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Employment agreements - written or not?

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    liquid_
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    I've read somewhere on the net that employees in US mostly do not have a written employment agreement. Is that really so? How about developers and programmers?

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      I've read somewhere on the net that employees in US mostly do not have a written employment agreement. Is that really so? How about developers and programmers?

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      AspDotNetDev
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      Depends on the location and what you mean by "agreement".

      Thou mewling ill-breeding pignut!

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        Depends on the location and what you mean by "agreement".

        Thou mewling ill-breeding pignut!

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        employment agreement - contract between employer and employee

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          I've read somewhere on the net that employees in US mostly do not have a written employment agreement. Is that really so? How about developers and programmers?

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          H Brydon
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          Bzzzt! I work in the US and have had a written agreement with every employer since 1985, continuing even after employment ceases.

          -- Harvey

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            I've read somewhere on the net that employees in US mostly do not have a written employment agreement. Is that really so? How about developers and programmers?

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            Joezer BH
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            Where did you read it, in http://www.thingsThatAreNot.true ?

            Never underestimate the difference you can make in the lives of others.

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              Where did you read it, in http://www.thingsThatAreNot.true ?

              Never underestimate the difference you can make in the lives of others.

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              liquid_
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              Just here: http://www.asktheheadhunter.com/gv050701.htm[^]

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                I've read somewhere on the net that employees in US mostly do not have a written employment agreement. Is that really so? How about developers and programmers?

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                Lost User
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                That has to be the biggest lie ever. No one would take a risk like that, especially since there's no reason for it. Unless, of course, you're planning from the start to violate the agreement.

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                  Just here: http://www.asktheheadhunter.com/gv050701.htm[^]

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                  Joezer BH
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                  Well, it's there, chars upon screen it is! :doh: :) In most cases though if the situation were to blow up, and reach court of law, not having a contract will work against the company.

                  Never underestimate the difference you can make in the lives of others.

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                    That has to be the biggest lie ever. No one would take a risk like that, especially since there's no reason for it. Unless, of course, you're planning from the start to violate the agreement.

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                    harold aptroot wrote:

                    the biggest lie ever

                    Bigger even than "I do" - or the other one I can't say because of KSS rules.

                    MVVM # - I did it My Way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')

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                      harold aptroot wrote:

                      the biggest lie ever

                      Bigger even than "I do" - or the other one I can't say because of KSS rules.

                      MVVM # - I did it My Way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')

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                      No you're right, that's an even bigger lie.

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                        harold aptroot wrote:

                        the biggest lie ever

                        Bigger even than "I do" - or the other one I can't say because of KSS rules.

                        MVVM # - I did it My Way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')

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                        liquid_
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                        Now, I'd like to ask what is KSS? Anyway, I wonder why someone who runs a private legal practice tells "the biggest lie ever". I thought that there was at least a little bit truth in it. Things aren't so bad as in mentioned text then.

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                          Now, I'd like to ask what is KSS? Anyway, I wonder why someone who runs a private legal practice tells "the biggest lie ever". I thought that there was at least a little bit truth in it. Things aren't so bad as in mentioned text then.

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                          From the Lounge 'rules' "If you're about to post something you wouldn't want your kid sister to read" KSS = Kis Sister Safe

                          MVVM # - I did it My Way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')

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                            From the Lounge 'rules' "If you're about to post something you wouldn't want your kid sister to read" KSS = Kis Sister Safe

                            MVVM # - I did it My Way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')

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                            _Maxxx_ wrote:

                            KSS = Kis Sister Safe

                            So Australia and Alabama have something in common!

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                              I've read somewhere on the net that employees in US mostly do not have a written employment agreement. Is that really so? How about developers and programmers?

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                              Joe Woodbury
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                              For salaried employees, most have an employment agreement though they are largely unnecessary since most simply repeat state and federal law. In a few cases, they violate the law and are unenforceable, which is actually pretty risky since if there are too many errors in a contract, a judge may strike it down in its entirety. One thing to remember is that once you have started a job, in general the company has to give you some remuneration in order to have you sign a new employment contract. I've had this happen to me twice and both times the new contract was absurd. (The first time, everyone in the company refused to sign. In the second, the new contract was a cut and paste monstrosity which violated the law and contradicted itself multiple times. I wrote up a list of specific changes they would need to make, but they stubbornly refused to do so and eventually dropped the matter.) Note: When you work for someone as an employee, your work is automatically a word-for-hire, so you don't need to specifically transfer copyright and/or patent rights for any work you do. I don't know why so many people don't understand that.

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                                I've read somewhere on the net that employees in US mostly do not have a written employment agreement. Is that really so? How about developers and programmers?

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                                Roger Wright
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                                I've worked in a variety of industries over the past 44 years and never seen an employment agreement, nor heard of anyone who has one until this job. Here, only my boss, the GM, has a written agreement.

                                Will Rogers never met me.

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                                  I've worked in a variety of industries over the past 44 years and never seen an employment agreement, nor heard of anyone who has one until this job. Here, only my boss, the GM, has a written agreement.

                                  Will Rogers never met me.

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                                  liquid_
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                                  In case you want some vacation or are sick or need a free day, what rules apply? State or federal law or talk to the boss? I live in Europe where written contracts are standard and verbal are even penalized in some circumstances.

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                                    In case you want some vacation or are sick or need a free day, what rules apply? State or federal law or talk to the boss? I live in Europe where written contracts are standard and verbal are even penalized in some circumstances.

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                                    Most companies here have a written set of policies that spell out what benefits accrue to employees each year. For instance, at my current company, new hires get 1 week of vacation after 6 months of service, 2 weeks after a full year, then 3 weeks after the fifth year of service. At 10 years I believe that jumps to 4 weeks, then grows by 1 day per year for each year thereafter. Sick leave is set at about 3 days per year, but up to 10 days can be accumulated if not used. Collecting this time off is subject to the boss' whim, but a timely request is rarely denied.

                                    Will Rogers never met me.

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