What would it take for you to leave your current job?
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Another thing worth adding is, some people get stuck in a situation where they have to use older technologies. I all but left a job because we seemed to be intending on working in VB6 and classic ASP, and stayed when that changed. I left my first job because, after building a UI framework in C that was scripted in Python, the job became scripting that UI in Python, which struck me as both interesting and a dead end, career wise. I'm not sure I'd move for money, unless it was a LOT of it. The other things you suggest are compelling, although I have some of them now, especially #4 ( working from home ). I am not sure I want to talk to the users, I don't think that's safe for me or them.... I guess it would be different if the users were people like me. Oh, if I was asked to work in an office full of super models, that would also not hurt.... :P
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
am not sure I want to talk to the users, I don't think that's safe for me or them
Priceless.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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We're growing, still (and of course we still have our never ending growing pains) and we're looking for a seriously impressive person to lead our team to build CP.next. So what does it typically take for someone well established, with a proven track record, with many years under their belt, to leave the safety of their current gig and take on a very large job fraught with peril and the promise of many long days and bleary eyes? What would tempt you to leave your current job and take a chance? I think about this a lot and have narrowed it down to a few things 1. Money 2. An interesting challenge to break away from current tedium, or a bigger challenge than their last 3. A chance to own something, to get in at the start and build it under your direction 4. Office environment, perks, co-workers, location, flexibility in hours 5. A chance to do build something where you actually get to directly talk to your users 6. A chance to fill out your resume with some serious name-dropping What else would you say would be a reason to leave a current job and move to a new one? which, for you, are the biggies?
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
Is the office in the Carribean?
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We're growing, still (and of course we still have our never ending growing pains) and we're looking for a seriously impressive person to lead our team to build CP.next. So what does it typically take for someone well established, with a proven track record, with many years under their belt, to leave the safety of their current gig and take on a very large job fraught with peril and the promise of many long days and bleary eyes? What would tempt you to leave your current job and take a chance? I think about this a lot and have narrowed it down to a few things 1. Money 2. An interesting challenge to break away from current tedium, or a bigger challenge than their last 3. A chance to own something, to get in at the start and build it under your direction 4. Office environment, perks, co-workers, location, flexibility in hours 5. A chance to do build something where you actually get to directly talk to your users 6. A chance to fill out your resume with some serious name-dropping What else would you say would be a reason to leave a current job and move to a new one? which, for you, are the biggies?
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
Not that I'm looking to move, but my moves over the past dozen years have been well thought out and have almost always involved an equity stake in a new venture. IMHO, that's a great motivator (assuming one has faith in the venture to begin with) and allows you to filter out candidates who aren't in it for the long haul. It takes a certain amount of crazy (aka insane dedication) to be part of a team that's able to turn an idea into a long-term success. But you already know that. /ravi
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Is the office in the Carribean?
As in, Cuba ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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We're growing, still (and of course we still have our never ending growing pains) and we're looking for a seriously impressive person to lead our team to build CP.next. So what does it typically take for someone well established, with a proven track record, with many years under their belt, to leave the safety of their current gig and take on a very large job fraught with peril and the promise of many long days and bleary eyes? What would tempt you to leave your current job and take a chance? I think about this a lot and have narrowed it down to a few things 1. Money 2. An interesting challenge to break away from current tedium, or a bigger challenge than their last 3. A chance to own something, to get in at the start and build it under your direction 4. Office environment, perks, co-workers, location, flexibility in hours 5. A chance to do build something where you actually get to directly talk to your users 6. A chance to fill out your resume with some serious name-dropping What else would you say would be a reason to leave a current job and move to a new one? which, for you, are the biggies?
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
What else would you say would be a reason to leave a current job and move to a new one? which, for you, are the biggies?
Rum. Lots and lots of rum. How much can Code Project afford?
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Another thing worth adding is, some people get stuck in a situation where they have to use older technologies. I all but left a job because we seemed to be intending on working in VB6 and classic ASP, and stayed when that changed. I left my first job because, after building a UI framework in C that was scripted in Python, the job became scripting that UI in Python, which struck me as both interesting and a dead end, career wise. I'm not sure I'd move for money, unless it was a LOT of it. The other things you suggest are compelling, although I have some of them now, especially #4 ( working from home ). I am not sure I want to talk to the users, I don't think that's safe for me or them.... I guess it would be different if the users were people like me. Oh, if I was asked to work in an office full of super models, that would also not hurt.... :P
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
I am not sure I want to talk to the users, I don't think that's safe for me or them.... I guess it would be different if the users were people like me.
What? Two heads?
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Chris Maunder wrote:
What else would you say would be a reason to leave a current job and move to a new one? which, for you, are the biggies?
Rum. Lots and lots of rum. How much can Code Project afford?
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
We have a budget. A carefully planned, well thought you, tightly administered budget. So no.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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We're growing, still (and of course we still have our never ending growing pains) and we're looking for a seriously impressive person to lead our team to build CP.next. So what does it typically take for someone well established, with a proven track record, with many years under their belt, to leave the safety of their current gig and take on a very large job fraught with peril and the promise of many long days and bleary eyes? What would tempt you to leave your current job and take a chance? I think about this a lot and have narrowed it down to a few things 1. Money 2. An interesting challenge to break away from current tedium, or a bigger challenge than their last 3. A chance to own something, to get in at the start and build it under your direction 4. Office environment, perks, co-workers, location, flexibility in hours 5. A chance to do build something where you actually get to directly talk to your users 6. A chance to fill out your resume with some serious name-dropping What else would you say would be a reason to leave a current job and move to a new one? which, for you, are the biggies?
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
Number 3 is my biggie - but as an add on, the ability to be able to do it 'properly'; To be given the time to do R&D where necessary, to develop frameworks, document direction and methodology over the long term. What sucks about my current position is that we constantly do things wrong because we don't have the time to fix the problems and do thins right. In the past I have taken 5 months of a 6 month contract to produce a framework without producing anything the customer could see, touch or whatever. But in the last month I completed all their requirements and more entirely because I had produced a well though out, extensible, documented, simple framework. that's the sort of job that would get me packing my things... Resume's in the post :)
MVVM # - I did it My Way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
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Christian Graus wrote:
I am not sure I want to talk to the users, I don't think that's safe for me or them.... I guess it would be different if the users were people like me.
What? Two heads?
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
No, devilishly handsome and amazingly talented.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Number 3 is my biggie - but as an add on, the ability to be able to do it 'properly'; To be given the time to do R&D where necessary, to develop frameworks, document direction and methodology over the long term. What sucks about my current position is that we constantly do things wrong because we don't have the time to fix the problems and do thins right. In the past I have taken 5 months of a 6 month contract to produce a framework without producing anything the customer could see, touch or whatever. But in the last month I completed all their requirements and more entirely because I had produced a well though out, extensible, documented, simple framework. that's the sort of job that would get me packing my things... Resume's in the post :)
MVVM # - I did it My Way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
_Maxxx_ wrote:
that's the sort of job that would get me packing my things...
Wow - do those exist ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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We're growing, still (and of course we still have our never ending growing pains) and we're looking for a seriously impressive person to lead our team to build CP.next. So what does it typically take for someone well established, with a proven track record, with many years under their belt, to leave the safety of their current gig and take on a very large job fraught with peril and the promise of many long days and bleary eyes? What would tempt you to leave your current job and take a chance? I think about this a lot and have narrowed it down to a few things 1. Money 2. An interesting challenge to break away from current tedium, or a bigger challenge than their last 3. A chance to own something, to get in at the start and build it under your direction 4. Office environment, perks, co-workers, location, flexibility in hours 5. A chance to do build something where you actually get to directly talk to your users 6. A chance to fill out your resume with some serious name-dropping What else would you say would be a reason to leave a current job and move to a new one? which, for you, are the biggies?
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
#1, #4, and #6 would do it for me...
"I've seen more information on a frickin' sticky note!" - Dave Kreskowiak
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_Maxxx_ wrote:
that's the sort of job that would get me packing my things...
Wow - do those exist ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Yes - it has happened before and certainly would happen if I started my own company. Doing things right up front pays off in the long term. Taking short cuts and the 'we'll do that later' move just don't work. I like to look at a scope of work, estimate the time/cost then estimate a due date rather than the somewhat more familiar be told the due date and madly panicking trying to meet unrealistic deadlines.
MVVM # - I did it My Way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
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We're growing, still (and of course we still have our never ending growing pains) and we're looking for a seriously impressive person to lead our team to build CP.next. So what does it typically take for someone well established, with a proven track record, with many years under their belt, to leave the safety of their current gig and take on a very large job fraught with peril and the promise of many long days and bleary eyes? What would tempt you to leave your current job and take a chance? I think about this a lot and have narrowed it down to a few things 1. Money 2. An interesting challenge to break away from current tedium, or a bigger challenge than their last 3. A chance to own something, to get in at the start and build it under your direction 4. Office environment, perks, co-workers, location, flexibility in hours 5. A chance to do build something where you actually get to directly talk to your users 6. A chance to fill out your resume with some serious name-dropping What else would you say would be a reason to leave a current job and move to a new one? which, for you, are the biggies?
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
7. The ability to re-introduce downvoting.
MVVM # - I did it My Way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
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Yes - it has happened before and certainly would happen if I started my own company. Doing things right up front pays off in the long term. Taking short cuts and the 'we'll do that later' move just don't work. I like to look at a scope of work, estimate the time/cost then estimate a due date rather than the somewhat more familiar be told the due date and madly panicking trying to meet unrealistic deadlines.
MVVM # - I did it My Way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
_Maxxx_ wrote:
Taking short cuts and the 'we'll do that later' move just don't work.
Sure, all the programmers know that, it's getting the managers to see it that's the trick....
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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We're growing, still (and of course we still have our never ending growing pains) and we're looking for a seriously impressive person to lead our team to build CP.next. So what does it typically take for someone well established, with a proven track record, with many years under their belt, to leave the safety of their current gig and take on a very large job fraught with peril and the promise of many long days and bleary eyes? What would tempt you to leave your current job and take a chance? I think about this a lot and have narrowed it down to a few things 1. Money 2. An interesting challenge to break away from current tedium, or a bigger challenge than their last 3. A chance to own something, to get in at the start and build it under your direction 4. Office environment, perks, co-workers, location, flexibility in hours 5. A chance to do build something where you actually get to directly talk to your users 6. A chance to fill out your resume with some serious name-dropping What else would you say would be a reason to leave a current job and move to a new one? which, for you, are the biggies?
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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_Maxxx_ wrote:
Taking short cuts and the 'we'll do that later' move just don't work.
Sure, all the programmers know that, it's getting the managers to see it that's the trick....
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
I live in hope of working for a manager who is enough of an ex-coder to see the light. I was one for eight or nine years - and I have to say my devs had a great time! (They were great devs, too) I spent my life doing what I felt a dev manager's major role really is - protecting the devs and managers from one another!
MVVM # - I did it My Way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
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Yeah whatever, you forgot to add all the drawbacks. Drawbacks 7. Reading Maunder's code Everyone else, feel free to add to the list ;) OH 8. Learning to say ABOOT Bryce
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bryce wrote:
8. Learning to say ABOOT**, eh?**
FTFY
MVVM # - I did it My Way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
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We're growing, still (and of course we still have our never ending growing pains) and we're looking for a seriously impressive person to lead our team to build CP.next. So what does it typically take for someone well established, with a proven track record, with many years under their belt, to leave the safety of their current gig and take on a very large job fraught with peril and the promise of many long days and bleary eyes? What would tempt you to leave your current job and take a chance? I think about this a lot and have narrowed it down to a few things 1. Money 2. An interesting challenge to break away from current tedium, or a bigger challenge than their last 3. A chance to own something, to get in at the start and build it under your direction 4. Office environment, perks, co-workers, location, flexibility in hours 5. A chance to do build something where you actually get to directly talk to your users 6. A chance to fill out your resume with some serious name-dropping What else would you say would be a reason to leave a current job and move to a new one? which, for you, are the biggies?
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
Greener grass (not necessarily a reference to money) and an offer. So I guess you'd need to figure out what they don't have in their current job and offer them that. 1/2/4/6. 7. Working on something you genuinely care about.
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Chris Maunder wrote:
What else would you say would be a reason to leave a current job and move to a new one? which, for you, are the biggies?
Rum. Lots and lots of rum. How much can Code Project afford?
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
Michael Martin wrote:
Rum. Lots and lots of rum.
A pipeline from Bundaberg?
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bryce wrote:
8. Learning to say ABOOT**, eh?**
FTFY
MVVM # - I did it My Way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
Also, "Goodaye, mate!" in proper Strine accent. Playing the didgeridoo at the office Christmas party.