Does anyone else thinks NUI is not the perfect next step for UIs ?
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Making interfaces specific could be a real problem. Imagine if you did the same thing for cars? I might want to drive using my left hand on a joystick, someone else steers with their knees etc. We cold no longer drive one another's cars! Of course, you could argue that making the drive interface entirely software driven would help with that - but then I would need to be able to change preferences instantly and have my personal interface downloaded before I could drive your car. And so it would be with any device with an interface. Suddenly I can't use the microwave without logging on first!
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_Maxxx_ wrote:
We cold no longer drive one another's cars
Dammed right, bugger off that is MY computer and if you lay your grubby mits on it I'll glue them to the wall. We already have customisation (in windows anyway) to personal taste!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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Monster Maker wrote:
World is short of ideas!
Nope, I think about a third of humanity is mentally rigged to cough up new ideas, which the other two thirds do their best to shoot them down ...
Monster Maker wrote:
my UI things related to maths should be hidden or converted
to music without changing its actual meaningThat would be an achievement - but you would still have to understand the mathematics ... music would then just be another notation ...
Espen Harlinn Principal Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services AS Projects promoting programming in "natural language" are intrinsically doomed to fail. Edsger W.Dijkstra
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Nope, I think about a third of humanity is mentally rigged to cough up new ideas, which the other two thirds do their best to shoot them down ...
I think you are talking about innovation. World is short of ideas and that's the only reason people steal it. But innovations are overflowing as 1 idea can be associated with a million innovations. Secondly, i never want that actually(that would be done in 100 years or so matching all probabilities), what i want to convey is that people like to understand and do thing their own way. So the UI should be made their way(or make a step towards that goal), then only the time understanding windows would be utilized in implementing the ideas innovations.
I miss bitten apple! :'(
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_Maxxx_ wrote:
We cold no longer drive one another's cars
Dammed right, bugger off that is MY computer and if you lay your grubby mits on it I'll glue them to the wall. We already have customisation (in windows anyway) to personal taste!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
Exactly, there's my point,we do have customization. But people actually customizing it are really less. Only those who are actually committed. I don't think a high school child will customize is his computer before using paint. He would prefer social network(where he has stuffs which he understands much better).
World is short of ideas!
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Sure, when you can perform open heart surgery, then it's fair for you to expect that busy doctor to have knowledge about coding. Your youth and inexperience is showing.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easierSure i don't wanna know how open heart surgery is done, but i ll not mind learning about first aid, and i ll surely learn about the medicines that can provide relief to my stomach pain, or my asthama. So for doctors coding is like first aid for us, and understanding OS is like medicine that would solve their common problems in their life. But they don't have time understanding that(that's your point), so that's what m saying UI should be made more friendly , somewhat specific to him! That will save his time!
World is short of ideas!
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Or the LCD UI, lowest common denominator ui. When I look at the metro ui, I kind of start wondering what happend to the guy who once designed programmers workbench ...
Espen Harlinn Principal Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services AS Projects promoting programming in "natural language" are intrinsically doomed to fail. Edsger W.Dijkstra
Espen Harlinn wrote:
When I look at the metro ui, I kind of start wondering what happend to the guy who once designed programmers workbench ...
:) Maybe Windows 9 will be a command line OS, since we seem to be digressing? We can call it WIDIOT?
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Or the LCD UI, lowest common denominator ui. When I look at the metro ui, I kind of start wondering what happend to the guy who once designed programmers workbench ...
Espen Harlinn Principal Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services AS Projects promoting programming in "natural language" are intrinsically doomed to fail. Edsger W.Dijkstra
heheh... one thing i can tell about you is that you are in habit of seeing things with different angles, and always try new things. That's simply gr8 about you. Keep doing the same!! But for now help me debating others. :PP
World is short of ideas!
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_Maxxx_ wrote:
We cold no longer drive one another's cars
Dammed right, bugger off that is MY computer and if you lay your grubby mits on it I'll glue them to the wall. We already have customisation (in windows anyway) to personal taste!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
There's two issues here I think. Customization can be a pain to support so the basics of the OS are reasonably locked down. Imagine trying to use someone's computer if they whistled instead of clicking the mouse, and burped for a double click, for example. It's bad enough with a left handed mouse set up, but if the whole ui is customize it would be a real pain. Also you'd want all devices to use the same paradigms for that user. The other issue is in the 'learning' ui - ie the ui changing over time to adapt to the users requirements. Ms tried that some time ago with menu options being hidden or moved depending on the frequency of use. Trouble is, people get used to selecting the third item downon the menu - so got it wrong when the menu option moved, or they used someone else's computer.
MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
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Exactly, there's my point,we do have customization. But people actually customizing it are really less. Only those who are actually committed. I don't think a high school child will customize is his computer before using paint. He would prefer social network(where he has stuffs which he understands much better).
World is short of ideas!
Monster Maker wrote:
Only those who are actually committed
Even smaller group then, I'm about as committed as they come (coding on a long weekend - X| ) and I don't customise anything but SSMS and VS, my primary tools!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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There's two issues here I think. Customization can be a pain to support so the basics of the OS are reasonably locked down. Imagine trying to use someone's computer if they whistled instead of clicking the mouse, and burped for a double click, for example. It's bad enough with a left handed mouse set up, but if the whole ui is customize it would be a real pain. Also you'd want all devices to use the same paradigms for that user. The other issue is in the 'learning' ui - ie the ui changing over time to adapt to the users requirements. Ms tried that some time ago with menu options being hidden or moved depending on the frequency of use. Trouble is, people get used to selecting the third item downon the menu - so got it wrong when the menu option moved, or they used someone else's computer.
MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
I hate using someone elses computer and will throttle anyone who changes mine. If MS persisted in the dynamic menu stuff I'd probably be using nix. I loathe the ribbon concept of changing menu content based on location. So both concepts would get a negative reaction from me!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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CLI-Command Line interface (Generic) GUI-Graphical User Interface(Generic) NUI-Natural User Interface(almost Generic) From generic what i mean, its almost same for everyone who uses it. Can't we make that thing specific to a type of person who is using it? Please comment on the wild thought:P
World is short of Ideas!
Your posts on the Lounge, expanding in number exponentially ... or should I say "virally" ? ... truly make me wish that down-voting on the Lounge was restored. Bill
“Beginning, middle, and end of birth, growth, and perfection we behold is from contraries, by contraries, and to contraries; and whatever contrariety is, there is action, reaction, there is motion, diversity, multitude, order.”
Giordano Bruno, cosmologist, philosopher, burned at the stake for heresy on February 17, 1600. When condemned, he said to his Inquisitors: “Perhaps you pronounce this verdict against me with greater fear than I receive it.”
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Rich are getting richer and poor getting poorer. I am speaking with reference to technology. I was thrown out of my OS lab when i argued that NUI is just not a great idea. We are making it easier and easier for common people than raising their standards or telling them more about computer technology. I think they would prefer learning how to code(so that they can solve their problems by themselves and not waiting for a s/w or an app that will solve it for them) than having installed computer on their face(google glasses)
World is short of ideas!
Most people that use software or drive a car couldn't care less how either works under the hood. Most people also drive over bridges and live in homes without thinking about the engineering that went into them too. People simply want these things to be pleasing to the eye and to fit a purpose in their life. Only when these things fail to be pleasing to the eye or fail in their designated purpose do they care; and that caring is merely to point the finger of blame at those that built it. That is the human condition, acknowledge it, accept it, and move on.
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CLI-Command Line interface (Generic) GUI-Graphical User Interface(Generic) NUI-Natural User Interface(almost Generic) From generic what i mean, its almost same for everyone who uses it. Can't we make that thing specific to a type of person who is using it? Please comment on the wild thought:P
World is short of Ideas!
You do know that you haven't properly understood what NUI's actually are, don't you? You might want to learn a bit about them before you spam the lounge with this drivel.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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You do know that you haven't properly understood what NUI's actually are, don't you? You might want to learn a bit about them before you spam the lounge with this drivel.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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You do know that you haven't properly understood what NUI's actually are
Let me tell you, you haven't understood my question. I have no debate against NUI, i have a debate against UI bieng generic and same to everybody. Next time read that message twice before calling it a spam. Because the thing which u don't understand is not always a spam.
World is short of ideas!
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Your posts on the Lounge, expanding in number exponentially ... or should I say "virally" ? ... truly make me wish that down-voting on the Lounge was restored. Bill
“Beginning, middle, and end of birth, growth, and perfection we behold is from contraries, by contraries, and to contraries; and whatever contrariety is, there is action, reaction, there is motion, diversity, multitude, order.”
Giordano Bruno, cosmologist, philosopher, burned at the stake for heresy on February 17, 1600. When condemned, he said to his Inquisitors: “Perhaps you pronounce this verdict against me with greater fear than I receive it.”
80% people down-vote the thing which they don't understand. and i can't help it..!! Besties..
World is short of ideas!
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Monster Maker wrote:
Only those who are actually committed
Even smaller group then, I'm about as committed as they come (coding on a long weekend - X| ) and I don't customise anything but SSMS and VS, my primary tools!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
You customise because you know how to cutomise, think of a computer illiterate.. For developers , a friendly UI would just be a bad idea(as they think there is no need), but it will surely save their time and raise their interest.
World is short of ideas!
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There's two issues here I think. Customization can be a pain to support so the basics of the OS are reasonably locked down. Imagine trying to use someone's computer if they whistled instead of clicking the mouse, and burped for a double click, for example. It's bad enough with a left handed mouse set up, but if the whole ui is customize it would be a real pain. Also you'd want all devices to use the same paradigms for that user. The other issue is in the 'learning' ui - ie the ui changing over time to adapt to the users requirements. Ms tried that some time ago with menu options being hidden or moved depending on the frequency of use. Trouble is, people get used to selecting the third item downon the menu - so got it wrong when the menu option moved, or they used someone else's computer.
MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
I don't want computer to work on my whistle. But what i want is, it should keep a record of my liking, i.e finding patterns what all i do on my pc(like google makes patterns what i search), what are the places i find difficulties and where not, and in response adjusting the UI according to it to make my work more efficient. Does that sound illogical?
World is short of Ideas!
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I don't want computer to work on my whistle. But what i want is, it should keep a record of my liking, i.e finding patterns what all i do on my pc(like google makes patterns what i search), what are the places i find difficulties and where not, and in response adjusting the UI according to it to make my work more efficient. Does that sound illogical?
World is short of Ideas!
Monster Maker wrote:
i.e finding patterns what all i do on my pc(like google makes patterns what i search),
So My next application should collect information like if user uses keyboard collect everything the user type's. So that I can sell this information to the highest bidder? I am the new Google overlord. :laugh: MMMMUUUUUAAAAHHHHHAAAAA!
Frazzle the name say's it all
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I don't want computer to work on my whistle. But what i want is, it should keep a record of my liking, i.e finding patterns what all i do on my pc(like google makes patterns what i search), what are the places i find difficulties and where not, and in response adjusting the UI according to it to make my work more efficient. Does that sound illogical?
World is short of Ideas!
Not illogical but it has been tried and it led to difficulties, because if your ui is different to mine, and indeed different to everyone's, then support and training become an issue (as does learning the system for the user) Unless there is a global standard on how to store the set up, it makes moving between computers a problem too.
MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
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80% people down-vote the thing which they don't understand. and i can't help it..!! Besties..
World is short of ideas!
84% of statistics on the internet are made up.
MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
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Exactly, there's my point,we do have customization. But people actually customizing it are really less. Only those who are actually committed. I don't think a high school child will customize is his computer before using paint. He would prefer social network(where he has stuffs which he understands much better).
World is short of ideas!
I have rarely read such drivel, even in the Lounge!
Monster Maker wrote:
I don't think a high school child will customize is his computer before using paint.
Then you haven't been to a high school recently. One of the major issues in schools is supporting student PCs, as they will customise tehm to the point of being all but unusable given half a chance - so the computers have to be locked down to stop them customising
Monster Maker wrote:
He would prefer social network(where he has stuffs which he understands much better).
which he accesses via a computer UI !!
MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
