Here we go again with another proposed internet sales tax...
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ahmed zahmed wrote:
Who the hell thought of that!
Who else would think of "stuff" like that, politicians. Clearly you need to charge the "rich" more. Also, certain items are charged differently than others. As far as I have been able to determine there is nothing clear cut about taxes at any level.
Common sense is admitting there is cause and effect and that you can exert some control over what you understand.
So true. Of course, I'm being technical here about the taxes, etc. That's not saying it's good or bad or right or wrong. Personally, I'd prefer to pay less taxes.
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WTE! Who the hell thought of that!
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Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einsteintown/city borders have to go somewhere.
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Chris Losinger wrote:
none of those functions need be more complicated than a DB lookup and a multiplication.
Not entirely, there are areas such as New York and places in Colorado where it is split between streets. One side pays one set of sales tax the other a different. Those are just two I know off the top of my head, there are more.
Common sense is admitting there is cause and effect and that you can exert some control over what you understand.
ok, then you need an address. but software can handle that, too.
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ah ok. so, you're not talking about business taxes, you're talking about your own personal taxes?
Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
Federal + Total Fica + Sales Tax + Property Tax: 28+15+6.5+2=51.5
Property tax isn't based on your income, so it can't really count it in the same bucket as the others. Sales tax isn't based on income, either. it only counts for the things you actually purchase which aren't exempt (ex. food, in most states). and do you actually pay both halves of FICA? if you do, then, OK, you are talking about a business. but, in that case, a chunk of your sales taxes can count as biz expense. and if you're incorporated, then you don't have to pay both halves of FICA. and, are you sure you have a 28% effective federal tax rate? that would be pretty awesome! i do well enough to hit the 28% bracket, but my effective rate is 20%, because we have a marginal tax system.
You sound like a politician politicking for office on the platform that taxes are low. Any money I pay to the government is a TAX. I pay more than 50%. I count both sides of FICA because people need to understand what FICA really is, however, I don't count my other business taxes ... if I did, I guess the number would be higher.
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town/city borders have to go somewhere.
um, that's a rare occurrence, but this is happening within the city/town borders, at least according to the poster to whom I responded.
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You sound like a politician politicking for office on the platform that taxes are low. Any money I pay to the government is a TAX. I pay more than 50%. I count both sides of FICA because people need to understand what FICA really is, however, I don't count my other business taxes ... if I did, I guess the number would be higher.
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i'm not saying taxes are low, i'm saying your math isn't quite right.
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um, that's a rare occurrence, but this is happening within the city/town borders, at least according to the poster to whom I responded.
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You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einsteini'd like to see a cite for that (yeah, i know you didn't post it, originally) AFAICT, NYC has different taxes in the different boroughs (which streets will obviously cross), but i can't find anything about street-by-street differences. e. http://taxes.about.com/od/statetaxes/a/New-York-City-taxes.htm[^]
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Chris Losinger wrote:
none of those functions need be more complicated than a DB lookup and a multiplication.
Not entirely, there are areas such as New York and places in Colorado where it is split between streets. One side pays one set of sales tax the other a different. Those are just two I know off the top of my head, there are more.
Common sense is admitting there is cause and effect and that you can exert some control over what you understand.
do you have a cite for this? i know different NYC boroughs can have different rates. but it's not really a street-by-street thing.
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i'd like to see a cite for that (yeah, i know you didn't post it, originally) AFAICT, NYC has different taxes in the different boroughs (which streets will obviously cross), but i can't find anything about street-by-street differences. e. http://taxes.about.com/od/statetaxes/a/New-York-City-taxes.htm[^]
yeah, one wonders... I've heard zip codes can sometimes divide down the center of the street sometimes...
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yeah, one wonders... I've heard zip codes can sometimes divide down the center of the street sometimes...
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Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einsteinahmed zahmed wrote:
I've heard zip codes can sometimes divide down the center of the street sometimes
yep. when i was in elementary school, i wasn't allowed to ride the bus, because i was inside the town limits and the bus was only for the unincorporated areas outside the town. the town border ... ran down the middle of my street. my friends across the street could ride the bus, but the bus driver wouldn't even let me on because she knew i lived on the forbidden side.
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ahmed zahmed wrote:
I've heard zip codes can sometimes divide down the center of the street sometimes
yep. when i was in elementary school, i wasn't allowed to ride the bus, because i was inside the town limits and the bus was only for the unincorporated areas outside the town. the town border ... ran down the middle of my street. my friends across the street could ride the bus, but the bus driver wouldn't even let me on because she knew i lived on the forbidden side.
bummer, your family probably paid plenty of taxes of one sort or another to the town. shameful.
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bummer, your family probably paid plenty of taxes of one sort or another to the town. shameful.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einsteinluckily not much. we were kinda poor. :)
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do you have a cite for this? i know different NYC boroughs can have different rates. but it's not really a street-by-street thing.
Chris Losinger wrote:
do you have a cite for this?
Some where on my work machine I have info from our tax accountants. Not sure what's out on the web (I would assume it can be found on the web, but I just got an crisis dumped into my lap) X|
Common sense is admitting there is cause and effect and that you can exert some control over what you understand.
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No that's not true in either case. Since I am buying something from a place in AZ and I live in NY, I would pay the sales tax to NY at the rate of NY, not AZ. So yes, I would have input into how the tax money is spent. It's not the merchant that pays the tax, it's the buyer. The merchant merely collects the tax, just like today. What's not clear is who has the authority to enforce such a scheme.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert EinsteinReally? Here is a quote from the article:
New Hampshire, for example, has no sales tax, but a Granite State Web merchant would be forced to collect and remit sales taxes to all the governments that do. Small online sellers will therefore have to comply with tax laws created by distant governments in which they have no representation, and in places where they consume no local services.
You had better contact the Wall Street Journal and tell them their article is wrong. But I'm pretty sure they know what they are doing.
Steve Wellens
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Really? Here is a quote from the article:
New Hampshire, for example, has no sales tax, but a Granite State Web merchant would be forced to collect and remit sales taxes to all the governments that do. Small online sellers will therefore have to comply with tax laws created by distant governments in which they have no representation, and in places where they consume no local services.
You had better contact the Wall Street Journal and tell them their article is wrong. But I'm pretty sure they know what they are doing.
Steve Wellens
I quote from your quote...
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Granite State Web merchant would be forced to collect and remit sales taxes to all the governments that do.
Notice the bolded text. They collect taxes from the buyers and remit those collected taxes to "distant governments". So, again, it's the buyers paying the taxes, *not* the merchant. So while it is true that the merchants "have no representation" there, they also don't "consume local resources" there and pay no taxes there. They therefore need no representation, there. Note, I'm not necessarily in favor of this, I'm just pointing out what's really going on.
Steve Wellens wrote:
I'm pretty sure they know what they are doing.
LOL. Like the WSJ and other media have never been wrong before or misconstrued something or written in an unclear manner or twisted the truth.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein -
I quote from your quote...
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Granite State Web merchant would be forced to collect and remit sales taxes to all the governments that do.
Notice the bolded text. They collect taxes from the buyers and remit those collected taxes to "distant governments". So, again, it's the buyers paying the taxes, *not* the merchant. So while it is true that the merchants "have no representation" there, they also don't "consume local resources" there and pay no taxes there. They therefore need no representation, there. Note, I'm not necessarily in favor of this, I'm just pointing out what's really going on.
Steve Wellens wrote:
I'm pretty sure they know what they are doing.
LOL. Like the WSJ and other media have never been wrong before or misconstrued something or written in an unclear manner or twisted the truth.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert EinsteinThis is like me forcing you to collect money from other people and send it to me. Are you OK with doing that? By the way. You have no say. I'll tell you the rules, you just follow them. Are you starting to see why this is a horrible, horrible idea?
Steve Wellens
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This is like me forcing you to collect money from other people and send it to me. Are you OK with doing that? By the way. You have no say. I'll tell you the rules, you just follow them. Are you starting to see why this is a horrible, horrible idea?
Steve Wellens
I agree with your statements here. I agree it's force. I was just pointing out that it's not the merchant paying the tax, it's the buyer. Further, this is not really a new tax, as each individual must usually pay a "use tax" on items bought from out-of-state. Of course, most people either are ignorant of that or ignore it (like I do). I see your point about not having any say in the rules. Bad idea. So.... Make each state collect their "use tax". Perhaps they want to have all packages come through a "customs" house where the tax can be imposed. LOL. Like that'd work.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein