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  • L lewax00

    We just received an email, with an attached PDF, containing a black & white scan, of a printout, of a screenshot of an error message that was in a copyable text box. W. T. E. :doh: :confused:

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    dan sh
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    Are you my colleague?

    "Bastards encourage idiots to use Oracle Forms, Web Forms, Access and a number of other dinky web publishing tolls.", Mycroft Holmes[^]

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    • L lewax00

      We just received an email, with an attached PDF, containing a black & white scan, of a printout, of a screenshot of an error message that was in a copyable text box. W. T. E. :doh: :confused:

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      Lost User
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      Ya complain when the users don't give you exact error messages and you complain when they do...

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      • L lewax00

        We just received an email, with an attached PDF, containing a black & white scan, of a printout, of a screenshot of an error message that was in a copyable text box. W. T. E. :doh: :confused:

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        ZurdoDev
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        Wait a second. So, reverse engineering the process you are saying that they 0. Took a screenshot 1. Printed it. 2. Scanned it to pdf as black and white 3. Then emailed it to you. Look on the bright side, at least they sent it as a pdf instead of a .tiff. :)

        There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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        • L lewax00

          We just received an email, with an attached PDF, containing a black & white scan, of a printout, of a screenshot of an error message that was in a copyable text box. W. T. E. :doh: :confused:

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          Bassam Abdul Baki
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          Make sure to take a picture of yourself viewing that error and sending it back to them to let them know you're working on it.

          Web - BM - RSS - Math - LinkedIn

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          • B Bassam Abdul Baki

            Make sure to take a picture of yourself viewing that error and sending it back to them to let them know you're working on it.

            Web - BM - RSS - Math - LinkedIn

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            Lost User
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            No, if at all, then he should send a black and white scan of a printout of a scan.... you know.

            Sent from my BatComputer via HAL 9000 and M5

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            • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

              You're lucky it was a screenshot. I've had error messages sent through where the user's taken a picture of the screen with their phone. X|


              "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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              mla154
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              How would you describe the picture? What did it look like? Was it clear? Impossible to read? Just curious. Regards, Mike

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              • M mla154

                How would you describe the picture? What did it look like? Was it clear? Impossible to read? Just curious. Regards, Mike

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                Richard Deeming
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                It was sideways, and quite blurry.


                "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

                "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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                • L Lost User

                  Ya complain when the users don't give you exact error messages and you complain when they do...

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                  Roger Wright
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                  Exactly! What a lot of whiners! When I was doing computer repair I would have paid users who would give me a clear description of the problem! A picture would have been heaven compared to the more usual, "It don't work."

                  Will Rogers never met me.

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                  • L lewax00

                    We just received an email, with an attached PDF, containing a black & white scan, of a printout, of a screenshot of an error message that was in a copyable text box. W. T. E. :doh: :confused:

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                    Dan Neely
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                    Yeah. They forgot the step where they took a picture on a wooden table[^].

                    Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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                    • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                      It was sideways, and quite blurry.


                      "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                      mla154
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                      I wonder if they looked at the picture before sending it to you. :laugh: Regards, Mike

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                      • Z ZurdoDev

                        Wait a second. So, reverse engineering the process you are saying that they 0. Took a screenshot 1. Printed it. 2. Scanned it to pdf as black and white 3. Then emailed it to you. Look on the bright side, at least they sent it as a pdf instead of a .tiff. :)

                        There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                        lewax00
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                        ryanb31 wrote:

                        at least they sent it as a pdf instead of a .tiff.

                        I see that as exactly the opposite. I work with TIFFs everyday (I'm actually working on a library to render them in HTML canvases in my free time, so I'm getting pretty familiar with all the gritty details). PDFs on the other hand, have been the indirect cause of pretty much every bit of stress over the last ~3 weeks (due to a bug in our PDF decoding library that is proving rather difficult to pin down). ;P EDIT: Also, I think they printed it in B&W then scanned it, hard to be sure though.

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                        • L lewax00

                          ryanb31 wrote:

                          at least they sent it as a pdf instead of a .tiff.

                          I see that as exactly the opposite. I work with TIFFs everyday (I'm actually working on a library to render them in HTML canvases in my free time, so I'm getting pretty familiar with all the gritty details). PDFs on the other hand, have been the indirect cause of pretty much every bit of stress over the last ~3 weeks (due to a bug in our PDF decoding library that is proving rather difficult to pin down). ;P EDIT: Also, I think they printed it in B&W then scanned it, hard to be sure though.

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                          ZurdoDev
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                          I work with TIFFs everyday

                          Holy smokes! You are the first person I have ever known of to be using tiffs. I can now cross this off my bucket list. Thanks.

                          There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                          • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                            You're lucky it was a screenshot. I've had error messages sent through where the user's taken a picture of the screen with their phone. X|


                            "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                            Gary Wheeler
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                            Richard Deeming wrote:

                            user's taken a picture of the screen with their phone

                            Don't knock it. One of the most useful error reports I've received in recent memory included a two minute video taken with the service engineer's phone that demonstrated what the customer was doing to cause the problem. Without the video I wouldn't have had a clue what was going on. With it, it was straightforward to find and fix.

                            Software Zen: delete this;

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                              Yeah. They forgot the step where they took a picture on a wooden table[^].

                              Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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                              Colin Mullikin
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                              WTE?! :confused:

                              The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin

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                              • Z ZurdoDev

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                                I work with TIFFs everyday

                                Holy smokes! You are the first person I have ever known of to be using tiffs. I can now cross this off my bucket list. Thanks.

                                There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                                lewax00
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                                Well, I work in a program that users often scan documents into, and TIFF has always been well supported by scanners. And there's the fact that it can have multiple pages, making it even better for the task. Add in the extensibility (that we don't make use of), and it's a pretty powerful format without being ridiculously complicated; the spec is around 100 pages IIRC, vs. nearly 700 for PDF v1.3 (I think it's on v1.7 now, so that's probably even longer).

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                                • K kmoorevs

                                  :laugh: That is funny! At least my customers have figured out the 'Print Screen' key and how to paste into a word doc. It's actually not a bad way to report an error, as the context is usually revealed in the image.

                                  "Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse

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                                  That really annoys me. Just send me the image, that way I can make it big enough to read, and if you could learn to crop... A screen shot of two large, widescreen monitors reduced to the size of a portrait word doc is impossible to read.

                                  “I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks

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                                    That really annoys me. Just send me the image, that way I can make it big enough to read, and if you could learn to crop... A screen shot of two large, widescreen monitors reduced to the size of a portrait word doc is impossible to read.

                                    “I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks

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                                    kmoorevs
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                                    ChrisElston wrote:

                                    and if you could learn to crop...

                                    :laugh: Yeah, I tried teaching them Alt+PrntSrn but it was too confusing. I'm just glad I they give me a heads up before calling for a remote or worse yet, starting a remote unannonced, just so they can show me a 'time-run error', as one user called it.

                                    "Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse

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                                      I work with TIFFs everyday

                                      Holy smokes! You are the first person I have ever known of to be using tiffs. I can now cross this off my bucket list. Thanks.

                                      There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                                      r_hyde
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                                      You can cross it off twice! I also work where lots of paper is scanned, and TIFF rules the roost 'round here. Over the years I've written lots of code to do various interesting things with them (mostly because the company I work for has a serious Not Invented Here syndrome). When much of the development work involves manipulating multi-page scans at a low level from many different sources, any sane person* would take TIFF any day of the week over PDF! *not to imply that I fit that description

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                                      • L lewax00

                                        We just received an email, with an attached PDF, containing a black & white scan, of a printout, of a screenshot of an error message that was in a copyable text box. W. T. E. :doh: :confused:

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                                        Joe Woodbury
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                                        I've done that when the underlying window context is important.

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                                        • L lewax00

                                          We just received an email, with an attached PDF, containing a black & white scan, of a printout, of a screenshot of an error message that was in a copyable text box. W. T. E. :doh: :confused:

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                                          r_hyde
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                                          I've had tickets like that before. I had one where someone took a screenshot, then pasted it into Word, then (mystifyingly) took a screenshot of Word and attached that to the ticket. By that point, the original screenshot was shrunk to the point of uselessness. One wonders the thought process behind something like that.

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