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Does not Developers get confused if there are too many global variables?

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  • M Mohammed Hameed

    It has been noticed that some developers heavily use Global variables, may be without any discomfort. Is it like they get accustomed to it and hence use it? Dont they get confused by over usage?

    Understand SOLID! Believe SOLID! Try SOLID; your Code becomes Rock SOLID!!!

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    Keith Barrow
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    I was overused once, it did cause discomfort, but I was never confused!

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    • M Mohammed Hameed

      It has been noticed that some developers heavily use Global variables, may be without any discomfort. Is it like they get accustomed to it and hence use it? Dont they get confused by over usage?

      Understand SOLID! Believe SOLID! Try SOLID; your Code becomes Rock SOLID!!!

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      Global variables are widely recognised to be a Bad Thing and confusing. That's why programming languages have gradually introduced more and more ways of avoiding them: local variables, function parameters, structures (to wrap up multiple parameters where there would be a confusingly large number of them), encapsulation, closures ... I'm sure there are other features that essentially come down to reducing the scope within which a data object is visible to avoid confusion.

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      • C Chris Maunder

        Mohammed Hameed wrote:

        Is it like they get accustomed to it and hence use it?

        Or they simply don't understand how to write object oriented and/or well architected code.

        cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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        Well, hamsters' brains aren't that big ... it's cruel enough making them write JavaScript without expecting good JavaScript.

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        • M Mohammed Hameed

          It has been noticed that some developers heavily use Global variables, may be without any discomfort. Is it like they get accustomed to it and hence use it? Dont they get confused by over usage?

          Understand SOLID! Believe SOLID! Try SOLID; your Code becomes Rock SOLID!!!

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          Lost User
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          It would depend upon how the variables are named. Names like: jjxl, jixl, picxl, y, x, xy, yx, xxy would be confusing even locally scoped. However, names like: Global_Late_Fee, Global_Post_Date, & WTF_Adjustment aren't confusing.

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            It would depend upon how the variables are named. Names like: jjxl, jixl, picxl, y, x, xy, yx, xxy would be confusing even locally scoped. However, names like: Global_Late_Fee, Global_Post_Date, & WTF_Adjustment aren't confusing.

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            MehGerbil wrote:

            However, names like: Global_Late_Fee, Global_Post_Date, & WTF_Adjustment aren't confusing.

            ..not confusing mayhaps, just a bad idea :)

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            • M Mohammed Hameed

              It has been noticed that some developers heavily use Global variables, may be without any discomfort. Is it like they get accustomed to it and hence use it? Dont they get confused by over usage?

              Understand SOLID! Believe SOLID! Try SOLID; your Code becomes Rock SOLID!!!

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              Joe Woodbury
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              It's less confusing that where the developer uses classes at an absurdly granular level and/or buys into the "a method should do only one thing" nonsense. Then there's the one person who uses "var" for every definition in their C# code. The solution is to write aesthetically pleasing code will with meaningful names. In the C++ world, using static properly is a big help. (One thing that cracks me up are devs who criticize global variables and then create a singleton class full of variables. Or, worse, dozens of singleton classes chock full of variables. Speaking of singletons, I recently worked on some code where the original developer had create a factory class that produced exactly one and only one instance. Yes, it was "object" oriented, but the code would have been cleaner and made a whole lot more sense had they just written it in C.)

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                It's less confusing that where the developer uses classes at an absurdly granular level and/or buys into the "a method should do only one thing" nonsense. Then there's the one person who uses "var" for every definition in their C# code. The solution is to write aesthetically pleasing code will with meaningful names. In the C++ world, using static properly is a big help. (One thing that cracks me up are devs who criticize global variables and then create a singleton class full of variables. Or, worse, dozens of singleton classes chock full of variables. Speaking of singletons, I recently worked on some code where the original developer had create a factory class that produced exactly one and only one instance. Yes, it was "object" oriented, but the code would have been cleaner and made a whole lot more sense had they just written it in C.)

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                Joe Woodbury wrote:

                Then there's the one person who uses "var" for every definition in their C# code.

                I'm just glad var is shorter and easier to type than dynamic.... :sigh: I'm betting that is going to bite us in a couple of years time.

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                • M Mohammed Hameed

                  It has been noticed that some developers heavily use Global variables, may be without any discomfort. Is it like they get accustomed to it and hence use it? Dont they get confused by over usage?

                  Understand SOLID! Believe SOLID! Try SOLID; your Code becomes Rock SOLID!!!

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                  If there are too many, by definition (of "too") that is bad. Similarly for "over usage".

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                  • J Joe Woodbury

                    It's less confusing that where the developer uses classes at an absurdly granular level and/or buys into the "a method should do only one thing" nonsense. Then there's the one person who uses "var" for every definition in their C# code. The solution is to write aesthetically pleasing code will with meaningful names. In the C++ world, using static properly is a big help. (One thing that cracks me up are devs who criticize global variables and then create a singleton class full of variables. Or, worse, dozens of singleton classes chock full of variables. Speaking of singletons, I recently worked on some code where the original developer had create a factory class that produced exactly one and only one instance. Yes, it was "object" oriented, but the code would have been cleaner and made a whole lot more sense had they just written it in C.)

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                    Joe Woodbury wrote:

                    person who uses "var" for every definition in their C# code

                    Put "using var = System.Int32;" in their code :)

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                      Joe Woodbury wrote:

                      Then there's the one person who uses "var" for every definition in their C# code.

                      I'm just glad var is shorter and easier to type than dynamic.... :sigh: I'm betting that is going to bite us in a couple of years time.

                      The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)

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                      Only if you use it.

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                      “One of the greatest problems of our time is that many are schooled but few are educated”

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                      • M Mohammed Hameed

                        It has been noticed that some developers heavily use Global variables, may be without any discomfort. Is it like they get accustomed to it and hence use it? Dont they get confused by over usage?

                        Understand SOLID! Believe SOLID! Try SOLID; your Code becomes Rock SOLID!!!

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                        AlphaDeltaTheta
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                        When I started learning Java programming in 8th grade, the books only used Global variables, everywhere :doh: even for the loops... That practice continued a long time, unless I learnt what is code! Damn, the books, that teach us wrong concepts in fundamental level

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                        • B BobJanova

                          Well, hamsters' brains aren't that big ... it's cruel enough making them write JavaScript without expecting good JavaScript.

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                          RaisKazi
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                          Agree, have seen this mostly in JavaScript. :laugh: Every developer declaring their on duplicate(purpose) variables and functions to avoid anger of other developers of causing their code to break. :doh:

                          Change is a pattern of life.

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                            Only if you use it.

                            “Education is not the piling on of learning, information, data, facts, skills, or abilities - that's training or instruction - but is rather making visible what is hidden as a seed”
                            “One of the greatest problems of our time is that many are schooled but few are educated”

                            Sir Thomas More (1478 – 1535)

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                            I'm not planning to, but the kind of person who habitually defines everything with var because he's too lazy to think about what his classes should be is just going to love a declaration which turns off compile time checking. He can generate four times as much (completely useless and untested) error and warning free code with dynamic in half the time... :sigh: Then it's someone elses problem to pick up the pieces when it all crashes at run time.

                            The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)

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                              Joe Woodbury wrote:

                              Then there's the one person who uses "var" for every definition in their C# code.

                              I'm just glad var is shorter and easier to type than dynamic.... :sigh: I'm betting that is going to bite us in a couple of years time.

                              The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)

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                              Anyone who declares anything dynamic without a damn good reason should get a slap round the head. It's loose, lazy, unclear and slow. If you know the name of methods that you want to call on an object (which you need to to make dynamic more than just object), you know enough to have it implement an interface and dispatch calls through that.

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                                Anyone who declares anything dynamic without a damn good reason should get a slap round the head. It's loose, lazy, unclear and slow. If you know the name of methods that you want to call on an object (which you need to to make dynamic more than just object), you know enough to have it implement an interface and dispatch calls through that.

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                                The only part of that about which we disagree is the punishment involved. You prefer "slap"; I prefer "baseball bat". I thought it was stupid when they introduced var, while accepting the need when using LINQ. I have yet to see a convincing argument for the very existence of dynamic (and yes, I do Office interop occasionally, and no, I don't use dynamic for it)

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                                • C Chris Maunder

                                  Mohammed Hameed wrote:

                                  Is it like they get accustomed to it and hence use it?

                                  Or they simply don't understand how to write object oriented and/or well architected code.

                                  cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                                  This may be a stupid question, but that is the way I learn: Is there an "official" guide to the proper use of global variables, like a Microsoft guidelines document or something?

                                  Cornelius Henning ---------------------------------------------- "There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in their home." -- Ken Olson, President of DEC, World Future Society Convention, 1977

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                                    I'm not planning to, but the kind of person who habitually defines everything with var because he's too lazy to think about what his classes should be is just going to love a declaration which turns off compile time checking. He can generate four times as much (completely useless and untested) error and warning free code with dynamic in half the time... :sigh: Then it's someone elses problem to pick up the pieces when it all crashes at run time.

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                                    I doubt you'll see a lot of lazy devs overusing dynamic, because it takes away Intellisense, and most of those types rely on Intellisense.

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                                      The only part of that about which we disagree is the punishment involved. You prefer "slap"; I prefer "baseball bat". I thought it was stupid when they introduced var, while accepting the need when using LINQ. I have yet to see a convincing argument for the very existence of dynamic (and yes, I do Office interop occasionally, and no, I don't use dynamic for it)

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                                      I have yet to see a convincing argument for the very existence of dynamic

                                      I've used it when dealing heavily with JSON data.

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                                      • M Mohammed Hameed

                                        It has been noticed that some developers heavily use Global variables, may be without any discomfort. Is it like they get accustomed to it and hence use it? Dont they get confused by over usage?

                                        Understand SOLID! Believe SOLID! Try SOLID; your Code becomes Rock SOLID!!!

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                                        Valery Possoz
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                                        I once worked on a project with over 3000 global variables. The "team leader" did not even know what half of them were suppose to be for... He just use to add new ones!! I let you guess the quality of the project! So yes they get confused... :(

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                                        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                          The only part of that about which we disagree is the punishment involved. You prefer "slap"; I prefer "baseball bat". I thought it was stupid when they introduced var, while accepting the need when using LINQ. I have yet to see a convincing argument for the very existence of dynamic (and yes, I do Office interop occasionally, and no, I don't use dynamic for it)

                                          The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)

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                                          Rob Philpott
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                                          OriginalGriff wrote:

                                          The only part of that about which we disagree is the punishment involved.

                                          Actually I find it often just best to kill them. Does wonders to calm the nerves.

                                          Regards, Rob Philpott.

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