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    Septimus Hedgehog
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    A judge was attacked in court (read it here[^]). The perpetrator was arrested and slammed with a prison sentence within 24 hours for, apparently, "contempt of court". :-D One of our neighbours kids friend was beaten up in the town centre last year. The perpetrator was arrested a few days later and was charged. He got slapped on the wrist with a community service order while the victim suffered quite serious facial injuries by all accounts. It seems that if you punch a judge you go to jail, pronto like. Kick a kid in the face until he's nearly dead and you get a community order.:mad: That's justice for you; protecting itself first.

    If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.

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      A judge was attacked in court (read it here[^]). The perpetrator was arrested and slammed with a prison sentence within 24 hours for, apparently, "contempt of court". :-D One of our neighbours kids friend was beaten up in the town centre last year. The perpetrator was arrested a few days later and was charged. He got slapped on the wrist with a community service order while the victim suffered quite serious facial injuries by all accounts. It seems that if you punch a judge you go to jail, pronto like. Kick a kid in the face until he's nearly dead and you get a community order.:mad: That's justice for you; protecting itself first.

      If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.

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      Pete OHanlon
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      As the offence was contempt of court, this implies that if he'd hit the judge outside the court he wouldn't have had anything to worry about.

      I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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        A judge was attacked in court (read it here[^]). The perpetrator was arrested and slammed with a prison sentence within 24 hours for, apparently, "contempt of court". :-D One of our neighbours kids friend was beaten up in the town centre last year. The perpetrator was arrested a few days later and was charged. He got slapped on the wrist with a community service order while the victim suffered quite serious facial injuries by all accounts. It seems that if you punch a judge you go to jail, pronto like. Kick a kid in the face until he's nearly dead and you get a community order.:mad: That's justice for you; protecting itself first.

        If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.

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        Matthew Faithfull
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        That's my experience too although I can't tell you anything about it or I'll be imprisoned for contempt of court( exposure of racket ).

        "The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)

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          A judge was attacked in court (read it here[^]). The perpetrator was arrested and slammed with a prison sentence within 24 hours for, apparently, "contempt of court". :-D One of our neighbours kids friend was beaten up in the town centre last year. The perpetrator was arrested a few days later and was charged. He got slapped on the wrist with a community service order while the victim suffered quite serious facial injuries by all accounts. It seems that if you punch a judge you go to jail, pronto like. Kick a kid in the face until he's nearly dead and you get a community order.:mad: That's justice for you; protecting itself first.

          If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.

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          If you do anything the judge doesn't like in a courtroom he can send you to prison for contempt. Punching him is probably going to annoy him a lot. I do like his defense that if he really wanted to hurt the judge he could have done. It's a bit like the Chris Huhne affair, he didn't go to prison for the driving offence but for not respecting the justice system. The justice system, however flawed, needs to be protected. I don't know the full details of the other case you mentioned or of the community service order given to him, and it looks like you don't either, but 18 months for attacking a judge in court seems reasonable to me.

          “I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks

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            If you do anything the judge doesn't like in a courtroom he can send you to prison for contempt. Punching him is probably going to annoy him a lot. I do like his defense that if he really wanted to hurt the judge he could have done. It's a bit like the Chris Huhne affair, he didn't go to prison for the driving offence but for not respecting the justice system. The justice system, however flawed, needs to be protected. I don't know the full details of the other case you mentioned or of the community service order given to him, and it looks like you don't either, but 18 months for attacking a judge in court seems reasonable to me.

            “I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks

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            Septimus Hedgehog
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            It's one less "contemptor" on the street running scared, waiting for his collar to be felt by the long-arm of the law. :-D

            If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.

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              If you do anything the judge doesn't like in a courtroom he can send you to prison for contempt. Punching him is probably going to annoy him a lot. I do like his defense that if he really wanted to hurt the judge he could have done. It's a bit like the Chris Huhne affair, he didn't go to prison for the driving offence but for not respecting the justice system. The justice system, however flawed, needs to be protected. I don't know the full details of the other case you mentioned or of the community service order given to him, and it looks like you don't either, but 18 months for attacking a judge in court seems reasonable to me.

              “I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks

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              ChrisElston wrote:

              18 months for attacking a judge in court seems reasonable to me.

              You are joking of course.

              Use the best guess

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                ChrisElston wrote:

                18 months for attacking a judge in court seems reasonable to me.

                You are joking of course.

                Use the best guess

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                Why?

                “I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks

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                  A judge was attacked in court (read it here[^]). The perpetrator was arrested and slammed with a prison sentence within 24 hours for, apparently, "contempt of court". :-D One of our neighbours kids friend was beaten up in the town centre last year. The perpetrator was arrested a few days later and was charged. He got slapped on the wrist with a community service order while the victim suffered quite serious facial injuries by all accounts. It seems that if you punch a judge you go to jail, pronto like. Kick a kid in the face until he's nearly dead and you get a community order.:mad: That's justice for you; protecting itself first.

                  If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.

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                  The system of authority needs to be protected more than ordinary people, otherwise it won't maintain respect. Police, judges and court officials receive special protection for the same reason that it's a much longer ban to punch a referee than a fellow player in sports.

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                    A judge was attacked in court (read it here[^]). The perpetrator was arrested and slammed with a prison sentence within 24 hours for, apparently, "contempt of court". :-D One of our neighbours kids friend was beaten up in the town centre last year. The perpetrator was arrested a few days later and was charged. He got slapped on the wrist with a community service order while the victim suffered quite serious facial injuries by all accounts. It seems that if you punch a judge you go to jail, pronto like. Kick a kid in the face until he's nearly dead and you get a community order.:mad: That's justice for you; protecting itself first.

                    If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.

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                    I understand where you are coming from. It is hard to understand most court decisions. That last time I read about a contempt of court case was when a young man went to court to defend himself over some parking fines. He unfortunately wore a T-shirt which had the words, "If bullshit could fly... Then this place would be an airport." He got 1 month imprisonment for contempt of court for the T-shirt. Can't remember what happened about the parking fine but I bet he copped that as well.

                    "Rock journalism is people who can't write interviewing people who can't talk for people who can't read." Frank Zappa 1980

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                      I understand where you are coming from. It is hard to understand most court decisions. That last time I read about a contempt of court case was when a young man went to court to defend himself over some parking fines. He unfortunately wore a T-shirt which had the words, "If bullshit could fly... Then this place would be an airport." He got 1 month imprisonment for contempt of court for the T-shirt. Can't remember what happened about the parking fine but I bet he copped that as well.

                      "Rock journalism is people who can't write interviewing people who can't talk for people who can't read." Frank Zappa 1980

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                      Again, seems reasonable to me. You deliberately poke something with the power to cause you pain in someway then you are going to have to accept the consequences. Be it a teacher, your boss, a tiger, a judge...

                      “I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks

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                        The system of authority needs to be protected more than ordinary people, otherwise it won't maintain respect. Police, judges and court officials receive special protection for the same reason that it's a much longer ban to punch a referee than a fellow player in sports.

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                        Once in a while, stories emerge from South American countries where referees are attacked violently by players and supporters because they ruled against them. I believe some referees have been shot and hanged in their soccer leagues. As for protecting the police, I remember an anti-crime poster from the '70s where the title read "Help The Police" to which someone added "Beat Yourself Up". I question whether the system of authority needs more protection. I'd like to think we are all entitled to the same degree of protection. It might cost more to protect some more than others but fundamentally my blood is the same colour as theirs and my farts stink just as good as theirs. At least we're partly equal.

                        If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.

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                          Again, seems reasonable to me. You deliberately poke something with the power to cause you pain in someway then you are going to have to accept the consequences. Be it a teacher, your boss, a tiger, a judge...

                          “I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks

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                          Too arbitrary and too much power in the judges hands. If I recall correctly, the US Supreme Court ruled that a judge cannot be held criminally liable for the decisions (sentences, for example) he hands down from the bench - even if he knew he was acting illegally. I can understand the first part, to an extent, to keep the judge's mind clear during sentencing, but the latter, that the law can be broken with impunity, is an outrage. So judges decided that judges aren't to be held accountable. Like senators doing insider trading without penalty. Or a rich b!tch, like Lindsay Lohan actually in contempt of court, repeatedly, and never spending more than a few hours in jail. Recalling a little jewel from Animal Farm: "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others"

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                            The system of authority needs to be protected more than ordinary people, otherwise it won't maintain respect. Police, judges and court officials receive special protection for the same reason that it's a much longer ban to punch a referee than a fellow player in sports.

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                            This way it's just a self-serving system that thinks itself above everyone else and doesn't deserve respect.

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                              Too arbitrary and too much power in the judges hands. If I recall correctly, the US Supreme Court ruled that a judge cannot be held criminally liable for the decisions (sentences, for example) he hands down from the bench - even if he knew he was acting illegally. I can understand the first part, to an extent, to keep the judge's mind clear during sentencing, but the latter, that the law can be broken with impunity, is an outrage. So judges decided that judges aren't to be held accountable. Like senators doing insider trading without penalty. Or a rich b!tch, like Lindsay Lohan actually in contempt of court, repeatedly, and never spending more than a few hours in jail. Recalling a little jewel from Animal Farm: "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others"

                              "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                              "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

                              "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                              Not that arbitrary, there are guidelines, limits and precedence for sentencing. As well as a full appeals process. The main complaints against judges sentencing for contempt are when they make they judgment immediately without any cooling down or thinking time.

                              “I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks

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                                A judge was attacked in court (read it here[^]). The perpetrator was arrested and slammed with a prison sentence within 24 hours for, apparently, "contempt of court". :-D One of our neighbours kids friend was beaten up in the town centre last year. The perpetrator was arrested a few days later and was charged. He got slapped on the wrist with a community service order while the victim suffered quite serious facial injuries by all accounts. It seems that if you punch a judge you go to jail, pronto like. Kick a kid in the face until he's nearly dead and you get a community order.:mad: That's justice for you; protecting itself first.

                                If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.

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                                Well of course - if you had power, wouldn't you use it that way? That's not to say I like it, but I understand.

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                                  Again, seems reasonable to me. You deliberately poke something with the power to cause you pain in someway then you are going to have to accept the consequences. Be it a teacher, your boss, a tiger, a judge...

                                  “I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks

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                                  Mladen Jankovic
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                                  ChrisElston wrote:

                                  Be it a teacher, your boss, a tiger, a judge...

                                  ... dictator, tyrant ...

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                                    A judge was attacked in court (read it here[^]). The perpetrator was arrested and slammed with a prison sentence within 24 hours for, apparently, "contempt of court". :-D One of our neighbours kids friend was beaten up in the town centre last year. The perpetrator was arrested a few days later and was charged. He got slapped on the wrist with a community service order while the victim suffered quite serious facial injuries by all accounts. It seems that if you punch a judge you go to jail, pronto like. Kick a kid in the face until he's nearly dead and you get a community order.:mad: That's justice for you; protecting itself first.

                                    If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.

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                                    Crimes against the court itself aside, It's more like "getting punished by the machine" than it is "the justice system". And since they are more like a gang that punishes people, it makes sense that they get to go all crazy and overboard if you do something bad to them. Then they have to hurry up and show their power.

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                                      Again, seems reasonable to me. You deliberately poke something with the power to cause you pain in someway then you are going to have to accept the consequences. Be it a teacher, your boss, a tiger, a judge...

                                      “I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks

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                                      You are so correct. We used to call it respect. It was self protection.... (You left the police off the list Chris.)

                                      "Rock journalism is people who can't write interviewing people who can't talk for people who can't read." Frank Zappa 1980

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                                        Again, seems reasonable to me. You deliberately poke something with the power to cause you pain in someway then you are going to have to accept the consequences. Be it a teacher, your boss, a tiger, a judge...

                                        “I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks

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                                        Septimus Hedgehog
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                                        Remember that girl who was arrested many years ago for wearing some kind of anti-Blair T-shirt? She was arrested for it and possibly evicted from the rally or whatever it was she was attending. I'm not sure if it went much further. In the last really hot spells we had a couple of year ago, a driver was stuck in heavy traffic with a cop car behind her. She took a swig of water. Yup, Plod & Companion pulled her over and slapped a ticket on her for not being in control of her car. True, we have to accept the consequences of our actions but they too should exercise good stewardship over their authority over us. Mind you, I did like the recent case in the US where a judge fined himself for contempt of court because his cell phone rang during the critical phase when a defence attorney was summing up to the jury. He could of dismissed the case and sent himself to jail to 60 days. If it had been anybody elses phone but his it would probably have been dealt with more seriously.

                                        If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.

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                                          Remember that girl who was arrested many years ago for wearing some kind of anti-Blair T-shirt? She was arrested for it and possibly evicted from the rally or whatever it was she was attending. I'm not sure if it went much further. In the last really hot spells we had a couple of year ago, a driver was stuck in heavy traffic with a cop car behind her. She took a swig of water. Yup, Plod & Companion pulled her over and slapped a ticket on her for not being in control of her car. True, we have to accept the consequences of our actions but they too should exercise good stewardship over their authority over us. Mind you, I did like the recent case in the US where a judge fined himself for contempt of court because his cell phone rang during the critical phase when a defence attorney was summing up to the jury. He could of dismissed the case and sent himself to jail to 60 days. If it had been anybody elses phone but his it would probably have been dealt with more seriously.

                                          If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.

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                                          Bollocks to Blair[^] - total over-reaction by police. Drinking at lights[^] - total over-reaction by police. I don't think anyone ever claimed that quite a few coppers aren't massive cunts. :-D Drinking at lights appeal[^] - she lost cos she started drinking when at lights, but then drove off with the bottle still in her hand when the lights changed.

                                          “I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks

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