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  • N Nagy Vilmos

    In the UK, there is the Open University[^], here it is well regarded and offers very good choices. The availability of some courses overseas is restricted but it may well be worth trying. I completed a degree with them a few years ago and I know Dave Auld is about to finish his as well.

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    It's interesting that this topic has come up. I've been trying to find out a number of things from the OU, and keep getting different or "maybe, I dunno" answers. If anyone knows, can they tell me: - Can I do a Masters in Software Development despite having no undergraduate qualification? I've got 13 years on the job and a load of Microsoft certs by way of alternative. Other universities have told me to do a BSc so I can get to a level junior to where I am now, in order to do an MSc. And spend up to £40k in tuition fees at the same time, let's not forget. - Do I have to do the assignments in Java et al? Could I use C#, SQL Server and all that instead? If the definitive answer to any of those is a no then I'm not interested because I certainly don't need an MSc to do my job, it's more of a personal achievement thing.

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      It's interesting that this topic has come up. I've been trying to find out a number of things from the OU, and keep getting different or "maybe, I dunno" answers. If anyone knows, can they tell me: - Can I do a Masters in Software Development despite having no undergraduate qualification? I've got 13 years on the job and a load of Microsoft certs by way of alternative. Other universities have told me to do a BSc so I can get to a level junior to where I am now, in order to do an MSc. And spend up to £40k in tuition fees at the same time, let's not forget. - Do I have to do the assignments in Java et al? Could I use C#, SQL Server and all that instead? If the definitive answer to any of those is a no then I'm not interested because I certainly don't need an MSc to do my job, it's more of a personal achievement thing.

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      Nagy Vilmos
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      jim lahey wrote:

      Can I do a Masters in Software Development despite having no undergraduate qualification?

      Anywhere you go, they'll ask for a degree to do a masters; except an MBA were you just need to be a Sunshine.

      jim lahey wrote:

      spend up to £40k in tuition fees

      My degree, completed 2 years ago, cost me in the order £4,500.

      jim lahey wrote:

      Do I have to do the assignments in Java et al?

      Everything was done in Java at the time I studied. There was discussion about using C# as well, but Java remains the Language du Jour in Academia. This is the degree[^] I read and I did learn some new and valuable skills through it. Hope this helps.

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      • N Nagy Vilmos

        jim lahey wrote:

        Can I do a Masters in Software Development despite having no undergraduate qualification?

        Anywhere you go, they'll ask for a degree to do a masters; except an MBA were you just need to be a Sunshine.

        jim lahey wrote:

        spend up to £40k in tuition fees

        My degree, completed 2 years ago, cost me in the order £4,500.

        jim lahey wrote:

        Do I have to do the assignments in Java et al?

        Everything was done in Java at the time I studied. There was discussion about using C# as well, but Java remains the Language du Jour in Academia. This is the degree[^] I read and I did learn some new and valuable skills through it. Hope this helps.

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        Nagy Vilmos wrote:

        Anywhere you go, they'll ask for a degree to do a masters

        Not quite: "You will need a bachelors degree (or equivalent) in computing or a related discipline, or relevant industrial experience. If you do not hold a degree, we would expect you to complete our Postgraduate Certificate in Computing (K22) before embarking on this MSc." Source[^]

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          Nagy Vilmos wrote:

          Anywhere you go, they'll ask for a degree to do a masters

          Not quite: "You will need a bachelors degree (or equivalent) in computing or a related discipline, or relevant industrial experience. If you do not hold a degree, we would expect you to complete our Postgraduate Certificate in Computing (K22) before embarking on this MSc." Source[^]

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          Nagy Vilmos
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          I just went from memory. Is there some tool for finding this kind of information?

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          • N Nagy Vilmos

            I just went from memory. Is there some tool for finding this kind of information?

            Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol

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            Nagy Vilmos wrote:

            Is there some tool for finding this kind of information?

            Who are you calling a tool?

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              Nagy Vilmos wrote:

              Anywhere you go, they'll ask for a degree to do a masters

              Not quite: "You will need a bachelors degree (or equivalent) in computing or a related discipline, or relevant industrial experience. If you do not hold a degree, we would expect you to complete our Postgraduate Certificate in Computing (K22) before embarking on this MSc." Source[^]

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              That's what I read. Depending on who is staffing the office when you email them about this the answer can be quite different.

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              • N Nagy Vilmos

                jim lahey wrote:

                Can I do a Masters in Software Development despite having no undergraduate qualification?

                Anywhere you go, they'll ask for a degree to do a masters; except an MBA were you just need to be a Sunshine.

                jim lahey wrote:

                spend up to £40k in tuition fees

                My degree, completed 2 years ago, cost me in the order £4,500.

                jim lahey wrote:

                Do I have to do the assignments in Java et al?

                Everything was done in Java at the time I studied. There was discussion about using C# as well, but Java remains the Language du Jour in Academia. This is the degree[^] I read and I did learn some new and valuable skills through it. Hope this helps.

                Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol

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                Nagy Vilmos wrote:

                but Java remains the Language du Jour in Academia

                Not entirely true everywhere. In college, I learned Java, C, C++, MIPS, OCaml, PHP, and SQL all in various classes in varying degrees (scale of learning, not different degree programs). There were a few more that I learned and/or used and/or saw used (such as Python, Objective-C, Ruby, Javascript), but they weren't taught specifically in class. The funny part about it is that I don't use any of those at work, since we use Delphi... :laugh:

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                • N Nagy Vilmos

                  jim lahey wrote:

                  Can I do a Masters in Software Development despite having no undergraduate qualification?

                  Anywhere you go, they'll ask for a degree to do a masters; except an MBA were you just need to be a Sunshine.

                  jim lahey wrote:

                  spend up to £40k in tuition fees

                  My degree, completed 2 years ago, cost me in the order £4,500.

                  jim lahey wrote:

                  Do I have to do the assignments in Java et al?

                  Everything was done in Java at the time I studied. There was discussion about using C# as well, but Java remains the Language du Jour in Academia. This is the degree[^] I read and I did learn some new and valuable skills through it. Hope this helps.

                  Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol

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                  jim lahey
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                  Nagy Vilmos wrote:

                  My degree, completed 2 years ago, cost me in the order £4,500.

                  Your degree was issued before they jacked up the price of degrees. There was a bit of debate about it at the time, if I remember correctly. My £40k figure was based on what I'd been told from places like Sheffield University, both Manchester Universities, York and Salford: I'd have to do a BSc at £9k a year tuition for 3-4 years, then fork out for an MSc on top. No ta. I could set myself up as a BTL landlord with that money.

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                  • J jim lahey

                    Nagy Vilmos wrote:

                    My degree, completed 2 years ago, cost me in the order £4,500.

                    Your degree was issued before they jacked up the price of degrees. There was a bit of debate about it at the time, if I remember correctly. My £40k figure was based on what I'd been told from places like Sheffield University, both Manchester Universities, York and Salford: I'd have to do a BSc at £9k a year tuition for 3-4 years, then fork out for an MSc on top. No ta. I could set myself up as a BTL landlord with that money.

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                    Nagy Vilmos
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                    The OU does not charge an annual fee, but by the course. The current prices for the courses I did are comparable. Jeez, I 've just checked and the prices are 3 to 4 times more than a few years ago.

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                    • N Nagy Vilmos

                      The OU does not charge an annual fee, but by the course. The current prices for the courses I did are comparable. Jeez, I 've just checked and the prices are 3 to 4 times more than a few years ago.

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                      Welcome to the future.

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                      • N Nagy Vilmos

                        jim lahey wrote:

                        Can I do a Masters in Software Development despite having no undergraduate qualification?

                        Anywhere you go, they'll ask for a degree to do a masters; except an MBA were you just need to be a Sunshine.

                        jim lahey wrote:

                        spend up to £40k in tuition fees

                        My degree, completed 2 years ago, cost me in the order £4,500.

                        jim lahey wrote:

                        Do I have to do the assignments in Java et al?

                        Everything was done in Java at the time I studied. There was discussion about using C# as well, but Java remains the Language du Jour in Academia. This is the degree[^] I read and I did learn some new and valuable skills through it. Hope this helps.

                        Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol

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                        Nagy Vilmos wrote:

                        Anywhere you go, they'll ask for a degree to do a maste

                        Depends, taught MSc tend to want a degree or at least n-years related experience. I enrolled on my MSc on the basis of the latter.

                        Nagy Vilmos wrote:

                        except an MBA were you just need to be a Sunshine

                        That is universal For the OP: On taught degrees you are normally exposed to several languages. On my course [^] we primarily used c++. But we were exposed to: Java, 86006 Assembler, Prolog, CLIPS, and ADA (because the parallelism and concurrency lecturer hadn't updated his notes, he also failed to update the copyright notices (which were 15 years old). We had a couple of projects (including the final dissertation) where we were free to choose whatever languages we liked. My understanding is that research degrees are basically limited to what you can agree with your supervisor and are therefore flexible.

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                        • N Nagy Vilmos

                          In the UK, there is the Open University[^], here it is well regarded and offers very good choices. The availability of some courses overseas is restricted but it may well be worth trying. I completed a degree with them a few years ago and I know Dave Auld is about to finish his as well.

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                          R Giskard Reventlov
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                          I would second the OU: at the tail-end of a degree and have, for the most part, enjoyed it. Well worth doing if you are able to - the support is excellent.

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                          • O Oshtri Deka

                            I would like earn a masters degree in software engineering, IT or similar. As an employed person (and commuter) I have two solid options: to earn one on-campus or online. Only school in my country which doesn't require relocation and has lecture hours suitable for employed students is my Alma mater, but it struggles with recognition when it comes to IT degrees. As I said, getting online degree is another option. Most programmes I like are offered by British and Swedish universities. As there are much more schools in UK I am having trouble in choosing. Most Universities ranking lists I have found are too general (history, size, budget, sports...).

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                            I just happened on a University of Liverpool ad and am awaiting a response. Maybe see if they look good to you.

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                              I just happened on a University of Liverpool ad and am awaiting a response. Maybe see if they look good to you.

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                              Oshtri Deka
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                              I've heard nice things about them, but from what I have seen, they are too expensive for me.

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                              • K Keith Barrow

                                Nagy Vilmos wrote:

                                Anywhere you go, they'll ask for a degree to do a maste

                                Depends, taught MSc tend to want a degree or at least n-years related experience. I enrolled on my MSc on the basis of the latter.

                                Nagy Vilmos wrote:

                                except an MBA were you just need to be a Sunshine

                                That is universal For the OP: On taught degrees you are normally exposed to several languages. On my course [^] we primarily used c++. But we were exposed to: Java, 86006 Assembler, Prolog, CLIPS, and ADA (because the parallelism and concurrency lecturer hadn't updated his notes, he also failed to update the copyright notices (which were 15 years old). We had a couple of projects (including the final dissertation) where we were free to choose whatever languages we liked. My understanding is that research degrees are basically limited to what you can agree with your supervisor and are therefore flexible.

                                “Education is not the piling on of learning, information, data, facts, skills, or abilities - that's training or instruction - but is rather making visible what is hidden as a seed”
                                “One of the greatest problems of our time is that many are schooled but few are educated”

                                Sir Thomas More (1478 – 1535)

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                                Oshtri Deka
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                                Thanks, for insight.

                                Mislim, dakle jeo sam.

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