You'd think they'd know better
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Kill teachers and students who learn stuff[^] Yes, because if they know stuff they will be too clever to believe all that bollocks. However, my main rant is that they have changed a lot in the 40 odd years since "A Whiter Shade Of Pale".
--------------------------------- Obscurum per obscurius. Ad astra per alas porci. Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur. CCC Link[^] Can you Help?
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Kill teachers and students who learn stuff[^] Yes, because if they know stuff they will be too clever to believe all that bollocks. However, my main rant is that they have changed a lot in the 40 odd years since "A Whiter Shade Of Pale".
--------------------------------- Obscurum per obscurius. Ad astra per alas porci. Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur. CCC Link[^] Can you Help?
+5 it makes me guessing that Religion at all makes some sort of stupid... :~
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+5 it makes me guessing that Religion at all makes some sort of stupid... :~
There's a big difference of course between: Religion - That by which I bind myself and Faith - Being certain of what is unseen but that's one for the Soap Box
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
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There's a big difference of course between: Religion - That by which I bind myself and Faith - Being certain of what is unseen but that's one for the Soap Box
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
That by which I bind myself
the Problem relating Religion here is: since ancient history the People tend to bind OTHERS to their belief.... to me it seems it is more important for the most religions to evangelism others, not to find your own equlibrium... equlilibrium justifies Religion, and Religion demands for Equilibrium! Equilibrium but i´m just an Atheist, i guess... ;-) edit: seems like i was wearing boxing gloves... :-/
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+5 it makes me guessing that Religion at all makes some sort of stupid... :~
There is a correlation, that is well-documented. But is it causal, and if so, in which direction? Perhaps being stupid makes one more likely to accept religion. That certainly seems plausible. There have been a few studies into that (alleged) causality, but so far, afaik, no conclusive answer has been found.
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There is a correlation, that is well-documented. But is it causal, and if so, in which direction? Perhaps being stupid makes one more likely to accept religion. That certainly seems plausible. There have been a few studies into that (alleged) causality, but so far, afaik, no conclusive answer has been found.
you are right! i guess, that´s a one-way-ticket! if you are stupid, everything you cannot explain, can be explained via some sort of "transcendental" energy, but if you are a bit more educated than, let´s say "necessary", you probably come to the conclusion that Religion is most of the least you´d be "yearning" for... dunno :doh: edit: still wearing boxing gloves...
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Matthew Faithfull wrote:
That by which I bind myself
the Problem relating Religion here is: since ancient history the People tend to bind OTHERS to their belief.... to me it seems it is more important for the most religions to evangelism others, not to find your own equlibrium... equlilibrium justifies Religion, and Religion demands for Equilibrium! Equilibrium but i´m just an Atheist, i guess... ;-) edit: seems like i was wearing boxing gloves... :-/
Clodetta del Mar wrote:
People tend to bind OTHERS to their belief
That is of course only a problem if it is abhorrent in your belief system rather than normal and expected. You could impose that belief system on others but then you'd be in contradiction with it yourself. The only problem I have with it is when people fail to grasp that the idea that proselytizing is bad is itself part of a belief system. After all any belief system that denies its own existence is guaranteed to be wrong according to logic, never mind religion. I have known so many post-modernists who claim to be rational and yet are so far up their own chimney that they deny believing in anything, including apparently their own existence. :wtf:
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
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Kill teachers and students who learn stuff[^] Yes, because if they know stuff they will be too clever to believe all that bollocks. However, my main rant is that they have changed a lot in the 40 odd years since "A Whiter Shade Of Pale".
--------------------------------- Obscurum per obscurius. Ad astra per alas porci. Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur. CCC Link[^] Can you Help?
Abubakar Shekau said schools would continue to be targeted "until our last breath" Nice of him to provide the solution.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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There's a big difference of course between: Religion - That by which I bind myself and Faith - Being certain of what is unseen but that's one for the Soap Box
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
but that's one for the Soap Box
I have no faith in the Soapbox
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Matthew Faithfull wrote:
That by which I bind myself
the Problem relating Religion here is: since ancient history the People tend to bind OTHERS to their belief.... to me it seems it is more important for the most religions to evangelism others, not to find your own equlibrium... equlilibrium justifies Religion, and Religion demands for Equilibrium! Equilibrium but i´m just an Atheist, i guess... ;-) edit: seems like i was wearing boxing gloves... :-/
Clodetta del Mar wrote:
the Problem relating Religion here is:
since ancient history the People tend to bind OTHERS to their belief....Not sure. I think the problem is the people themselves, who have some switch set in their brains that makes them think that they are right no matter what, and that nothing they do in the cause of promoting their rightness is unjustified. I dare say this particular monster, if he were a developer, would be calling for the murder of people who put braces on new lines (or who don't, depending on which one he believes is right).
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Clodetta del Mar wrote:
People tend to bind OTHERS to their belief
That is of course only a problem if it is abhorrent in your belief system rather than normal and expected. You could impose that belief system on others but then you'd be in contradiction with it yourself. The only problem I have with it is when people fail to grasp that the idea that proselytizing is bad is itself part of a belief system. After all any belief system that denies its own existence is guaranteed to be wrong according to logic, never mind religion. I have known so many post-modernists who claim to be rational and yet are so far up their own chimney that they deny believing in anything, including apparently their own existence. :wtf:
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
That is of course only a problem if it is abhorrent in your belief system
abhorrence is Rating. i do not feel the Need to rate other´s opinion(s)... everybody can do/belief/etc what she wants to... as Long as others are not negatively influenced by it... (porn, Children-abuse, women-abuse and so forth) if it is "well-formatted", one can argue, but with primitve things like bows/guns/Waepons at all there´s no Need to talk at least.. sad Thing.... really! :((
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Clodetta del Mar wrote:
the Problem relating Religion here is:
since ancient history the People tend to bind OTHERS to their belief....Not sure. I think the problem is the people themselves, who have some switch set in their brains that makes them think that they are right no matter what, and that nothing they do in the cause of promoting their rightness is unjustified. I dare say this particular monster, if he were a developer, would be calling for the murder of people who put braces on new lines (or who don't, depending on which one he believes is right).
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
that was what i meant whith Equilibrium: if you are Content with your Religion, what does the opinion of others do [maybe again negatively] influence it? why wasting time with thinking about what others do care about? if one finds others that share the same opinion, ok! cool if not, at leat you have the Chance to talk with them about it and try to argue... why rush it that the opposite will adopt your Persuasion? :confused:
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Matthew Faithfull wrote:
That is of course only a problem if it is abhorrent in your belief system
abhorrence is Rating. i do not feel the Need to rate other´s opinion(s)... everybody can do/belief/etc what she wants to... as Long as others are not negatively influenced by it... (porn, Children-abuse, women-abuse and so forth) if it is "well-formatted", one can argue, but with primitve things like bows/guns/Waepons at all there´s no Need to talk at least.. sad Thing.... really! :((
Clodetta del Mar wrote:
everybody can do/belief/etc what she wants to... as Long as others are not negatively influenced by it...
Which is your very reasonable belief but not a belief that is universally shared. Person A believes: Everybody can believe what she wants to... as Long as others are not negatively influenced by it. Person B believes: Everybody must believe X because it is better for them to believe X than to have the choice of what to believe. If Person B goes about imposing his belief in X then he is following his belief system, behaving consistently. He may be right or wrong but logic cannot determine this. If Person A complains saying that Person B is wrong then he IS trying to impose his belief system on Person B. He is in contradiction with his own belief system and behaving inconsistently. Logic says he is wrong regardless of what belief X actually is. In the end the disagreement is a moral judgement about what is negative influence but if you believe that trying to get anyone to believe as you do, proselytizing, is inherently wrong then you logically exclude yourself from any such debate.
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
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Abubakar Shekau said schools would continue to be targeted "until our last breath" Nice of him to provide the solution.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
"until our last breath" what he really means is "my followers last breath, not mine if I can help it"
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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Clodetta del Mar wrote:
everybody can do/belief/etc what she wants to... as Long as others are not negatively influenced by it...
Which is your very reasonable belief but not a belief that is universally shared. Person A believes: Everybody can believe what she wants to... as Long as others are not negatively influenced by it. Person B believes: Everybody must believe X because it is better for them to believe X than to have the choice of what to believe. If Person B goes about imposing his belief in X then he is following his belief system, behaving consistently. He may be right or wrong but logic cannot determine this. If Person A complains saying that Person B is wrong then he IS trying to impose his belief system on Person B. He is in contradiction with his own belief system and behaving inconsistently. Logic says he is wrong regardless of what belief X actually is. In the end the disagreement is a moral judgement about what is negative influence but if you believe that trying to get anyone to believe as you do, proselytizing, is inherently wrong then you logically exclude yourself from any such debate.
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
actually you got it a nutshell... :thumbsup: but, i must Counter again, Person B is - as far as i can judge it - on the "failure trail" maybe some sort of under-employment occured to it? Person B mustn´t think about other´s Needs.. why? does it make your belief System work different if there are tens of hundreds that follow your belief instead of tens of twenty? :doh: :doh: ok, why not founding a new Religion? :confused:
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Abubakar Shekau said schools would continue to be targeted "until our last breath" Nice of him to provide the solution.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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+5 it makes me guessing that Religion at all makes some sort of stupid... :~
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it makes me guessing that Religion at all makes some sort of stupid...
You can't possibly compare this religion to all other religions and make a generalized statement like that.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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it makes me guessing that Religion at all makes some sort of stupid...
You can't possibly compare this religion to all other religions and make a generalized statement like that.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
at least: you saw, i´m able to do that... :suss:
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it makes me guessing that Religion at all makes some sort of stupid...
You can't possibly compare this religion to all other religions and make a generalized statement like that.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Of course you can. They're pretty much identical. The only thing different is who preaches and what they want to preach. I think Christianity 1k years ago was pretty much what Islam is now in some countries, immoral, self righteous, bent on enslaving people by denying education. Noticing this paints a clear picture on how much humans can corrupt such a simple and peaceful message presented by some religions. The created the holy books, they distort the holy books because they can't admit the message itself is distorted by the writers human nature/culture/experiences, they change everything to just fit how they BELIEVE their thing should be.
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it makes me guessing that Religion at all makes some sort of stupid...
You can't possibly compare this religion to all other religions and make a generalized statement like that.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.