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War in Iraq - a matter of POV

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    Noam Ben Haim wrote: in Paris [...] the common opinion is that the war will not happen at the end Really ? This is not at all the feeling most people have here (and I live in France).

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    Well, this is what I got from the people I met there (mainly my family). And this is what I got from the news headlines from last week (the NATO crisis was a pretty convincing arguments in that). N Noam Ben Haim Web Developer Intel noam.ben.chaim@intel.com

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      Hello all CPians, I just came back from 10 days in Paris (Blessed, Needed vacation) and was sure that the common opinion is that the war will not happen at the end (this is how it looks from reading French newspapers and watching news on TV5 and ARTE). To my Huge surprise, back here in Israel it looks all the way around. even after the mass demonstration during the weekend all over Europe and the US people here are so convinved that war is a matter of days. so it's all a matter of POV. Now I was wondering, what do you get in your countries, from the media about the Iraq crisis? Best regards Noam Noam Ben Haim Web Developer Intel noam.ben.chaim@intel.com

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        Hello all CPians, I just came back from 10 days in Paris (Blessed, Needed vacation) and was sure that the common opinion is that the war will not happen at the end (this is how it looks from reading French newspapers and watching news on TV5 and ARTE). To my Huge surprise, back here in Israel it looks all the way around. even after the mass demonstration during the weekend all over Europe and the US people here are so convinved that war is a matter of days. so it's all a matter of POV. Now I was wondering, what do you get in your countries, from the media about the Iraq crisis? Best regards Noam Noam Ben Haim Web Developer Intel noam.ben.chaim@intel.com

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        • N Noam Ben Haim

          Hello all CPians, I just came back from 10 days in Paris (Blessed, Needed vacation) and was sure that the common opinion is that the war will not happen at the end (this is how it looks from reading French newspapers and watching news on TV5 and ARTE). To my Huge surprise, back here in Israel it looks all the way around. even after the mass demonstration during the weekend all over Europe and the US people here are so convinved that war is a matter of days. so it's all a matter of POV. Now I was wondering, what do you get in your countries, from the media about the Iraq crisis? Best regards Noam Noam Ben Haim Web Developer Intel noam.ben.chaim@intel.com

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          Riyadh, Saudi Arabia here. We're pretty sure there's going to be a war (perhaps 1st week of March?). The only thing to watch for is how the Bush administration will kick off. Material support from this region is a given - you've all seen "The Base" on CNN. Mild anxiety describes the public mood. We're all concerned for the Iraqis, sure, but public protests are banned. Bilal

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            Riyadh, Saudi Arabia here. We're pretty sure there's going to be a war (perhaps 1st week of March?). The only thing to watch for is how the Bush administration will kick off. Material support from this region is a given - you've all seen "The Base" on CNN. Mild anxiety describes the public mood. We're all concerned for the Iraqis, sure, but public protests are banned. Bilal

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            Bilal Naveed wrote: We're all concerned for the Iraqis, sure, but public protests are banned. I'm concerned for the innocent law abiding people of Iraq, however, I am not the least bit concerned for the terrorist and evil people of Iraq. The problem is war does not make distinctions, it affects both types of people.


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              Hello all CPians, I just came back from 10 days in Paris (Blessed, Needed vacation) and was sure that the common opinion is that the war will not happen at the end (this is how it looks from reading French newspapers and watching news on TV5 and ARTE). To my Huge surprise, back here in Israel it looks all the way around. even after the mass demonstration during the weekend all over Europe and the US people here are so convinved that war is a matter of days. so it's all a matter of POV. Now I was wondering, what do you get in your countries, from the media about the Iraq crisis? Best regards Noam Noam Ben Haim Web Developer Intel noam.ben.chaim@intel.com

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              Noam Ben Haim wrote: and was sure that the common opinion is that the war will not happen at the end :confused: I live also in France and have not this feeling. On the contrary, I think anybody fears war could begin tomorrow.


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                Bilal Naveed wrote: We're all concerned for the Iraqis, sure, but public protests are banned. I'm concerned for the innocent law abiding people of Iraq, however, I am not the least bit concerned for the terrorist and evil people of Iraq. The problem is war does not make distinctions, it affects both types of people.


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                What do you think the percentage split between the good and "evil" would be? Powell tells the Senate that ...an invasion of Iraq could reshape the Middle East in a powerful positive way that will enhance U.S. interests.... NewYork Public Radio tells us that the Bush administration is heavily in favour of American military rule in Iraq for upto 2 years. The same program quotes the Iraqi in-exile leaders saying that the administration has turned a cold shoulder under pressure from Saudi Arabia and other US allies in the region because they do not want a democratic Iraq. It looks like it may end up with the creation of another dictator, friendly to US this time around. Donald Rumsfeld tells us that US plans to use chemical riot-control agents which US has agreed not to use in a 1993 treaty. He acknowledges in the same press conference that it is banned, but they would still use it. Could it be that all the other countries are opposing because of this? Is standing up against the above said things supporting Saddam? Why is no one asking questions about the future plans in Iraq? Will the Iraqi people have the right to ask American soldiers to leave? ... or have they lost their right to democracy? It seems to me that Russia, China and France does not want a much-more US dominated middle-east that it currently is. The chances of them supporting a military action is remote unless their economic interests in the region are protected. It has nothing to do with love/hate for Saddam. My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers

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                  Riyadh, Saudi Arabia here. We're pretty sure there's going to be a war (perhaps 1st week of March?). The only thing to watch for is how the Bush administration will kick off. Material support from this region is a given - you've all seen "The Base" on CNN. Mild anxiety describes the public mood. We're all concerned for the Iraqis, sure, but public protests are banned. Bilal

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                  Bilal Naveed wrote: but public protests are banned. OMG, really?! :omg:


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                    What do you think the percentage split between the good and "evil" would be? Powell tells the Senate that ...an invasion of Iraq could reshape the Middle East in a powerful positive way that will enhance U.S. interests.... NewYork Public Radio tells us that the Bush administration is heavily in favour of American military rule in Iraq for upto 2 years. The same program quotes the Iraqi in-exile leaders saying that the administration has turned a cold shoulder under pressure from Saudi Arabia and other US allies in the region because they do not want a democratic Iraq. It looks like it may end up with the creation of another dictator, friendly to US this time around. Donald Rumsfeld tells us that US plans to use chemical riot-control agents which US has agreed not to use in a 1993 treaty. He acknowledges in the same press conference that it is banned, but they would still use it. Could it be that all the other countries are opposing because of this? Is standing up against the above said things supporting Saddam? Why is no one asking questions about the future plans in Iraq? Will the Iraqi people have the right to ask American soldiers to leave? ... or have they lost their right to democracy? It seems to me that Russia, China and France does not want a much-more US dominated middle-east that it currently is. The chances of them supporting a military action is remote unless their economic interests in the region are protected. It has nothing to do with love/hate for Saddam. My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers

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                    Thomas George wrote: It looks like it may end up with the creation of another dictator, friendly to US this time around. That was Saddam last time against Iran....... If we don't learn from our mistakes then we are doomed to repeat them. And other will pay the price... Again :mad: The tigress is here :-D

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                    • T TigerNinja_

                      Bilal Naveed wrote: We're all concerned for the Iraqis, sure, but public protests are banned. I'm concerned for the innocent law abiding people of Iraq, however, I am not the least bit concerned for the terrorist and evil people of Iraq. The problem is war does not make distinctions, it affects both types of people.


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                      Soliant wrote: war does not make distinctions, it affects both types of people. Then my question is: Should we not try to make that distinction and work to prevent a war? Or is making such a distinction below our conscience?

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                        Soliant wrote: war does not make distinctions, it affects both types of people. Then my question is: Should we not try to make that distinction and work to prevent a war? Or is making such a distinction below our conscience?

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                        Bilal Naveed wrote: Should we not try to make that distinction and work to prevent a war? Definitely work to prevent war. War is not the best answer. However, I think we must make a distinction between terrorist/murders and law abiding civilians. Terrorist take innocent lives, they commit the ultimate sin, murder. They should be dealt with accordingly. I don't want to get into a long debate, everyone has their opinions and I respect that. I live in harmony with people of all races,cultures,religions and it does not seem that hard. Why can't everyone do this? However, regardless of race/culture/religion if you murder, you should be punished. Have a good day.


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