What would it take for you to leave your current job?
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Yes - it has happened before and certainly would happen if I started my own company. Doing things right up front pays off in the long term. Taking short cuts and the 'we'll do that later' move just don't work. I like to look at a scope of work, estimate the time/cost then estimate a due date rather than the somewhat more familiar be told the due date and madly panicking trying to meet unrealistic deadlines.
MVVM # - I did it My Way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
_Maxxx_ wrote:
Taking short cuts and the 'we'll do that later' move just don't work.
Sure, all the programmers know that, it's getting the managers to see it that's the trick....
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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We're growing, still (and of course we still have our never ending growing pains) and we're looking for a seriously impressive person to lead our team to build CP.next. So what does it typically take for someone well established, with a proven track record, with many years under their belt, to leave the safety of their current gig and take on a very large job fraught with peril and the promise of many long days and bleary eyes? What would tempt you to leave your current job and take a chance? I think about this a lot and have narrowed it down to a few things 1. Money 2. An interesting challenge to break away from current tedium, or a bigger challenge than their last 3. A chance to own something, to get in at the start and build it under your direction 4. Office environment, perks, co-workers, location, flexibility in hours 5. A chance to do build something where you actually get to directly talk to your users 6. A chance to fill out your resume with some serious name-dropping What else would you say would be a reason to leave a current job and move to a new one? which, for you, are the biggies?
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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_Maxxx_ wrote:
Taking short cuts and the 'we'll do that later' move just don't work.
Sure, all the programmers know that, it's getting the managers to see it that's the trick....
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
I live in hope of working for a manager who is enough of an ex-coder to see the light. I was one for eight or nine years - and I have to say my devs had a great time! (They were great devs, too) I spent my life doing what I felt a dev manager's major role really is - protecting the devs and managers from one another!
MVVM # - I did it My Way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
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Yeah whatever, you forgot to add all the drawbacks. Drawbacks 7. Reading Maunder's code Everyone else, feel free to add to the list ;) OH 8. Learning to say ABOOT Bryce
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bryce wrote:
8. Learning to say ABOOT**, eh?**
FTFY
MVVM # - I did it My Way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
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We're growing, still (and of course we still have our never ending growing pains) and we're looking for a seriously impressive person to lead our team to build CP.next. So what does it typically take for someone well established, with a proven track record, with many years under their belt, to leave the safety of their current gig and take on a very large job fraught with peril and the promise of many long days and bleary eyes? What would tempt you to leave your current job and take a chance? I think about this a lot and have narrowed it down to a few things 1. Money 2. An interesting challenge to break away from current tedium, or a bigger challenge than their last 3. A chance to own something, to get in at the start and build it under your direction 4. Office environment, perks, co-workers, location, flexibility in hours 5. A chance to do build something where you actually get to directly talk to your users 6. A chance to fill out your resume with some serious name-dropping What else would you say would be a reason to leave a current job and move to a new one? which, for you, are the biggies?
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
Greener grass (not necessarily a reference to money) and an offer. So I guess you'd need to figure out what they don't have in their current job and offer them that. 1/2/4/6. 7. Working on something you genuinely care about.
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Chris Maunder wrote:
What else would you say would be a reason to leave a current job and move to a new one? which, for you, are the biggies?
Rum. Lots and lots of rum. How much can Code Project afford?
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
Michael Martin wrote:
Rum. Lots and lots of rum.
A pipeline from Bundaberg?
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bryce wrote:
8. Learning to say ABOOT**, eh?**
FTFY
MVVM # - I did it My Way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
Also, "Goodaye, mate!" in proper Strine accent. Playing the didgeridoo at the office Christmas party.
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We're growing, still (and of course we still have our never ending growing pains) and we're looking for a seriously impressive person to lead our team to build CP.next. So what does it typically take for someone well established, with a proven track record, with many years under their belt, to leave the safety of their current gig and take on a very large job fraught with peril and the promise of many long days and bleary eyes? What would tempt you to leave your current job and take a chance? I think about this a lot and have narrowed it down to a few things 1. Money 2. An interesting challenge to break away from current tedium, or a bigger challenge than their last 3. A chance to own something, to get in at the start and build it under your direction 4. Office environment, perks, co-workers, location, flexibility in hours 5. A chance to do build something where you actually get to directly talk to your users 6. A chance to fill out your resume with some serious name-dropping What else would you say would be a reason to leave a current job and move to a new one? which, for you, are the biggies?
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
A parking spot! Oh.. and in cities were parking spots are not in short supply, a company car too :)
"For fifty bucks I'd put my face in their soup and blow." - George Costanza
CP article: SmartPager - a Flickr-style pager control with go-to-page popup layer.
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Also, "Goodaye, mate!" in proper Strine accent. Playing the didgeridoo at the office Christmas party.
An old classmate of mine from college brought his didgeridoo around with him and played it. A strange one, he was.
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No, devilishly handsome and amazingly talented.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
No, devilishly handsome and amazingly talented.
So who did I have coffee with all those years ago? He was neither talented or good looking and answered to Christian Graus.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Michael Martin wrote:
Rum. Lots and lots of rum.
A pipeline from Bundaberg?
Vivic wrote:
A pipeline from Bundaberg?
That, or ust move me lock, stock and barrel up to the new Code Project Bundaberg Queensland office.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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We have a budget. A carefully planned, well thought you, tightly administered budget. So no.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
So no.
So that's a yes then?
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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An old classmate of mine from college brought his didgeridoo around with him and played it. A strange one, he was.
Ahem! nothing strange about that. Although my current doo is made of plastic pipe following the great termite disaster of '04
MVVM # - I did it My Way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
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Christian Graus wrote:
No, devilishly handsome and amazingly talented.
So who did I have coffee with all those years ago? He was neither talented or good looking and answered to Christian Graus.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
I believe, ultimately, everyone answers to Christian Graus
MVVM # - I did it My Way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
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Christian Graus wrote:
No, devilishly handsome and amazingly talented.
So who did I have coffee with all those years ago? He was neither talented or good looking and answered to Christian Graus.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
The old me....
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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We're growing, still (and of course we still have our never ending growing pains) and we're looking for a seriously impressive person to lead our team to build CP.next. So what does it typically take for someone well established, with a proven track record, with many years under their belt, to leave the safety of their current gig and take on a very large job fraught with peril and the promise of many long days and bleary eyes? What would tempt you to leave your current job and take a chance? I think about this a lot and have narrowed it down to a few things 1. Money 2. An interesting challenge to break away from current tedium, or a bigger challenge than their last 3. A chance to own something, to get in at the start and build it under your direction 4. Office environment, perks, co-workers, location, flexibility in hours 5. A chance to do build something where you actually get to directly talk to your users 6. A chance to fill out your resume with some serious name-dropping What else would you say would be a reason to leave a current job and move to a new one? which, for you, are the biggies?
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
#7 A boss who knows lists start at 0. Seriously, the better the 'other stuff' the less money is needed. If I could work from home, I'd take a job for a lot less than if it meant going to some stupid office; even if the view is great.
Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol
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We're growing, still (and of course we still have our never ending growing pains) and we're looking for a seriously impressive person to lead our team to build CP.next. So what does it typically take for someone well established, with a proven track record, with many years under their belt, to leave the safety of their current gig and take on a very large job fraught with peril and the promise of many long days and bleary eyes? What would tempt you to leave your current job and take a chance? I think about this a lot and have narrowed it down to a few things 1. Money 2. An interesting challenge to break away from current tedium, or a bigger challenge than their last 3. A chance to own something, to get in at the start and build it under your direction 4. Office environment, perks, co-workers, location, flexibility in hours 5. A chance to do build something where you actually get to directly talk to your users 6. A chance to fill out your resume with some serious name-dropping What else would you say would be a reason to leave a current job and move to a new one? which, for you, are the biggies?
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
Money is obviously the biggie, but the other one - heck, it's one even I'd consider, would be VISA sponsorship to move to Canada.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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We're growing, still (and of course we still have our never ending growing pains) and we're looking for a seriously impressive person to lead our team to build CP.next. So what does it typically take for someone well established, with a proven track record, with many years under their belt, to leave the safety of their current gig and take on a very large job fraught with peril and the promise of many long days and bleary eyes? What would tempt you to leave your current job and take a chance? I think about this a lot and have narrowed it down to a few things 1. Money 2. An interesting challenge to break away from current tedium, or a bigger challenge than their last 3. A chance to own something, to get in at the start and build it under your direction 4. Office environment, perks, co-workers, location, flexibility in hours 5. A chance to do build something where you actually get to directly talk to your users 6. A chance to fill out your resume with some serious name-dropping What else would you say would be a reason to leave a current job and move to a new one? which, for you, are the biggies?
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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We're growing, still (and of course we still have our never ending growing pains) and we're looking for a seriously impressive person to lead our team to build CP.next. So what does it typically take for someone well established, with a proven track record, with many years under their belt, to leave the safety of their current gig and take on a very large job fraught with peril and the promise of many long days and bleary eyes? What would tempt you to leave your current job and take a chance? I think about this a lot and have narrowed it down to a few things 1. Money 2. An interesting challenge to break away from current tedium, or a bigger challenge than their last 3. A chance to own something, to get in at the start and build it under your direction 4. Office environment, perks, co-workers, location, flexibility in hours 5. A chance to do build something where you actually get to directly talk to your users 6. A chance to fill out your resume with some serious name-dropping What else would you say would be a reason to leave a current job and move to a new one? which, for you, are the biggies?
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
While money is a powerful motivator - I've never been paid the mythical "average" wage for my position and responsibilities at any job - it's far from the most important. An interesting challenge is always attractive, and has usually been my primary reason for changing jobs. One perk that has usually evaded my grasp has been an opportunity to develop something cradle to grave, rather than taking over a project that is already doomed and saving it. That's been my fate so many times I've lost count, and for a couple of decades I had a rep as a "fixer." Hard to escape that... Having a flexible environment where working from home is an option when there is no pressing need to be in the office would be very attractive, too, as I already seem to be doing all of my actual productive work on my own time anyway. A really big motivator would be a climate that is survivable without extreme measures, in a non-Nanny State. I had half that in CA, and I have half that in AZ, just opposite halves. Access to, and financial support for higher education would also be a plus, especially if the courses weren't required to be work related.
Will Rogers never met me.
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A parking spot! Oh.. and in cities were parking spots are not in short supply, a company car too :)
"For fifty bucks I'd put my face in their soup and blow." - George Costanza
CP article: SmartPager - a Flickr-style pager control with go-to-page popup layer.
Move here... Company car + driver ! no need for parking slot :-)
Seulement, dans certains cas, n'est-ce pas, on n'entend guère que ce qu'on désire entendre et ce qui vous arrange le mieux... [^] Joe never complained of anything but ever did his duty in his way of life, with a strong hand, a quiet tongue, and a gentle heart [^]