will be a valuable work force. Also, unless you have a really good reason not to, go for a large organization that have experience in dealing with foreigners. Bigger places have enough people to do the paperwork and if they are used to foreigners they will have a better idea of what paperwork is required. After you secure your employment, you will leave the country for a couple of months and re-enter on the working visa which your employer should have got for you by then. Various countries have their own law so you will have to do your own bit of research, but based on my experience in the UK, that would be the way to go. Good luck!:thumbsup: *of course, if you are unemployed you are likely to get kicked out of the country as well so you don't cost their government.
Almost, but not quite, entirely unlike... me...
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I'm no expert but I do have some experience dealing with visas in a foreign country, so you may find this interesting. First of all getting a visa to stay long term in a country where your motherland isn't in great terms with is always going to be tricky and time consuming. For example, Chinese passport holders used to have to be "invited" into Japan by a Japanese resident, although I believe the regulations have been relaxed to help the tourist industry. The next thing is that most countries are keen to have you over as a student (because they can charge you a lot of money for tuition) but reluctant to have you as a member of the workforce (because you diminish the chance of their nationals getting a job and you cost money when you are ill or unemployed*). You either have to have super-brilliant skills and or career or have the backing of a very big organization to enter a country to live and work straight off. If you want to fly solo, my suggestion would be to start off as a student of, say, a language school. You will have to prove that the majority of your time is taken up by studying at the said institution and you are unlikely to be able to make much earning. While you are studying, you should look up places to work. You should gather information and contacts as soon as possible, then get as close as possible to securing your employment. The most important thing you need will be the assurance that your potential employer will get you the necessary visa for you to work. Getting you the visa is extra work for the potential employer so you really need to convince them you will be a valuable work force. Also, unless you have a really good reason not to, go for a large organization that have experience in dealing with foreigners. Bigger places have enough people to do the paperwork and if they are used to foreigners they will have a better idea of what paperwork is required. After you secure your employment, you will leave the country for a couple of months and re-enter on the working visa which your employer should have got for you by then. Various countries have their own law so you will have to do your own bit of research, but based on my experience in the UK, that would be the way to go. Good luck!:thumbsup: *of course, if you are unemployed you are likely to get kicked out of the country as well so you don't cost their government.
Almost, but not quite, entirely unlike... me...
Thanks for the huge tips. It's quite touching that the idea including so many details. It's really wilden my eye.Thanks again. Even though the ways of yours sounds not illegal and a little tricky as well. As you said, the first step is studying in other country whatever the methods I used in anyway, traveling, studying... And then, thinking of collecting info or something else about how I can live with, the employer, human marketing, skill requirement etc. I should come back when the visa is expired.Then the infomations I got before is very important. I can connect the employer and got the invited visa for working. It's could be a long time visa. then everything get better and the first step is completed.