The team effort
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Problem with the roing methaphore is that it could equally fit a communistic ideal as a capitalist ideal, and thus wouldnt make much sence. Guess thats the problem with any methaphor as they could in essence be transformed into any parable that you wanted them to.
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This was a discussion between me and my manager regarding the team effort. I imagined our company as a boat sailing in a river. I imagined the manager as the person who steers the boat, and the team members as the persons who paddle the water with the guidance of the manager. With all together they will reach safely. With any deficiency resulted from any of them they may get in the way.
The manage is the person who chooses one of the team members to blame if they do not reach safety. If they do get there then he stands on the podium and takes all the glory for himself whilst the team immediately start trying to make the new boat the manager has bought for the next journey able to go in the river despite it being totally unsuitable for that task.
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
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I refer you to the all knowing[^]and the second paragraph "deriving from the word engineer, which itself dates back to 1325, when an engine’er (literally, one who operates an engine) originally referred to “a constructor of military engines.” Anyone before 1325 was not called an Engineer.
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It a nice idea but most companies are more Costa Concordia
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
The cruise ship? :doh:
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The manager is paid to throw in water the one who rows more slowly than the other and makes the ship circle. As a side effect, he also has to throw someone from the other rowing side, to keep it balanced between left and right. The others have then to keep up the original pace with two less team members. That, and crocodiles, and the team remains motivated.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb
Rage wrote:
The manager is paid to throw in water the one who rows more slowly than the other and makes the ship circle.
Shirley he gets promoted to some made up position that allows him to eat more of the rations whilst not having to do any rowing. The sensible decisions would have been to simply chuck him over the side but as the river is full of piranhas (or lawyers as they're more usually called) the manager doesn't want to do that.
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
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* fetches popcorn and sits down *
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb
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This could become the most pointless argument ever waged on the internet - which would be some achievement.
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
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The manage is the person who chooses one of the team members to blame if they do not reach safety. If they do get there then he stands on the podium and takes all the glory for himself whilst the team immediately start trying to make the new boat the manager has bought for the next journey able to go in the river despite it being totally unsuitable for that task.
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
you said "The manage is the person who chooses one of the team members to blame if they do not reach safety." I'm sorry to say that this is correct in many places, but I still own the hope to comprise a real team even when I'm just a team member.
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* fetches popcorn and sits down *
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb
Can I share, this could get good.
“Education is not the piling on of learning, information, data, facts, skills, or abilities - that's training or instruction - but is rather making visible what is hidden as a seed”
“One of the greatest problems of our time is that many are schooled but few are educated”Sir Thomas More (1478 – 1535)
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I refer you to the all knowing[^]and the second paragraph "deriving from the word engineer, which itself dates back to 1325, when an engine’er (literally, one who operates an engine) originally referred to “a constructor of military engines.” Anyone before 1325 was not called an Engineer.
I refer you to the fact that it is so riddled with inaccuracies, adumbration and obscurity as to be untrusted. I therefore call your attention to the Archimedes Screw water pump. If that wasn't an Ancient Greek Engine I do not know what is. And what of their steam engines, or are they inconveniently placed in history for you? Would these 'Engines' not require an Engineer?
The Bhai wrote:
Anyone before 1325 was not called an Engineer.
Apart from the Roman ones you mean. The Ingeniare. You are putting your cart before your horse. Engineers are not called engineers because of the Engine, the engine is called an engine because it was engineered by engineers. The Engineer is the craftsman who designs and manufactures ingenious devices. The word Artificial is actually very complimentary. It means something engineered with great skill and artifice.
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This could become the most pointless argument ever waged on the internet - which would be some achievement.
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
I like your signature, seems fitting to this :laugh:
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This was a discussion between me and my manager regarding the team effort. I imagined our company as a boat sailing in a river. I imagined the manager as the person who steers the boat, and the team members as the persons who paddle the water with the guidance of the manager. With all together they will reach safely. With any deficiency resulted from any of them they may get in the way.
So what you are saying is the manager is a big cox while the team members are all just working their rowlocks?
“Education is not the piling on of learning, information, data, facts, skills, or abilities - that's training or instruction - but is rather making visible what is hidden as a seed”
“One of the greatest problems of our time is that many are schooled but few are educated”Sir Thomas More (1478 – 1535)
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The cruise ship? :doh:
Cruise ship - currently submarine
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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You've just highlighted the principle of rhetorics.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb
Define first, then conquer?
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So in your scenario you have a helmsman and a rowing crew, so who is the captain? Who makes the strategic decisions? Is there an engineer to keep the ship seaworthy? Do you have a Bo'sun? Which of you is 'The Cabin Boy'?
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^]
And what about Seaman Staines?
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And what about Seaman Staines?
MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
"Mum", says the teenage lad, "This is difficult for me to say, but I am Gay" His mother looks at him and says "Yes son, I know" "How?" "When I do the launndry I have to scrub the semen stains from the front of your brother's underpants, with yours I have to scrub the back."
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^]
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So what you are saying is the manager is a big cox while the team members are all just working their rowlocks?
“Education is not the piling on of learning, information, data, facts, skills, or abilities - that's training or instruction - but is rather making visible what is hidden as a seed”
“One of the greatest problems of our time is that many are schooled but few are educated”Sir Thomas More (1478 – 1535)
yes, this is the case in our company
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I refer you to the fact that it is so riddled with inaccuracies, adumbration and obscurity as to be untrusted. I therefore call your attention to the Archimedes Screw water pump. If that wasn't an Ancient Greek Engine I do not know what is. And what of their steam engines, or are they inconveniently placed in history for you? Would these 'Engines' not require an Engineer?
The Bhai wrote:
Anyone before 1325 was not called an Engineer.
Apart from the Roman ones you mean. The Ingeniare. You are putting your cart before your horse. Engineers are not called engineers because of the Engine, the engine is called an engine because it was engineered by engineers. The Engineer is the craftsman who designs and manufactures ingenious devices. The word Artificial is actually very complimentary. It means something engineered with great skill and artifice.
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^]
Good. Now, both of you get back to work. Jeez guys, you've a lot of time. :)
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
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I refer you to the fact that it is so riddled with inaccuracies, adumbration and obscurity as to be untrusted. I therefore call your attention to the Archimedes Screw water pump. If that wasn't an Ancient Greek Engine I do not know what is. And what of their steam engines, or are they inconveniently placed in history for you? Would these 'Engines' not require an Engineer?
The Bhai wrote:
Anyone before 1325 was not called an Engineer.
Apart from the Roman ones you mean. The Ingeniare. You are putting your cart before your horse. Engineers are not called engineers because of the Engine, the engine is called an engine because it was engineered by engineers. The Engineer is the craftsman who designs and manufactures ingenious devices. The word Artificial is actually very complimentary. It means something engineered with great skill and artifice.
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^]
Dalek Dave wrote:
it is so riddled with inaccuracies, adumbration and obscurity as to be untrusted
Um. From you, Mr Botham?
The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)
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I refer you to the fact that it is so riddled with inaccuracies, adumbration and obscurity as to be untrusted. I therefore call your attention to the Archimedes Screw water pump. If that wasn't an Ancient Greek Engine I do not know what is. And what of their steam engines, or are they inconveniently placed in history for you? Would these 'Engines' not require an Engineer?
The Bhai wrote:
Anyone before 1325 was not called an Engineer.
Apart from the Roman ones you mean. The Ingeniare. You are putting your cart before your horse. Engineers are not called engineers because of the Engine, the engine is called an engine because it was engineered by engineers. The Engineer is the craftsman who designs and manufactures ingenious devices. The word Artificial is actually very complimentary. It means something engineered with great skill and artifice.
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^]
Dalek Dave wrote:
Engineers are not called engineers because of the Engine, the engine is called an engine because it was engineered by engineers.
As I have said previously this is the bit I find hard to believe. I have provided a source that states explicitly that the word Engineer came after the word Engine. You say it is the other way but provide no proof (The examples you are giving are of people being retrospectively called Engineers, not of people who were called Engineers at the time.)
Dalek Dave wrote:
I therefore call your attention to the Archimedes Screw water pump.
If that wasn't an Ancient Greek Engine I do not know what is.
And what of their steam engines, or are they inconveniently placed in history for you?
Would these 'Engines' not require an Engineer?As stated above the maintainers of these would not have been known as Engineers. And just to ensure I win the Interwebs[^]
