Here we go again with another proposed internet sales tax...
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Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
Over 50% of my gross revenue goes to the government in the form of taxes;
? how?
My guess is income tax, property tax, and sales tax.
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Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
Over 50% of my gross revenue goes to the government in the form of taxes;
? how?
Federal + Total Fica + Sales Tax + Property Tax: 28+15+6.5+2=51.5 And this doesn't count or make accounts for fuel taxes, internet taxes, phone taxes, tag and title taxes, hotel taxes, restaurant taxes (some places have them, VA), travel taxes, postage taxes, tire tax, battery tax. Really the list goes on, but the point is I feel very confident in saying that 50% is an accurate minimum for me. This, of course, doesn't reflect, my savings for my retirement. Because I doubt I will get a dime from "Social Security" or more accurately, "How to buy votes legally"
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ahmed zahmed wrote:
and it may be able to be implemented in an easier way through the CC companies.
billingAmt += getStateSalesTax(salePrice, zipCode); billingAmt += getLocalSalesTax(salePrice, zipCode); billingAmt += getCitySalesTax(salePrice, zipCode); none of those functions need be more complicated than a DB lookup and a multiplication.
Chris Losinger wrote:
none of those functions need be more complicated than a DB lookup and a multiplication.
Calculating the correct tax isn't the hard part. The seller then has to give all of the collected tax money to the proper governments.
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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ahmed zahmed wrote:
and it may be able to be implemented in an easier way through the CC companies.
billingAmt += getStateSalesTax(salePrice, zipCode); billingAmt += getLocalSalesTax(salePrice, zipCode); billingAmt += getCitySalesTax(salePrice, zipCode); none of those functions need be more complicated than a DB lookup and a multiplication.
Chris Losinger wrote:
none of those functions need be more complicated than a DB lookup and a multiplication.
Not entirely, there are areas such as New York and places in Colorado where it is split between streets. One side pays one set of sales tax the other a different. Those are just two I know off the top of my head, there are more.
Common sense is admitting there is cause and effect and that you can exert some control over what you understand.
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Chris Losinger wrote:
none of those functions need be more complicated than a DB lookup and a multiplication.
Calculating the correct tax isn't the hard part. The seller then has to give all of the collected tax money to the proper governments.
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
I had forgotten about that aspect, even though I had mentioned the merchant collecting the tax. Doh!
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Chris Losinger wrote:
none of those functions need be more complicated than a DB lookup and a multiplication.
Not entirely, there are areas such as New York and places in Colorado where it is split between streets. One side pays one set of sales tax the other a different. Those are just two I know off the top of my head, there are more.
Common sense is admitting there is cause and effect and that you can exert some control over what you understand.
WTE! Who the hell thought of that!
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WTE! Who the hell thought of that!
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert EinsteinI don't think you actually want an answer for that question, as I think you already know... :laugh:
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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Federal + Total Fica + Sales Tax + Property Tax: 28+15+6.5+2=51.5 And this doesn't count or make accounts for fuel taxes, internet taxes, phone taxes, tag and title taxes, hotel taxes, restaurant taxes (some places have them, VA), travel taxes, postage taxes, tire tax, battery tax. Really the list goes on, but the point is I feel very confident in saying that 50% is an accurate minimum for me. This, of course, doesn't reflect, my savings for my retirement. Because I doubt I will get a dime from "Social Security" or more accurately, "How to buy votes legally"
Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost "All users always want Excel" --Ennis Lynch
ah ok. so, you're not talking about business taxes, you're talking about your own personal taxes?
Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
Federal + Total Fica + Sales Tax + Property Tax: 28+15+6.5+2=51.5
Property tax isn't based on your income, so it can't really count it in the same bucket as the others. Sales tax isn't based on income, either. it only counts for the things you actually purchase which aren't exempt (ex. food, in most states). and do you actually pay both halves of FICA? if you do, then, OK, you are talking about a business. but, in that case, a chunk of your sales taxes can count as biz expense. and if you're incorporated, then you don't have to pay both halves of FICA. and, are you sure you have a 28% effective federal tax rate? that would be pretty awesome! i do well enough to hit the 28% bracket, but my effective rate is 20%, because we have a marginal tax system.
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I don't think you actually want an answer for that question, as I think you already know... :laugh:
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
Indeed.
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You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
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Chris Losinger wrote:
none of those functions need be more complicated than a DB lookup and a multiplication.
Calculating the correct tax isn't the hard part. The seller then has to give all of the collected tax money to the proper governments.
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
that's something software can handle automatically, too. it's just a form (a PDF, probably) and a bank transfer at the end of each month, to each jurisdiction. the proposed law requires that states make uniform forms and consolidate collections into a single agency. and it makes an exemption for small sellers ('remote' sales < $500,000). so, it's not going to affect anyone's Etsy shop.
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WTE! Who the hell thought of that!
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einsteinahmed zahmed wrote:
Who the hell thought of that!
Who else would think of "stuff" like that, politicians. Clearly you need to charge the "rich" more. Also, certain items are charged differently than others. As far as I have been able to determine there is nothing clear cut about taxes at any level.
Common sense is admitting there is cause and effect and that you can exert some control over what you understand.
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ahmed zahmed wrote:
Who the hell thought of that!
Who else would think of "stuff" like that, politicians. Clearly you need to charge the "rich" more. Also, certain items are charged differently than others. As far as I have been able to determine there is nothing clear cut about taxes at any level.
Common sense is admitting there is cause and effect and that you can exert some control over what you understand.
So true. Of course, I'm being technical here about the taxes, etc. That's not saying it's good or bad or right or wrong. Personally, I'd prefer to pay less taxes.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein -
WTE! Who the hell thought of that!
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einsteintown/city borders have to go somewhere.
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Chris Losinger wrote:
none of those functions need be more complicated than a DB lookup and a multiplication.
Not entirely, there are areas such as New York and places in Colorado where it is split between streets. One side pays one set of sales tax the other a different. Those are just two I know off the top of my head, there are more.
Common sense is admitting there is cause and effect and that you can exert some control over what you understand.
ok, then you need an address. but software can handle that, too.
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ah ok. so, you're not talking about business taxes, you're talking about your own personal taxes?
Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
Federal + Total Fica + Sales Tax + Property Tax: 28+15+6.5+2=51.5
Property tax isn't based on your income, so it can't really count it in the same bucket as the others. Sales tax isn't based on income, either. it only counts for the things you actually purchase which aren't exempt (ex. food, in most states). and do you actually pay both halves of FICA? if you do, then, OK, you are talking about a business. but, in that case, a chunk of your sales taxes can count as biz expense. and if you're incorporated, then you don't have to pay both halves of FICA. and, are you sure you have a 28% effective federal tax rate? that would be pretty awesome! i do well enough to hit the 28% bracket, but my effective rate is 20%, because we have a marginal tax system.
You sound like a politician politicking for office on the platform that taxes are low. Any money I pay to the government is a TAX. I pay more than 50%. I count both sides of FICA because people need to understand what FICA really is, however, I don't count my other business taxes ... if I did, I guess the number would be higher.
Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost "All users always want Excel" --Ennis Lynch
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town/city borders have to go somewhere.
um, that's a rare occurrence, but this is happening within the city/town borders, at least according to the poster to whom I responded.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein -
You sound like a politician politicking for office on the platform that taxes are low. Any money I pay to the government is a TAX. I pay more than 50%. I count both sides of FICA because people need to understand what FICA really is, however, I don't count my other business taxes ... if I did, I guess the number would be higher.
Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost "All users always want Excel" --Ennis Lynch
i'm not saying taxes are low, i'm saying your math isn't quite right.
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um, that's a rare occurrence, but this is happening within the city/town borders, at least according to the poster to whom I responded.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einsteini'd like to see a cite for that (yeah, i know you didn't post it, originally) AFAICT, NYC has different taxes in the different boroughs (which streets will obviously cross), but i can't find anything about street-by-street differences. e. http://taxes.about.com/od/statetaxes/a/New-York-City-taxes.htm[^]
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Chris Losinger wrote:
none of those functions need be more complicated than a DB lookup and a multiplication.
Not entirely, there are areas such as New York and places in Colorado where it is split between streets. One side pays one set of sales tax the other a different. Those are just two I know off the top of my head, there are more.
Common sense is admitting there is cause and effect and that you can exert some control over what you understand.
do you have a cite for this? i know different NYC boroughs can have different rates. but it's not really a street-by-street thing.
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i'd like to see a cite for that (yeah, i know you didn't post it, originally) AFAICT, NYC has different taxes in the different boroughs (which streets will obviously cross), but i can't find anything about street-by-street differences. e. http://taxes.about.com/od/statetaxes/a/New-York-City-taxes.htm[^]
yeah, one wonders... I've heard zip codes can sometimes divide down the center of the street sometimes...
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein