Being a developer is....cool?
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I hired a female dev yesterday. She was the best applicant by a MILE.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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So I was asked by a friend of the family a few months ago to set up a mine craft server for her son (who at the age of ten quite rightly was a little out of his depth). Once the server was set up the boy reported to his Mother how all the other kids were jealous that they could play on "Jake's Awesome Server" and that the boy had been the source of envy throught-out lower school. I have also noticed a strong following with developers who blog, specifically those who create apps, those who download them tend to show more of an interest in developers these days. When I started to look around at blogs, forums and other online media I found myself having to google information about Developer Evangelists who I have seen just about everywhere. With movies like "The social network" and cults based around great men like Steve Jobs is it now cool to be a developer (or indeed a geek)?
Simon Lee Shugar (Software Developer) www.simonshugar.co.uk "You can be a king or a street sweeper, but everybody dances with the grim reaper" - Robert Alton Harris
I have to beat the ladies off with a sh1tty stick, it's that cool.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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I have to beat the ladies off with a sh1tty stick, it's that cool.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easierYes - but unfortunately that says more about the type of lady than it does about your tech-magnetism!
MVVM # - I did it My Way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
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When I first started if someone asked me what I did I would struggle to come up with a title that would adequately describe the job. I settled on "I work in IT" and watched their eyes glaze over. Better was "I get paid to play with computers" which I always thought was closer to the truth. Their eyes still glazed. Nowadays I just say I'm a developer as I can't be asked to fix everyone's computer problems for nothing. An example would be a taxi driver friend that had a problem with his pc that I fixed. When I asked him for a ride to the airport he wanted to charge me. What the elephant? I didn't charge you to fix your computer!!! :)
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me me, in pictures
That's a real shame. Taxi drivers are supposed to be cool.
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Yes - but unfortunately that says more about the type of lady than it does about your tech-magnetism!
MVVM # - I did it My Way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
Female geeks are in paradise and they know it. Gawky, strangely dressed, yet somehow attractive. They hold the salvation of socially isolated devs. I could do with one. Instead I built a World Domination Cave, with wifi everything on a 40 inch monitor, and started blogging my recordings of BBC News to a small and equally sad following worldwide. I may have to start calling myself 'Stark Staring Oddfinger'. ;)
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So I was asked by a friend of the family a few months ago to set up a mine craft server for her son (who at the age of ten quite rightly was a little out of his depth). Once the server was set up the boy reported to his Mother how all the other kids were jealous that they could play on "Jake's Awesome Server" and that the boy had been the source of envy throught-out lower school. I have also noticed a strong following with developers who blog, specifically those who create apps, those who download them tend to show more of an interest in developers these days. When I started to look around at blogs, forums and other online media I found myself having to google information about Developer Evangelists who I have seen just about everywhere. With movies like "The social network" and cults based around great men like Steve Jobs is it now cool to be a developer (or indeed a geek)?
Simon Lee Shugar (Software Developer) www.simonshugar.co.uk "You can be a king or a street sweeper, but everybody dances with the grim reaper" - Robert Alton Harris
Could it also be related to the rise in Developer Evangelists lately also? Preach the word!
Simon Lee Shugar (Software Developer) www.simonshugar.co.uk "You can be a king or a street sweeper, but everybody dances with the grim reaper" - Robert Alton Harris
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So I was asked by a friend of the family a few months ago to set up a mine craft server for her son (who at the age of ten quite rightly was a little out of his depth). Once the server was set up the boy reported to his Mother how all the other kids were jealous that they could play on "Jake's Awesome Server" and that the boy had been the source of envy throught-out lower school. I have also noticed a strong following with developers who blog, specifically those who create apps, those who download them tend to show more of an interest in developers these days. When I started to look around at blogs, forums and other online media I found myself having to google information about Developer Evangelists who I have seen just about everywhere. With movies like "The social network" and cults based around great men like Steve Jobs is it now cool to be a developer (or indeed a geek)?
Simon Lee Shugar (Software Developer) www.simonshugar.co.uk "You can be a king or a street sweeper, but everybody dances with the grim reaper" - Robert Alton Harris
Simon Lee Shugar wrote: is it now cool to be a developer (or indeed a geek)? Nope. Still not cool. Making lots of money can make up for that, though. "I am rarely happier than when spending entire day programming my computer to perform automatically a task that it would otherwise take me a good ten seconds to do by hand." - Douglas Adams
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When I first started if someone asked me what I did I would struggle to come up with a title that would adequately describe the job. I settled on "I work in IT" and watched their eyes glaze over. Better was "I get paid to play with computers" which I always thought was closer to the truth. Their eyes still glazed. Nowadays I just say I'm a developer as I can't be asked to fix everyone's computer problems for nothing. An example would be a taxi driver friend that had a problem with his pc that I fixed. When I asked him for a ride to the airport he wanted to charge me. What the elephant? I didn't charge you to fix your computer!!! :)
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me me, in pictures
Totally uncool of him. If he knows that you don't make your living doing break/fix PC work and he does make a living driving a taxi (especially if he's just a hack working for someone else where every mile has to be accounted for) then he sees them as being different. Still sucks though - how did you ultimately handle that?
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It sure is not girl repellent as it was in the 80s.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Yeah, but I only reveal my trade to them after I showed them I'm funny and not weird.
To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson ---- Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia
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Well, I still think there's probably tons of girls who prefer jocks. And I was overjoyed to see a great female dev, they are still thin on the ground, overall.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
I am from London and girls think that web development is pretty cool on the whole. There are now quite a lot of young devs that don't fit the typical geek profile whilst still being geeky about code. I guess it's about how you come across, but there is certainly less stigma associated with it. Of course that depends on what kind of development too.
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Well, I still think there's probably tons of girls who prefer jocks. And I was overjoyed to see a great female dev, they are still thin on the ground, overall.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Seems to me that once you cross that year 30 threshold, ladies lose interest in those jocks who are, most likely, flipping burgers for a living. In my experience, ladies find developers sexy. Cause we're successful and we have money. But also cause we're sexy. And not flipping burgers for a living.
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Totally uncool of him. If he knows that you don't make your living doing break/fix PC work and he does make a living driving a taxi (especially if he's just a hack working for someone else where every mile has to be accounted for) then he sees them as being different. Still sucks though - how did you ultimately handle that?
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how did you ultimately handle that?
Told him next time he asked for help I'd charge him the going rate. Never asked me again.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me me, in pictures
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I am sick of people thinking 'app' means something more complex or out there than 'a program for a mobile platform'.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
I am pretty sure that they are not thinking that 'app' is something more complex, but they think it is much cooler. ;) For general audience something more complex is less cooler, something shiny and small is much more cooler.
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So I was asked by a friend of the family a few months ago to set up a mine craft server for her son (who at the age of ten quite rightly was a little out of his depth). Once the server was set up the boy reported to his Mother how all the other kids were jealous that they could play on "Jake's Awesome Server" and that the boy had been the source of envy throught-out lower school. I have also noticed a strong following with developers who blog, specifically those who create apps, those who download them tend to show more of an interest in developers these days. When I started to look around at blogs, forums and other online media I found myself having to google information about Developer Evangelists who I have seen just about everywhere. With movies like "The social network" and cults based around great men like Steve Jobs is it now cool to be a developer (or indeed a geek)?
Simon Lee Shugar (Software Developer) www.simonshugar.co.uk "You can be a king or a street sweeper, but everybody dances with the grim reaper" - Robert Alton Harris
Yes,being a developer is great...Just don't get stuck with maintenance; such testing...Because if you do and you don't have any side programming hobbies you could loose your craft!!! :laugh: However, it is much better to be a Developer and not just program because most of the simple programming jobs will be eaten by wysiwyg programs; like Windows 8 metro and VB...So I would definitely tell a one language programmer to learn networking, troubleshooting, documentation and design; or you will be extinct like TRex; and I am not talking about Tree Regular Expressions for XML (TREX) is a simple schema language :omg: for XML.
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Well, I still think there's probably tons of girls who prefer jocks. And I was overjoyed to see a great female dev, they are still thin on the ground, overall.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Why Jocks? Is it the red hair or the mystery of the kilt?
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Perhaps there is a subtle reference here or something else I'm missing but I'm worried many people will view this comment as sexist. Regardless of how innocent the intent was the implication seems to be that the woman was hired because she is pretty. Sometimes I think we go too far in self censorship and always trying to say the right thing but I believe the large majority of women would find this comment offensive. Of course I can't speak for all women because I'm just an insensitive, dolt of a man who barely understands one of them. However, chances are good that if I found the remark off putting many women would too. The problem is that if a woman sees this comment and concludes it reflects your true beliefs she may decide to not apply for your job offer or choose not to collaborate with you on a project. If Christian's assessment of this woman's abilities is accurate then in this case you would be denying yourself the opportunity to work with the most talented person. As a side note, you appear to have quoted another member but changed the quoted text making it look like they said something they didn't. I'm sure you can empathize with the difficulties many people have using words placed in their mouths by someone else. If you were directly quoting Christian and Christian later changed his original post then my sincere apologies for the accusation.
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Perhaps there is a subtle reference here or something else I'm missing but I'm worried many people will view this comment as sexist. Regardless of how innocent the intent was the implication seems to be that the woman was hired because she is pretty. Sometimes I think we go too far in self censorship and always trying to say the right thing but I believe the large majority of women would find this comment offensive. Of course I can't speak for all women because I'm just an insensitive, dolt of a man who barely understands one of them. However, chances are good that if I found the remark off putting many women would too. The problem is that if a woman sees this comment and concludes it reflects your true beliefs she may decide to not apply for your job offer or choose not to collaborate with you on a project. If Christian's assessment of this woman's abilities is accurate then in this case you would be denying yourself the opportunity to work with the most talented person. As a side note, you appear to have quoted another member but changed the quoted text making it look like they said something they didn't. I'm sure you can empathize with the difficulties many people have using words placed in their mouths by someone else. If you were directly quoting Christian and Christian later changed his original post then my sincere apologies for the accusation.
Quoting someone and highlighting a part usually empties that the quoter is changing it from its original quote and you're letting them know that. My change in this case implied a pun. The implied sexism is just that, an implied sexism. I know many an attractive woman that have a brain on them. I doubt anyone would hire for a technical (IT or otherwise) position based on looks alone, both men and women. Women in IT are less found than men. Attractive women more so. If a woman in IT is attractive, chances are she's highly intelligent, otherwise she wouldn't work out. As for my pun and the others that you see here, we know better than to speak or act like this at our respective offices. Although I know a couple of women who can give as good as they get. You just have to know who you're joking with. Here it's just good ribbing.
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Quoting someone and highlighting a part usually empties that the quoter is changing it from its original quote and you're letting them know that. My change in this case implied a pun. The implied sexism is just that, an implied sexism. I know many an attractive woman that have a brain on them. I doubt anyone would hire for a technical (IT or otherwise) position based on looks alone, both men and women. Women in IT are less found than men. Attractive women more so. If a woman in IT is attractive, chances are she's highly intelligent, otherwise she wouldn't work out. As for my pun and the others that you see here, we know better than to speak or act like this at our respective offices. Although I know a couple of women who can give as good as they get. You just have to know who you're joking with. Here it's just good ribbing.
Yes, my apologies. I didn't notice the "S" was bold. The combination of it being with all cap text and a single letter made it invisible to me until you pointed it out. For the little that I use the forum I guess I'm accustomed to seeing edited quotes like this prefixed with something like "Did you mean..." or the edit itself being more extensive so things like strike through or italics can be used to really make it stand out. There are limits to what anyone can reasonably do to make the addition of a single character stand out. Besides not noticing the bold I guess part of the reason I felt Christian was being misquoted is the context. Had you said, "You are missing an optional S" I think I would have understood the S wasn't there originally even with no highlighting or access to the source text. "The S is optional" line makes me think you just added parentheses to Christian's use of SMILE. Of course in that case you probably would have only made the the parenthesis bold and I probably would have still missed it. It's only four words and no one can be responsible for every misinterpretation of what they write. My apologies again for my misreading.
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It sure is not girl repellent as it was in the 80s.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
All the nerdy developers get the hot chicks, right? ;P Now the very successful (i.e. rich) ones have a better chance getting them.. but that might be more about the money and not what they do (not many would pass up a financially "better" life, unless the tradeoffs were bad enough). [No offense intended by use of the term "chicks".. just using it for a more sarcastic context]