Thank you Mr. President
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I'm 26. When I was young, I'd stay up at night because I was scared the Russians would launch a nuclear attack. During your father's presidency, that fear was removed. The US had outspent the Russians, bankrupting the country. We had the money, they didn't. Now under your presidency, I find myslef afraid again. This time it's not the Russians, it's the terrorists. Chem/Bio and to a degree nuclear weapons are on my mind. I thought we no longer had to live in fear, but I was wrong. Does Saddam have chem/bio weapons? Surely. Should he be allowed to have them? No. Is he in violation of UN resolutions? Absolutely. Does he pose an immediate threat to the US or the world's people? No. Sadam, while a defiant person is largely at the mercy of the UN. He won't attack anyone for a long time. North Korea on the other hand is openly defiant, fully nuclear, and the US is within their striking distance. The economy is also in the shitter. I'd much rather worry about the wolved inside our fences and not the ones outside. You say "They tried to kill my daddy." That's really mature. Personal vendentas are not to be carried out while the president. You father took office knowing full well the dangers of being the most powerful man in the world. Yet you push to olbiterate this person. What will be the end result? No more Sadam, but you'll have stirred up a whole hornet's nest. A lot of people hate the US because we meddle to much in the affairs of other countries. In the mean time at home here, you've taken our privacy, and restricted our freedoms. We are almost back the the WWII air raid drills of my parents and grand parents. I image gieger counters will be issued again, but this time for dirty bombs. All for what? So you can get revenge for someone who attempted to kill your "daddy"? I'm sorry Mr. President, but the terrorists are winning. And you're the MVP on their team. They've cause you and congress to take away the things that we hold most dear. Our rights and our freedoms. They are slowly turning us into them, and I want no part of it. I urge you to stop carring out your vendetta, and put the focus where it really belongs. At home on the economy, and on North Korea. Sadam is small potaotes...
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I'm 26. When I was young, I'd stay up at night because I was scared the Russians would launch a nuclear attack. During your father's presidency, that fear was removed. The US had outspent the Russians, bankrupting the country. We had the money, they didn't. Now under your presidency, I find myslef afraid again. This time it's not the Russians, it's the terrorists. Chem/Bio and to a degree nuclear weapons are on my mind. I thought we no longer had to live in fear, but I was wrong. Does Saddam have chem/bio weapons? Surely. Should he be allowed to have them? No. Is he in violation of UN resolutions? Absolutely. Does he pose an immediate threat to the US or the world's people? No. Sadam, while a defiant person is largely at the mercy of the UN. He won't attack anyone for a long time. North Korea on the other hand is openly defiant, fully nuclear, and the US is within their striking distance. The economy is also in the shitter. I'd much rather worry about the wolved inside our fences and not the ones outside. You say "They tried to kill my daddy." That's really mature. Personal vendentas are not to be carried out while the president. You father took office knowing full well the dangers of being the most powerful man in the world. Yet you push to olbiterate this person. What will be the end result? No more Sadam, but you'll have stirred up a whole hornet's nest. A lot of people hate the US because we meddle to much in the affairs of other countries. In the mean time at home here, you've taken our privacy, and restricted our freedoms. We are almost back the the WWII air raid drills of my parents and grand parents. I image gieger counters will be issued again, but this time for dirty bombs. All for what? So you can get revenge for someone who attempted to kill your "daddy"? I'm sorry Mr. President, but the terrorists are winning. And you're the MVP on their team. They've cause you and congress to take away the things that we hold most dear. Our rights and our freedoms. They are slowly turning us into them, and I want no part of it. I urge you to stop carring out your vendetta, and put the focus where it really belongs. At home on the economy, and on North Korea. Sadam is small potaotes...
Scorp1us wrote: I'm 26. When I was young, I'd stay up at night because I was scared the Russians would launch a nuclear attack. ??? I am 36 and I never lived in fear that Russia would attack us. My biggest fear at that time was that some piss ass 3rd world country or one of the mideastern countries would provoke them and cause a war that no one could control. Does he pose an immediate threat to the US or the world's people? No. ??? Anyone that poses a threat to freedom poses a direct threat to the US. We have been shown that by the actions of 9/11. Sadam, while a defiant person is largely at the mercy of the UN. ??? I don't see how anyone could be at the mercy of the UN given their present performance. The UN has no power past that of it's membership and that even appears to be slipping lately. North Korea on the other hand is openly defiant, fully nuclear, and the US is within their striking distance. ??? The last time I checked North Korea was on the other side of the world and has no ICBM capabilities. As far as I am aware they have several long range weapons but nothing that can get here as a direct threat. NK has also shown in the past that they will at least LISTEN when spoken to. The entire crisis in NK could be avoided if we flooded them with US cash. That's all they want. They are not on some foolish religious vendetta, they are not calling us infidels. They don't have a pot to piss in and want a part of what we have. MONEY. I believe that China will take care of them if it comes to that, in fact they already have stated intentions of doing so. I do not think that NK could get a missile across the water even if they had the missiles to try it. They would have to go over China and there is no way in hell that would get very far. In the mean time at home here, you've taken our privacy, and restricted our freedoms. We are almost back to the WWII air raid drills of my parents and grand parents. I image gieger counters will be issued again, but this time for dirty bombs. ??? Don't fool your self. Privacy was a thing of the past a long time ago. Credit cards, the internet and all other forms of consumer related tracking took those away. Restricted freedom? How so? By asking to see a passport to get on a plane? By asking to see ID when buying a gun? By asking for proof that you are who you say you are when you travel? What kind of crap is that. It is the openness and freedom that we have that allows terrorists into thi
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I'm 26. When I was young, I'd stay up at night because I was scared the Russians would launch a nuclear attack. During your father's presidency, that fear was removed. The US had outspent the Russians, bankrupting the country. We had the money, they didn't. Now under your presidency, I find myslef afraid again. This time it's not the Russians, it's the terrorists. Chem/Bio and to a degree nuclear weapons are on my mind. I thought we no longer had to live in fear, but I was wrong. Does Saddam have chem/bio weapons? Surely. Should he be allowed to have them? No. Is he in violation of UN resolutions? Absolutely. Does he pose an immediate threat to the US or the world's people? No. Sadam, while a defiant person is largely at the mercy of the UN. He won't attack anyone for a long time. North Korea on the other hand is openly defiant, fully nuclear, and the US is within their striking distance. The economy is also in the shitter. I'd much rather worry about the wolved inside our fences and not the ones outside. You say "They tried to kill my daddy." That's really mature. Personal vendentas are not to be carried out while the president. You father took office knowing full well the dangers of being the most powerful man in the world. Yet you push to olbiterate this person. What will be the end result? No more Sadam, but you'll have stirred up a whole hornet's nest. A lot of people hate the US because we meddle to much in the affairs of other countries. In the mean time at home here, you've taken our privacy, and restricted our freedoms. We are almost back the the WWII air raid drills of my parents and grand parents. I image gieger counters will be issued again, but this time for dirty bombs. All for what? So you can get revenge for someone who attempted to kill your "daddy"? I'm sorry Mr. President, but the terrorists are winning. And you're the MVP on their team. They've cause you and congress to take away the things that we hold most dear. Our rights and our freedoms. They are slowly turning us into them, and I want no part of it. I urge you to stop carring out your vendetta, and put the focus where it really belongs. At home on the economy, and on North Korea. Sadam is small potaotes...
I am being tactful here so bear with me, I haven't had much practise... Scorp1us wrote: When I was young, I'd stay up at night because I was scared the Russians would launch a nuclear attack [...] I find myslef afraid again. This time it's not the Russians, it's the terrorists. Chem/Bio and to a degree nuclear weapons are on my mind. Are you seriously speaking for yourself there, or just making a point? I'm just curious, I just can't imagine why any of this should have any immeadiate effect on your life (any more than any other time of your life). I guess I just don't see the point, never have done, in fretting over things you have no control over. And if you were, why do you feel that way? Is it your own choice, is it from your media, your community, your family? I've very interested in this.
David Wulff
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Scorp1us wrote: I'm 26. When I was young, I'd stay up at night because I was scared the Russians would launch a nuclear attack. ??? I am 36 and I never lived in fear that Russia would attack us. My biggest fear at that time was that some piss ass 3rd world country or one of the mideastern countries would provoke them and cause a war that no one could control. Does he pose an immediate threat to the US or the world's people? No. ??? Anyone that poses a threat to freedom poses a direct threat to the US. We have been shown that by the actions of 9/11. Sadam, while a defiant person is largely at the mercy of the UN. ??? I don't see how anyone could be at the mercy of the UN given their present performance. The UN has no power past that of it's membership and that even appears to be slipping lately. North Korea on the other hand is openly defiant, fully nuclear, and the US is within their striking distance. ??? The last time I checked North Korea was on the other side of the world and has no ICBM capabilities. As far as I am aware they have several long range weapons but nothing that can get here as a direct threat. NK has also shown in the past that they will at least LISTEN when spoken to. The entire crisis in NK could be avoided if we flooded them with US cash. That's all they want. They are not on some foolish religious vendetta, they are not calling us infidels. They don't have a pot to piss in and want a part of what we have. MONEY. I believe that China will take care of them if it comes to that, in fact they already have stated intentions of doing so. I do not think that NK could get a missile across the water even if they had the missiles to try it. They would have to go over China and there is no way in hell that would get very far. In the mean time at home here, you've taken our privacy, and restricted our freedoms. We are almost back to the WWII air raid drills of my parents and grand parents. I image gieger counters will be issued again, but this time for dirty bombs. ??? Don't fool your self. Privacy was a thing of the past a long time ago. Credit cards, the internet and all other forms of consumer related tracking took those away. Restricted freedom? How so? By asking to see a passport to get on a plane? By asking to see ID when buying a gun? By asking for proof that you are who you say you are when you travel? What kind of crap is that. It is the openness and freedom that we have that allows terrorists into thi
Ray Cassick wrote: The last time I checked North Korea was on the other side of the world and has no ICBM capabilities you should check again. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A63598-2003Feb12.html[^] Ray Cassick wrote: They would have to go over China remember, the world is a sphere. Ray Cassick wrote: Restricted freedom? How so? for one, all public libraries are now required to provide your check-out history to the FBI, even if no crime has been committed. you can be monitored merely on suspicion. and, the library cannot tell you if the FI is watching you. do some searches on Total Information Access, too. and then think how the govt will now imprison US citizens, without trial, without charging them, without an attorney, based on suspicion. the TSA has now told airports to search random cars at airports. the linked article brings up a few interesting points: 1. does the federal govt. have the power to tell local law enforcement to do this? 2. does this violate the 4th amendment? 3. some states already refuse to do random drunk-driving screenings. is this the same thing? little by little, our much-lauded "freedom" is being chipped away. Ray Cassick wrote: Sadam is just an ostentatious Bin laden when you look past all the crap. exept for that minor fact that Saddam has never attacked the US. -c
When history comes, it always takes you by surprise.
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Scorp1us wrote: I'm 26. When I was young, I'd stay up at night because I was scared the Russians would launch a nuclear attack. ??? I am 36 and I never lived in fear that Russia would attack us. My biggest fear at that time was that some piss ass 3rd world country or one of the mideastern countries would provoke them and cause a war that no one could control. Does he pose an immediate threat to the US or the world's people? No. ??? Anyone that poses a threat to freedom poses a direct threat to the US. We have been shown that by the actions of 9/11. Sadam, while a defiant person is largely at the mercy of the UN. ??? I don't see how anyone could be at the mercy of the UN given their present performance. The UN has no power past that of it's membership and that even appears to be slipping lately. North Korea on the other hand is openly defiant, fully nuclear, and the US is within their striking distance. ??? The last time I checked North Korea was on the other side of the world and has no ICBM capabilities. As far as I am aware they have several long range weapons but nothing that can get here as a direct threat. NK has also shown in the past that they will at least LISTEN when spoken to. The entire crisis in NK could be avoided if we flooded them with US cash. That's all they want. They are not on some foolish religious vendetta, they are not calling us infidels. They don't have a pot to piss in and want a part of what we have. MONEY. I believe that China will take care of them if it comes to that, in fact they already have stated intentions of doing so. I do not think that NK could get a missile across the water even if they had the missiles to try it. They would have to go over China and there is no way in hell that would get very far. In the mean time at home here, you've taken our privacy, and restricted our freedoms. We are almost back to the WWII air raid drills of my parents and grand parents. I image gieger counters will be issued again, but this time for dirty bombs. ??? Don't fool your self. Privacy was a thing of the past a long time ago. Credit cards, the internet and all other forms of consumer related tracking took those away. Restricted freedom? How so? By asking to see a passport to get on a plane? By asking to see ID when buying a gun? By asking for proof that you are who you say you are when you travel? What kind of crap is that. It is the openness and freedom that we have that allows terrorists into thi
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Scorp1us wrote: I'm 26. When I was young, I'd stay up at night because I was scared the Russians would launch a nuclear attack. ??? I am 36 and I never lived in fear that Russia would attack us. My biggest fear at that time was that some piss ass 3rd world country or one of the mideastern countries would provoke them and cause a war that no one could control. Does he pose an immediate threat to the US or the world's people? No. ??? Anyone that poses a threat to freedom poses a direct threat to the US. We have been shown that by the actions of 9/11. Sadam, while a defiant person is largely at the mercy of the UN. ??? I don't see how anyone could be at the mercy of the UN given their present performance. The UN has no power past that of it's membership and that even appears to be slipping lately. North Korea on the other hand is openly defiant, fully nuclear, and the US is within their striking distance. ??? The last time I checked North Korea was on the other side of the world and has no ICBM capabilities. As far as I am aware they have several long range weapons but nothing that can get here as a direct threat. NK has also shown in the past that they will at least LISTEN when spoken to. The entire crisis in NK could be avoided if we flooded them with US cash. That's all they want. They are not on some foolish religious vendetta, they are not calling us infidels. They don't have a pot to piss in and want a part of what we have. MONEY. I believe that China will take care of them if it comes to that, in fact they already have stated intentions of doing so. I do not think that NK could get a missile across the water even if they had the missiles to try it. They would have to go over China and there is no way in hell that would get very far. In the mean time at home here, you've taken our privacy, and restricted our freedoms. We are almost back to the WWII air raid drills of my parents and grand parents. I image gieger counters will be issued again, but this time for dirty bombs. ??? Don't fool your self. Privacy was a thing of the past a long time ago. Credit cards, the internet and all other forms of consumer related tracking took those away. Restricted freedom? How so? By asking to see a passport to get on a plane? By asking to see ID when buying a gun? By asking for proof that you are who you say you are when you travel? What kind of crap is that. It is the openness and freedom that we have that allows terrorists into thi
An exellent reponse. I for one echo your sentiments. Some ideas are so stupid that only an intellectual could have thought of them - George Orwell
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I am being tactful here so bear with me, I haven't had much practise... Scorp1us wrote: When I was young, I'd stay up at night because I was scared the Russians would launch a nuclear attack [...] I find myslef afraid again. This time it's not the Russians, it's the terrorists. Chem/Bio and to a degree nuclear weapons are on my mind. Are you seriously speaking for yourself there, or just making a point? I'm just curious, I just can't imagine why any of this should have any immeadiate effect on your life (any more than any other time of your life). I guess I just don't see the point, never have done, in fretting over things you have no control over. And if you were, why do you feel that way? Is it your own choice, is it from your media, your community, your family? I've very interested in this.
David Wulff
I shared this guys fears a little. We (Swedes) were crammed between NATO and Soviet. If there was going to be war, Sweden was ultimately going to be an offramp for either side. And we would have tasted the nuclear waste after the US bombardment too. :) -- Chatai. Yana ra Yakana ro futisha ta?
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I am being tactful here so bear with me, I haven't had much practise... Scorp1us wrote: When I was young, I'd stay up at night because I was scared the Russians would launch a nuclear attack [...] I find myslef afraid again. This time it's not the Russians, it's the terrorists. Chem/Bio and to a degree nuclear weapons are on my mind. Are you seriously speaking for yourself there, or just making a point? I'm just curious, I just can't imagine why any of this should have any immeadiate effect on your life (any more than any other time of your life). I guess I just don't see the point, never have done, in fretting over things you have no control over. And if you were, why do you feel that way? Is it your own choice, is it from your media, your community, your family? I've very interested in this.
David Wulff
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I am speaking for myself. When you're a kid, you don't exactly think rationally. I agree that fretting over things outside my control is a rather futile excercise, but part of being human is not being 100% logical.
Even as a kid there must have been reasons, kids typically mirror their parents and families - was there a feeling of fear amongst them (if you can remember)?
David Wulff
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Even as a kid there must have been reasons, kids typically mirror their parents and families - was there a feeling of fear amongst them (if you can remember)?
David Wulff
Movies actually. There were a good number of them in the US un the 80s about that. Movies about surviving the inital blast and life after. Also, we were so close to nuclear war in the Cuban missle crisis. Thank god for alchol. Without it, it would have ended in war. Only recently that Cuba had nukes on the beaches if the US has tried an invasion.
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Movies actually. There were a good number of them in the US un the 80s about that. Movies about surviving the inital blast and life after. Also, we were so close to nuclear war in the Cuban missle crisis. Thank god for alchol. Without it, it would have ended in war. Only recently that Cuba had nukes on the beaches if the US has tried an invasion.
Scorp1us wrote: Movies about surviving the inital blast and life after. Oh my... that is, well, astonishing! Thanks for the insight.
David Wulff
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Ray Cassick wrote: The last time I checked North Korea was on the other side of the world and has no ICBM capabilities you should check again. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A63598-2003Feb12.html[^] Ray Cassick wrote: They would have to go over China remember, the world is a sphere. Ray Cassick wrote: Restricted freedom? How so? for one, all public libraries are now required to provide your check-out history to the FBI, even if no crime has been committed. you can be monitored merely on suspicion. and, the library cannot tell you if the FI is watching you. do some searches on Total Information Access, too. and then think how the govt will now imprison US citizens, without trial, without charging them, without an attorney, based on suspicion. the TSA has now told airports to search random cars at airports. the linked article brings up a few interesting points: 1. does the federal govt. have the power to tell local law enforcement to do this? 2. does this violate the 4th amendment? 3. some states already refuse to do random drunk-driving screenings. is this the same thing? little by little, our much-lauded "freedom" is being chipped away. Ray Cassick wrote: Sadam is just an ostentatious Bin laden when you look past all the crap. exept for that minor fact that Saddam has never attacked the US. -c
When history comes, it always takes you by surprise.
Chris Losinger wrote: remember, the world is a sphere. Yeah, but I think if cross borders were a worry they would go across Japan instead, heh, if they can put a satallite in Orbit they can go whichever way they want. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I'm guessing the concept of a 2 hour movie showing two guys eating a meal and talking struck them as 'foreign' Rob Manderson wrote: