Which code you suggest?
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ryanb31 wrote:
I prefer the second method.
You can't be serious! /ravi
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:confused: Wait a sec. When did i suggest to use a GOTO? I was saying that a RETURN is always a more readable and efficient alternative to a superfluous flag varible.:confused: I too would use a flag if the alternative were a GOTO, there is no YMMV on this subject. For me GOTO is only acceptable in assembler. On any other language If an entanglement of If-elses requires a GOTO to get out, I would rewrite the damn thing because that shit is akin to blasphemy. :wtf:
I didn't say you did, I just listed a number of possible scenarios, some of them beyond those you were considering. You asserted that introducing a flag is unneccessary, and I disagree: if you need to clean up resources, you can not immediately
return! In that case, what will you do: copy/paste the clean-up code at every location in your function where you need a prematurereturn, usegoto, or introduce a flag? For me, the answer is the latter. -
Code1:
Boolean DoSomething(string\[\] values) { foreach (string s in values) if (s == "ABC") return true; return false; }Code2:
Boolean DoSomething(string[] values)
{
bool retValue = false;
foreach (string s in values)
if (s == "ABC")
retValue=true;
return retValue;
}in the above 2 codes which code you will suggest and why? waiting for your valuable comments. Thanks --RA
Second method if security is a concern (methods like that are not vulnerable to timing attacks[^]); first in all other cases (the first method will always execute in N time, the second is O(N)).
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Flags and/or gotos are both reasonable approaches in languages that don't have a try...finally construct and I've written code using both approaches in many different languages. Since the OP was obviously C# I assumed that is what we were talking about, and in C# the try..finally (or the "using" construct, when applicable) is definitely the cleanest approach to making sure your resource cleanup happens, even when you don't think exceptions enter into the picture, though in my experience most cases where resource cleanup happens, exceptions at the .NET framework level are almost always a possibility. And no I wouldn't suggest try..finally for the original post because no resource cleanup is involved.
Ok, lets forget language (old C) specific concerns: Assuming you have exceptions, yes, I agree that you can reasonably handle many cases of premature returns that way. However, my take on exceptions is that code running as expected shouldn't throw one! Finding an element with specific properties in a container does not warrant throwing an exception, whether or not you need clean-up. Look at the following code, ignoring language specific elements:
// find first elementwithin tolerance of a given value
// return element ID
int find(Container c, double value, double tol)
{
int result = INVALID_ID; // some constant that is not a valid element ID
do_some_intialization();
for(size_t index = 0; index < c.size(); ++index)
{
if (element.distance(value) < tol)
{
result = element.ID();
}
}
do_some_clean_up();
return result;
}There are various solutions to short-cut the loop once it finds a fitting element: 1. use some command that breaks out of the innermost loop (in C/C++ you can use
break) 2. attach the check(result==INVALID_ID)to the loop header, so it quits once you assign a valid ID. (not sure how to do that withfor_eachin C#, but a standardforloop lets you add an arbitrary number of stop conditions easily) 3. Introduce a flag variable that indicates when you're done searching. As it would pretty much just store the current value of(result==INVALID_ID)in this case, you might as well go with solution 2 above 4. throwing an exception, catching it with try/finally to ensure proper cleaning up In this example, my suggestion of introducing a flag variable turns out to be unneccesary, as the result variable itself can be used to pretty much the same effect. In my experience, this is often the case, so the effort to use these kind of checks instead of prematurereturns orgotos is often rather low. Using an exception would certainly work, but it conflicts with my understanding of what an exception means. Also, if you do catch actual error cases with exceptions within that same code, you need to make sure to not catch the 'good-case-exceptions' as errors! If you have no problem with that, the more power to you. But I prefer not to go that route. -
Ok, lets forget language (old C) specific concerns: Assuming you have exceptions, yes, I agree that you can reasonably handle many cases of premature returns that way. However, my take on exceptions is that code running as expected shouldn't throw one! Finding an element with specific properties in a container does not warrant throwing an exception, whether or not you need clean-up. Look at the following code, ignoring language specific elements:
// find first elementwithin tolerance of a given value
// return element ID
int find(Container c, double value, double tol)
{
int result = INVALID_ID; // some constant that is not a valid element ID
do_some_intialization();
for(size_t index = 0; index < c.size(); ++index)
{
if (element.distance(value) < tol)
{
result = element.ID();
}
}
do_some_clean_up();
return result;
}There are various solutions to short-cut the loop once it finds a fitting element: 1. use some command that breaks out of the innermost loop (in C/C++ you can use
break) 2. attach the check(result==INVALID_ID)to the loop header, so it quits once you assign a valid ID. (not sure how to do that withfor_eachin C#, but a standardforloop lets you add an arbitrary number of stop conditions easily) 3. Introduce a flag variable that indicates when you're done searching. As it would pretty much just store the current value of(result==INVALID_ID)in this case, you might as well go with solution 2 above 4. throwing an exception, catching it with try/finally to ensure proper cleaning up In this example, my suggestion of introducing a flag variable turns out to be unneccesary, as the result variable itself can be used to pretty much the same effect. In my experience, this is often the case, so the effort to use these kind of checks instead of prematurereturns orgotos is often rather low. Using an exception would certainly work, but it conflicts with my understanding of what an exception means. Also, if you do catch actual error cases with exceptions within that same code, you need to make sure to not catch the 'good-case-exceptions' as errors! If you have no problem with that, the more power to you. But I prefer not to go that route.I think you've completely misunderstood what I said. I am in no way advocating introducing new exceptions as a way of prematurely ending a loop. What I am advocating is using language constructs (try...finally or using(...)) specifically designed help ensure safe cleanup regardless of how you exit the function/procedure. It's simply cleaner and easier to get it right than using other methods, especially when there is the possibility of exceptions, which it turns out is almost always when using resources that need to be explicitly cleaned up in languages that provide those constructs.
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Quote:
You can't be serious!
I do like to joke around a lot, but yes, I can be serious at times.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
So if the array contained a million strings, the first of which was "ABC", you'd check every single string even though you already know you have a match? :confused: /ravi
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So if the array contained a million strings, the first of which was "ABC", you'd check every single string even though you already know you have a match? :confused: /ravi
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No. I would exit the loop.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
And that's what example #1 does, not #2. /ravi
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And that's what example #1 does, not #2. /ravi
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Yes, but it returns out of the function, which is the actual debate. So, example 2, even though it has several issues, it does not exit the function, which is what I support. However, what I would do is set the variable as in example #2 and then exit the loop.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Code1:
Boolean DoSomething(string\[\] values) { foreach (string s in values) if (s == "ABC") return true; return false; }Code2:
Boolean DoSomething(string[] values)
{
bool retValue = false;
foreach (string s in values)
if (s == "ABC")
retValue=true;
return retValue;
}in the above 2 codes which code you will suggest and why? waiting for your valuable comments. Thanks --RA
Neither; I prefer not to end a
foreachwhen aforwill work just as well (if not better).bool result = false ;
for ( int i = 0 ; !result && i < values.Length ; i++ )
{
result = values [ i ] == "ABC" ;
}return ( result ) ;
This could also lead to a discussion of ifless programming. :-D
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Yes, but it returns out of the function, which is the actual debate. So, example 2, even though it has several issues, it does not exit the function, which is what I support. However, what I would do is set the variable as in example #2 and then exit the loop.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
ryanb31 wrote:
However, what I would do is set the variable as in example #2 and then exit the loop.
Ah, OK then. :) /ravi
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But you're missing the fact that you can exit a loop when you find what you need. You don't have to continue processing.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
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... until you introduce code that needs clean-up at one point or another. Many of the functions I look at every day are a decade old or more, and consist of several hundred lines of codes with half a dozen levels of nesting or more. Every single one of them allocates stuff, or does something else requiring cleanup. More often than not, this happens before something else happens that necessitates a premature return. Some of the really old functions use
goto exit;to immediately jump to the cleanup code. I use a flag. Sure, not everyone works on such a codebase. But the truth is, the majority of programmers doesn't work on brand-new projects either. 80% work on internal programs designed to improve certain processes inside of a single company. Lots of code, and sometimes with a lifetime higher than that of some of their current programmers. In that context, IME, premature returns are almost always a bad idea.Stefan_Lang wrote:
premature returns are almost always a bad idea
:thumbsup: Definitely a code smell.
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Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
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Code1:
Boolean DoSomething(string\[\] values) { foreach (string s in values) if (s == "ABC") return true; return false; }Code2:
Boolean DoSomething(string[] values)
{
bool retValue = false;
foreach (string s in values)
if (s == "ABC")
retValue=true;
return retValue;
}in the above 2 codes which code you will suggest and why? waiting for your valuable comments. Thanks --RA
I guess, I would try something like:
Boolean DoSomething(string[] values)
{bool retValue = false; if (values != null) for(int i = 0; i < values.Count(); i++) { if (values\[i\] == "ABC") { retValue = true; i = values.Count(); } } return retValue; }I know the example is a simple loop, but thinking in maintenance and performance this will: - Avoid the internal context and memory usage of a FOREACH (FOR is recommended when u do only 1 single access to the object[i]) - Use of a state variable for a return is recommended rater that having a lot of returns. (readability?) - The Return in the for or foreach cause a BREAK, if I'm not wrong that was expensive in the past, not sure with modern languages.
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Code1:
Boolean DoSomething(string\[\] values) { foreach (string s in values) if (s == "ABC") return true; return false; }Code2:
Boolean DoSomething(string[] values)
{
bool retValue = false;
foreach (string s in values)
if (s == "ABC")
retValue=true;
return retValue;
}in the above 2 codes which code you will suggest and why? waiting for your valuable comments. Thanks --RA
the first because it will terminate the loop on the first found string, and is thus faster. The second loops the whole array regardless.
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I refuse to hire anyone who subscribes to that inane single exit nonsense. And that code is awful for other reasons too. The correct code is
return values.Any(s => s == "ABC")
unless it can be proved to be a performance bottleneck.
That may be OK for C#; but how does it translate to other languages?
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Code1:
Boolean DoSomething(string\[\] values) { foreach (string s in values) if (s == "ABC") return true; return false; }Code2:
Boolean DoSomething(string[] values)
{
bool retValue = false;
foreach (string s in values)
if (s == "ABC")
retValue=true;
return retValue;
}in the above 2 codes which code you will suggest and why? waiting for your valuable comments. Thanks --RA
I know you were asking for another thing - but the code and alternative you presented are not equal - so someone has to choose Option 1, because this code is the correct one (exit Loop on found string) - so you second DoSomething should do break the loop after a value was found (you will have to add the brackets you left away ;P ) Btw. are you new on "the Internet"? :laugh: It feels about the billionth discussion about early exit vs. single return point - AFAIK this will forever be a matter of style and choise...
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I guess, I would try something like:
Boolean DoSomething(string[] values)
{bool retValue = false; if (values != null) for(int i = 0; i < values.Count(); i++) { if (values\[i\] == "ABC") { retValue = true; i = values.Count(); } } return retValue; }I know the example is a simple loop, but thinking in maintenance and performance this will: - Avoid the internal context and memory usage of a FOREACH (FOR is recommended when u do only 1 single access to the object[i]) - Use of a state variable for a return is recommended rater that having a lot of returns. (readability?) - The Return in the for or foreach cause a BREAK, if I'm not wrong that was expensive in the past, not sure with modern languages.
Hm, interesting, I can agree a Little on your first point - although this is no practical thinking for most .NET developers, because the "perfomance" impact is outweighted by more expressive code - I do express something when I write "foreach" (I express I want to do something FOR EACH element, don't depend on index or IList, just IEnumerable, I won't need an index, I don't need a break condition, ...). So the additional 2 context variables used internally by the foreach loop are fast earned back... Point 2 will never be decided on "the Internet" - recommended? - not by me - it depends to much on overall style of the code (a lot of coders first evaluate all arguments and do early returns) and personal choice - and if you do "Microoptimazations" in .NET like you/I did in old c++ days, you should do early returns - so, readability (for you) or performance? Point 3, though irrelevant for this discussion because this code should break on any found case (op alternatives are not equivalent), but I'm wondering why you think setting the variable to the break condition and evaluate it again is faster than a break statement? If this is any faster (I will test) this is intersting to know - it seems you are the master of "high perfomance super optimized .NET code" - but I'm not shure if .NET is the right realm for code which needs this kind of optimizations - shouldn't we do such perf. critical things in native code? Kind regards Johannes
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Hm, interesting, I can agree a Little on your first point - although this is no practical thinking for most .NET developers, because the "perfomance" impact is outweighted by more expressive code - I do express something when I write "foreach" (I express I want to do something FOR EACH element, don't depend on index or IList, just IEnumerable, I won't need an index, I don't need a break condition, ...). So the additional 2 context variables used internally by the foreach loop are fast earned back... Point 2 will never be decided on "the Internet" - recommended? - not by me - it depends to much on overall style of the code (a lot of coders first evaluate all arguments and do early returns) and personal choice - and if you do "Microoptimazations" in .NET like you/I did in old c++ days, you should do early returns - so, readability (for you) or performance? Point 3, though irrelevant for this discussion because this code should break on any found case (op alternatives are not equivalent), but I'm wondering why you think setting the variable to the break condition and evaluate it again is faster than a break statement? If this is any faster (I will test) this is intersting to know - it seems you are the master of "high perfomance super optimized .NET code" - but I'm not shure if .NET is the right realm for code which needs this kind of optimizations - shouldn't we do such perf. critical things in native code? Kind regards Johannes
Good reply!, I already don't remember if the Break is expensive, hasn't google.... but I remember it was like using the old GOTO, developer just avoids it when possible. Yes, if we just think in the original code example, there is like no discussion, the code is so simple that it will return with the first find, so no real issues. But you have talk about something that I has been seen in the "modern" developers and languages (not sure if can apply to the original topic):
"it seems you are the master of ""high perfomance super optimized .NET code"" - but I'm not shure if .NET is the right realm for code which needs this kind of optimizations - shouldn't we do such perf. critical things in native code?"
With modern PCs, the increase of memory and processors speeds (also number of CPUS) developers are forgetting about performance, speed and memory issues, its like they don't remember that the memory is not infinite, and that with the speed of data increase the application can go from 1 minute process to 1 week in a couple of months... I'm no a Performance maniac, but I worked like 4 year in Windows Mobile (C#) and I learned how important it is, and in fact has been a good ADD ON in today projects, I can "easy-sly" understand where our current project will fall and in fact they has fail (I was totally ignored by no mobile developers, then they didn't toke my recommendation, 2 months later the application was failed with Out of memory, with Time out, bandwidth, channel amount of data, with tooo long process).. today my coworkers are taking care of it, but they learned in the wrong way, when it failed in Production. I can say I'm a little worried about modern programing, because our Junior are not facing those Memory and Performance issues, even my Cell Phone have more CPUs and Memory than my 4 years old PC... then neither current mobile developers are facing performance issues until its too late and they will be the Senniors of tomorrow