Why aren't there more women in programming? Siren of Shame makes it obvious.
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After following the recent link in CP's daily news to the SoS[^] website I couldn't help but think, here is a perfect example of why there aren't more women in programming. I really can't speak for women, because I'm a sexist pig (and let me apologize right now to any pigs that are reading this), but I imagine the large majority of women would be completely repulsed by working in such an environment. Actually, it's hard for me to imagine anyone over the age of 25 not getting sick of it pretty quickly. I think feedback, competition, and fun are all useful tools in increasing productivity and job satisfaction but this application seems to be written with teenage boys as the audience. Everything is a competition and your ego is the stake. The whole thing seems to be geared towards saying I'm smart, I'm better than you, you're a stupid idiot. If you want to stroke your ego in such a way then go get the latest version of Halo or Call of Duty and don't waste your time diluting the experience with the pretense of work. However, if you want to build something great. Something better than what is possible alone, you have to foster collaboration. I think an application like this would actually be detrimental to the long term productivity of any software house in at least two ways besides inhibiting female participation. First, it discourages collaboration because like in a first-person-shooter where my goal is to frag my opponents I succeed when others fail. I didn't scrutinize the application but I didn't see the section where you get hero points for helping someone else. You get your jollies by boosting your own stats and laughing at the ineptness of others. Except in the most dysfunctional and juvenile environments I doubt this would lead to a total breakdown of collaboration but it would act as a gentle headwind that slowly puts your team further and further behind its potential. The second problem is that it will probably lead to the gaming of the gaming system. People might start doing things like making micro commits because that gives them a better score. The impacts would probably be subtle, almost imperceptible at first. But over time the differences would accumulate until you found the entire heart of your code had eroded away. Of course, if you were impatient you could probably
Nathan Nowak wrote:
why there aren't more women in programming.
Obviously you haven't met Barara, a weight lifter co-worker. She could put me on her sholdres and do deep knee bends. She was also a very good developer. Needless to say not many males objected to her design opinions, except me. I kept her honest, which she liked about me.
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Fact #1: Programming = total control (over an "inanimate" something) [Biological] Fact #2: The male of most species, human included, thrive on total control (over any & everything they can). Some may equate the above as: Biological Total Control = shame anyone else in order to stay in control This, I'm confident, is true in more than just a few instances/environments/persons, but certainly not every such of the same. Many qualify that women are wired, for the most part, to be submissive; this is derived from the 3 top faiths in the world, which hold to this in some capacity/form/measure. How "deep" that measure goes is subjective solely by the person, usually the male, measuring it. In flowing with the "wired" perspective, it is often held, and reasonably at that, that women are also wired for "caring" for others [children, husband, others; animate that they are]. Computers don't need care, don't care to be cared for, and don't have the capacity to even care to be cared for! Why would someone who doesn't a) desire to be controlling over an inanimate; b) would rather be caring for something animate (i.e., a child or their spouse); c) is not wanting to be shamed (and, candidly, is not designed/wired for dealing with such); d) nor care for something that doesn't need caring for in the first place want to be involved with that "something" (inanimate that it is) when they well-know men, who is is designed/wired for dealing with such, seek just the opposite of such? By their (women) very nature, they don't! Thus, they (women), by their very nature, choose what is natural ~ that of caring for others. This is not to say that women can not program, for they do. I've worked with some brilliant programmer gals and guys. While not *the* answer, I present it with exceeding confidence it is a reasonable and valid answer.
BCantor wrote:
Fact #1: Programming = total control (over an "inanimate" something)
Well, I dispute that, so there seems no point reading further. While you could say programmers have total control over a computer, that's patently not what they are doing. Dev's don't sit there with some sort of "bwahahahaha, bend to my will, weakling"attitude. (OK, well, P O'H probably does, but I'm generalising) Some are at one with the computer - nurturing it, caressing it and moulding it how they want it to be (Hmm, what does that sound like?) Some are engineers at heart, taking rules and building blocks to construct something new. Some are artists, seeing the beauty of code, and the majesty of systems. Some are twats.
MVVM # - I did it My Way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
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Nathan Nowak wrote:
why there aren't more women in programming.
Obviously you haven't met Barara, a weight lifter co-worker. She could put me on her sholdres and do deep knee bends. She was also a very good developer. Needless to say not many males objected to her design opinions, except me. I kept her honest, which she liked about me.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
Think inside the box! ProActive Secure Systems
I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopesJimmyRopes wrote:
She could put me on her sholdres and do deep knee bends.
Could, or did? ;)
MVVM # - I did it My Way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
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After following the recent link in CP's daily news to the SoS[^] website I couldn't help but think, here is a perfect example of why there aren't more women in programming. I really can't speak for women, because I'm a sexist pig (and let me apologize right now to any pigs that are reading this), but I imagine the large majority of women would be completely repulsed by working in such an environment. Actually, it's hard for me to imagine anyone over the age of 25 not getting sick of it pretty quickly. I think feedback, competition, and fun are all useful tools in increasing productivity and job satisfaction but this application seems to be written with teenage boys as the audience. Everything is a competition and your ego is the stake. The whole thing seems to be geared towards saying I'm smart, I'm better than you, you're a stupid idiot. If you want to stroke your ego in such a way then go get the latest version of Halo or Call of Duty and don't waste your time diluting the experience with the pretense of work. However, if you want to build something great. Something better than what is possible alone, you have to foster collaboration. I think an application like this would actually be detrimental to the long term productivity of any software house in at least two ways besides inhibiting female participation. First, it discourages collaboration because like in a first-person-shooter where my goal is to frag my opponents I succeed when others fail. I didn't scrutinize the application but I didn't see the section where you get hero points for helping someone else. You get your jollies by boosting your own stats and laughing at the ineptness of others. Except in the most dysfunctional and juvenile environments I doubt this would lead to a total breakdown of collaboration but it would act as a gentle headwind that slowly puts your team further and further behind its potential. The second problem is that it will probably lead to the gaming of the gaming system. People might start doing things like making micro commits because that gives them a better score. The impacts would probably be subtle, almost imperceptible at first. But over time the differences would accumulate until you found the entire heart of your code had eroded away. Of course, if you were impatient you could probably
Nathan Nowak wrote:
...it discourages collaboration because like in a first-person-shooter where my goal is to frag my opponents I succeed when others fail. I didn't scrutinize the application but I didn't see the section where you get hero points for helping someone else. You get your jollies by boosting your own stats and laughing at the ineptness of others...
Oh well, no more upvotes from me.
-- Harvey
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After following the recent link in CP's daily news to the SoS[^] website I couldn't help but think, here is a perfect example of why there aren't more women in programming. I really can't speak for women, because I'm a sexist pig (and let me apologize right now to any pigs that are reading this), but I imagine the large majority of women would be completely repulsed by working in such an environment. Actually, it's hard for me to imagine anyone over the age of 25 not getting sick of it pretty quickly. I think feedback, competition, and fun are all useful tools in increasing productivity and job satisfaction but this application seems to be written with teenage boys as the audience. Everything is a competition and your ego is the stake. The whole thing seems to be geared towards saying I'm smart, I'm better than you, you're a stupid idiot. If you want to stroke your ego in such a way then go get the latest version of Halo or Call of Duty and don't waste your time diluting the experience with the pretense of work. However, if you want to build something great. Something better than what is possible alone, you have to foster collaboration. I think an application like this would actually be detrimental to the long term productivity of any software house in at least two ways besides inhibiting female participation. First, it discourages collaboration because like in a first-person-shooter where my goal is to frag my opponents I succeed when others fail. I didn't scrutinize the application but I didn't see the section where you get hero points for helping someone else. You get your jollies by boosting your own stats and laughing at the ineptness of others. Except in the most dysfunctional and juvenile environments I doubt this would lead to a total breakdown of collaboration but it would act as a gentle headwind that slowly puts your team further and further behind its potential. The second problem is that it will probably lead to the gaming of the gaming system. People might start doing things like making micro commits because that gives them a better score. The impacts would probably be subtle, almost imperceptible at first. But over time the differences would accumulate until you found the entire heart of your code had eroded away. Of course, if you were impatient you could probably
Without trying to be too serious... (And sorry, this has nothing to do with SoS) There aren't as many women in programming because women empathize. They think being nice to the computer would get things to happen. "Aww, you're not having a good day, are you. Well, why don't you have a nice cuppa and come back and see if you can compile my code for me." They're also not very good at being descriptive and precise. "Go around this loop for a bit till you get bored and see if that works. Stop if the counter is a bit bigger than it is now, but not too big." And of course, women are chatty so once they start writing comments they don't stop till they end up writing a whole Bridget Jones's Diary, or Mary Smith's Cook Book or whatever. ;P ;P ;P
Almost, but not quite, entirely unlike... me...
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Without trying to be too serious... (And sorry, this has nothing to do with SoS) There aren't as many women in programming because women empathize. They think being nice to the computer would get things to happen. "Aww, you're not having a good day, are you. Well, why don't you have a nice cuppa and come back and see if you can compile my code for me." They're also not very good at being descriptive and precise. "Go around this loop for a bit till you get bored and see if that works. Stop if the counter is a bit bigger than it is now, but not too big." And of course, women are chatty so once they start writing comments they don't stop till they end up writing a whole Bridget Jones's Diary, or Mary Smith's Cook Book or whatever. ;P ;P ;P
Almost, but not quite, entirely unlike... me...
I hope for your sake that there are no women nearby who might read this and have access to sharp objects ...
MVVM # - I did it My Way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
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I hope for your sake that there are no women nearby who might read this and have access to sharp objects ...
MVVM # - I did it My Way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
I do mention this from time to time, but I AM a woman! :laugh: Seriously! So unless I stab myself, I'm quite safe, thank you!
Almost, but not quite, entirely unlike... me...
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I do mention this from time to time, but I AM a woman! :laugh: Seriously! So unless I stab myself, I'm quite safe, thank you!
Almost, but not quite, entirely unlike... me...
Put DOWN those scissors... Stand away from the stapler. I didn't know/had forgotten (how can one tell which?) you didn't have a willy. Still- I doubt some Greenwich Common Women's Rights lefty would check before letting you have it with the closest weapon! (not that there's anything wrong with Greenwich Common Women's Rights lefties)
MVVM # - I did it My Way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
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Fact #1: Programming = total control (over an "inanimate" something) [Biological] Fact #2: The male of most species, human included, thrive on total control (over any & everything they can). Some may equate the above as: Biological Total Control = shame anyone else in order to stay in control This, I'm confident, is true in more than just a few instances/environments/persons, but certainly not every such of the same. Many qualify that women are wired, for the most part, to be submissive; this is derived from the 3 top faiths in the world, which hold to this in some capacity/form/measure. How "deep" that measure goes is subjective solely by the person, usually the male, measuring it. In flowing with the "wired" perspective, it is often held, and reasonably at that, that women are also wired for "caring" for others [children, husband, others; animate that they are]. Computers don't need care, don't care to be cared for, and don't have the capacity to even care to be cared for! Why would someone who doesn't a) desire to be controlling over an inanimate; b) would rather be caring for something animate (i.e., a child or their spouse); c) is not wanting to be shamed (and, candidly, is not designed/wired for dealing with such); d) nor care for something that doesn't need caring for in the first place want to be involved with that "something" (inanimate that it is) when they well-know men, who is is designed/wired for dealing with such, seek just the opposite of such? By their (women) very nature, they don't! Thus, they (women), by their very nature, choose what is natural ~ that of caring for others. This is not to say that women can not program, for they do. I've worked with some brilliant programmer gals and guys. While not *the* answer, I present it with exceeding confidence it is a reasonable and valid answer.
Nice job, erasing, in a testosterolalic tsunami of non-sequiturs, and invidious comparisons, using pseudo-factoids, the historical achievements of women in the evolution of "computation," from Ada, Countess Lovelace, through Grace Hopper, and on ... and on. I suspect you have an experience-deficit with mistresses who wear leather, rather than cotton aprons, or you are living in a 1950's American sit-com playing on a black-and-white 9x6 inch screen, the latest PlayBoy editorial by Hugh Hefner within reach. I will offer prayers to the Great Mother on your behalf. She is merciful ! yours, Bill
“Humans are amphibians: half spirit, half animal; as spirits they belong to the eternal world; as animals they inhabit time. While their spirit can be directed to an eternal object, their bodies, passions, and imagination are in continual change, for to be in time, means to change. Their nearest approach to constancy is undulation: repeated return to a level from which they repeatedly fall back, a series of troughs and peaks.” C.S. Lewis
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After following the recent link in CP's daily news to the SoS[^] website I couldn't help but think, here is a perfect example of why there aren't more women in programming. I really can't speak for women, because I'm a sexist pig (and let me apologize right now to any pigs that are reading this), but I imagine the large majority of women would be completely repulsed by working in such an environment. Actually, it's hard for me to imagine anyone over the age of 25 not getting sick of it pretty quickly. I think feedback, competition, and fun are all useful tools in increasing productivity and job satisfaction but this application seems to be written with teenage boys as the audience. Everything is a competition and your ego is the stake. The whole thing seems to be geared towards saying I'm smart, I'm better than you, you're a stupid idiot. If you want to stroke your ego in such a way then go get the latest version of Halo or Call of Duty and don't waste your time diluting the experience with the pretense of work. However, if you want to build something great. Something better than what is possible alone, you have to foster collaboration. I think an application like this would actually be detrimental to the long term productivity of any software house in at least two ways besides inhibiting female participation. First, it discourages collaboration because like in a first-person-shooter where my goal is to frag my opponents I succeed when others fail. I didn't scrutinize the application but I didn't see the section where you get hero points for helping someone else. You get your jollies by boosting your own stats and laughing at the ineptness of others. Except in the most dysfunctional and juvenile environments I doubt this would lead to a total breakdown of collaboration but it would act as a gentle headwind that slowly puts your team further and further behind its potential. The second problem is that it will probably lead to the gaming of the gaming system. People might start doing things like making micro commits because that gives them a better score. The impacts would probably be subtle, almost imperceptible at first. But over time the differences would accumulate until you found the entire heart of your code had eroded away. Of course, if you were impatient you could probably
Not doing a statistic here, but here's what I collected. 1. A vast majority of them cannot differentiate left/right. Now go write an if-then-else. 2. They cannot follow a point to the very last detail. Translation: countless re-reverse programming to achieve things never considered. 3. They cannot control complexity (and programming is controlling complexity, no?). At all. Let's make it look good on UI, and we're dealing with SwitchDesktop later. 4. And my personal one: women are masters of raising exceptions (from the blatant interruption on phone, Skype, verbal etc. just in the point when finally you got your stack trace), but they cannot handle them. If a woman is interrupting you, is normal; if you interrupt one, it's hell unleashed. Seriously. Interview one with 5 guys playing Starcraft on background and yelling "send the goddam zealots !! I'm eliminated !!!". This is a part of the test to measure stress resistance (no, I'm not kidding - and I completed the test while laughing how bad they were playing in the same time :D). 5. And finally, my favorite. Lack of resilience. Watch one loading MS PDBs, doing .reload, !analyze -v, !kb etc. until the bug is found. I didn't see a single case as of today (and I got 16 years in the field). I did see, however, deer eyes looking at a OK/Cancel message box (__purecall included) from 4:40 to 18:00. Time to go home. (Next day at 9:40 the crash was still there). Make me a sexist pig or not - there is nothing invented here. Just observations during time.
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Not doing a statistic here, but here's what I collected. 1. A vast majority of them cannot differentiate left/right. Now go write an if-then-else. 2. They cannot follow a point to the very last detail. Translation: countless re-reverse programming to achieve things never considered. 3. They cannot control complexity (and programming is controlling complexity, no?). At all. Let's make it look good on UI, and we're dealing with SwitchDesktop later. 4. And my personal one: women are masters of raising exceptions (from the blatant interruption on phone, Skype, verbal etc. just in the point when finally you got your stack trace), but they cannot handle them. If a woman is interrupting you, is normal; if you interrupt one, it's hell unleashed. Seriously. Interview one with 5 guys playing Starcraft on background and yelling "send the goddam zealots !! I'm eliminated !!!". This is a part of the test to measure stress resistance (no, I'm not kidding - and I completed the test while laughing how bad they were playing in the same time :D). 5. And finally, my favorite. Lack of resilience. Watch one loading MS PDBs, doing .reload, !analyze -v, !kb etc. until the bug is found. I didn't see a single case as of today (and I got 16 years in the field). I did see, however, deer eyes looking at a OK/Cancel message box (__purecall included) from 4:40 to 18:00. Time to go home. (Next day at 9:40 the crash was still there). Make me a sexist pig or not - there is nothing invented here. Just observations during time.
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Please supply your address so that my black belt wife (who is one of the best coders I know) can come round and smack your sexist hide around.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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Without trying to be too serious... (And sorry, this has nothing to do with SoS) There aren't as many women in programming because women empathize. They think being nice to the computer would get things to happen. "Aww, you're not having a good day, are you. Well, why don't you have a nice cuppa and come back and see if you can compile my code for me." They're also not very good at being descriptive and precise. "Go around this loop for a bit till you get bored and see if that works. Stop if the counter is a bit bigger than it is now, but not too big." And of course, women are chatty so once they start writing comments they don't stop till they end up writing a whole Bridget Jones's Diary, or Mary Smith's Cook Book or whatever. ;P ;P ;P
Almost, but not quite, entirely unlike... me...
I hate to have to say this, but there's many a true word spoken in jest.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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After following the recent link in CP's daily news to the SoS[^] website I couldn't help but think, here is a perfect example of why there aren't more women in programming. I really can't speak for women, because I'm a sexist pig (and let me apologize right now to any pigs that are reading this), but I imagine the large majority of women would be completely repulsed by working in such an environment. Actually, it's hard for me to imagine anyone over the age of 25 not getting sick of it pretty quickly. I think feedback, competition, and fun are all useful tools in increasing productivity and job satisfaction but this application seems to be written with teenage boys as the audience. Everything is a competition and your ego is the stake. The whole thing seems to be geared towards saying I'm smart, I'm better than you, you're a stupid idiot. If you want to stroke your ego in such a way then go get the latest version of Halo or Call of Duty and don't waste your time diluting the experience with the pretense of work. However, if you want to build something great. Something better than what is possible alone, you have to foster collaboration. I think an application like this would actually be detrimental to the long term productivity of any software house in at least two ways besides inhibiting female participation. First, it discourages collaboration because like in a first-person-shooter where my goal is to frag my opponents I succeed when others fail. I didn't scrutinize the application but I didn't see the section where you get hero points for helping someone else. You get your jollies by boosting your own stats and laughing at the ineptness of others. Except in the most dysfunctional and juvenile environments I doubt this would lead to a total breakdown of collaboration but it would act as a gentle headwind that slowly puts your team further and further behind its potential. The second problem is that it will probably lead to the gaming of the gaming system. People might start doing things like making micro commits because that gives them a better score. The impacts would probably be subtle, almost imperceptible at first. But over time the differences would accumulate until you found the entire heart of your code had eroded away. Of course, if you were impatient you could probably
Nathan Nowak wrote:
Everything is a competition and your ego is the stake. The whole thing seems to be geared towards saying I'm smart, I'm better than you, you're a stupid idiot.
:confused: I'm confused. Are you talking about managers or programmers? ;P
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Please supply your address so that my black belt wife (who is one of the best coders I know) can come round and smack your sexist hide around.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easierI'm too afraid to do that. Anyways, I'm 1.86, 124 Kg, and I also play Zerg :D. Your wife seems to be an exception to the rule - and you're a happy man :) Seriously, I'm not saying girls can't code. I just said what I saw during many years, nothing more.
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Nice job, erasing, in a testosterolalic tsunami of non-sequiturs, and invidious comparisons, using pseudo-factoids, the historical achievements of women in the evolution of "computation," from Ada, Countess Lovelace, through Grace Hopper, and on ... and on. I suspect you have an experience-deficit with mistresses who wear leather, rather than cotton aprons, or you are living in a 1950's American sit-com playing on a black-and-white 9x6 inch screen, the latest PlayBoy editorial by Hugh Hefner within reach. I will offer prayers to the Great Mother on your behalf. She is merciful ! yours, Bill
“Humans are amphibians: half spirit, half animal; as spirits they belong to the eternal world; as animals they inhabit time. While their spirit can be directed to an eternal object, their bodies, passions, and imagination are in continual change, for to be in time, means to change. Their nearest approach to constancy is undulation: repeated return to a level from which they repeatedly fall back, a series of troughs and peaks.” C.S. Lewis
Bill, I look forward to each and every one of your posts. Thank you for them. One day I'll understand a full post without recourse to Dictionary.com (did you just make up "testosterolalic" ?
BillWoodruff wrote:
the latest PlayBoy editorial by Hugh Hefner
There were editorials !?
MVVM # - I did it My Way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
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Nice job, erasing, in a testosterolalic tsunami of non-sequiturs, and invidious comparisons, using pseudo-factoids, the historical achievements of women in the evolution of "computation," from Ada, Countess Lovelace, through Grace Hopper, and on ... and on. I suspect you have an experience-deficit with mistresses who wear leather, rather than cotton aprons, or you are living in a 1950's American sit-com playing on a black-and-white 9x6 inch screen, the latest PlayBoy editorial by Hugh Hefner within reach. I will offer prayers to the Great Mother on your behalf. She is merciful ! yours, Bill
“Humans are amphibians: half spirit, half animal; as spirits they belong to the eternal world; as animals they inhabit time. While their spirit can be directed to an eternal object, their bodies, passions, and imagination are in continual change, for to be in time, means to change. Their nearest approach to constancy is undulation: repeated return to a level from which they repeatedly fall back, a series of troughs and peaks.” C.S. Lewis
BillWoodruff wrote:
She is merciful !
Tell that to John Bobbit!
Will Rogers never met me.
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After following the recent link in CP's daily news to the SoS[^] website I couldn't help but think, here is a perfect example of why there aren't more women in programming. I really can't speak for women, because I'm a sexist pig (and let me apologize right now to any pigs that are reading this), but I imagine the large majority of women would be completely repulsed by working in such an environment. Actually, it's hard for me to imagine anyone over the age of 25 not getting sick of it pretty quickly. I think feedback, competition, and fun are all useful tools in increasing productivity and job satisfaction but this application seems to be written with teenage boys as the audience. Everything is a competition and your ego is the stake. The whole thing seems to be geared towards saying I'm smart, I'm better than you, you're a stupid idiot. If you want to stroke your ego in such a way then go get the latest version of Halo or Call of Duty and don't waste your time diluting the experience with the pretense of work. However, if you want to build something great. Something better than what is possible alone, you have to foster collaboration. I think an application like this would actually be detrimental to the long term productivity of any software house in at least two ways besides inhibiting female participation. First, it discourages collaboration because like in a first-person-shooter where my goal is to frag my opponents I succeed when others fail. I didn't scrutinize the application but I didn't see the section where you get hero points for helping someone else. You get your jollies by boosting your own stats and laughing at the ineptness of others. Except in the most dysfunctional and juvenile environments I doubt this would lead to a total breakdown of collaboration but it would act as a gentle headwind that slowly puts your team further and further behind its potential. The second problem is that it will probably lead to the gaming of the gaming system. People might start doing things like making micro commits because that gives them a better score. The impacts would probably be subtle, almost imperceptible at first. But over time the differences would accumulate until you found the entire heart of your code had eroded away. Of course, if you were impatient you could probably
Because men don't cry when their programs fail! ;P
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Bill, I look forward to each and every one of your posts. Thank you for them. One day I'll understand a full post without recourse to Dictionary.com (did you just make up "testosterolalic" ?
BillWoodruff wrote:
the latest PlayBoy editorial by Hugh Hefner
There were editorials !?
MVVM # - I did it My Way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
_Maxxx_ wrote:
There were editorials !?
They were the reason I subscribed to Playboy.
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After following the recent link in CP's daily news to the SoS[^] website I couldn't help but think, here is a perfect example of why there aren't more women in programming. I really can't speak for women, because I'm a sexist pig (and let me apologize right now to any pigs that are reading this), but I imagine the large majority of women would be completely repulsed by working in such an environment. Actually, it's hard for me to imagine anyone over the age of 25 not getting sick of it pretty quickly. I think feedback, competition, and fun are all useful tools in increasing productivity and job satisfaction but this application seems to be written with teenage boys as the audience. Everything is a competition and your ego is the stake. The whole thing seems to be geared towards saying I'm smart, I'm better than you, you're a stupid idiot. If you want to stroke your ego in such a way then go get the latest version of Halo or Call of Duty and don't waste your time diluting the experience with the pretense of work. However, if you want to build something great. Something better than what is possible alone, you have to foster collaboration. I think an application like this would actually be detrimental to the long term productivity of any software house in at least two ways besides inhibiting female participation. First, it discourages collaboration because like in a first-person-shooter where my goal is to frag my opponents I succeed when others fail. I didn't scrutinize the application but I didn't see the section where you get hero points for helping someone else. You get your jollies by boosting your own stats and laughing at the ineptness of others. Except in the most dysfunctional and juvenile environments I doubt this would lead to a total breakdown of collaboration but it would act as a gentle headwind that slowly puts your team further and further behind its potential. The second problem is that it will probably lead to the gaming of the gaming system. People might start doing things like making micro commits because that gives them a better score. The impacts would probably be subtle, almost imperceptible at first. But over time the differences would accumulate until you found the entire heart of your code had eroded away. Of course, if you were impatient you could probably
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Please supply your address so that my black belt wife (who is one of the best coders I know) can come round and smack your sexist hide around.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier