There are times that Android is far, far better than Windows
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I have about three apps that sometimes refuse to display if they are closed and reopened - I have to swipe them off the "recent apps" list before they will work again. Other than that, nothing has crashed once - the tablet only gets re-started when Android itself updates, so that's three times (I think) in 8 months. There is no way on earth my Win7 desktop could survive that long without slowing to a crawl! :laugh:
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I rarely reboot my windows machine and it's been solid. As with all things, your mileage may vary. I have had a really solid run with Win7, and an awful time with Android. I love my Macs, but I want to throw them out the window everytime the apps lockup while waiting on file or network operations - yet others never seem to have this priblem. I think if we step back and look at what our Operating Systems do today, and the look at the ridiculously teeny tiny and crazy powerful devices we now use, it's pretty amazing all round. The bar has been raised and we're a fickle bunch, but overall life's pretty good for us devs right now.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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I rarely reboot my windows machine and it's been solid. As with all things, your mileage may vary. I have had a really solid run with Win7, and an awful time with Android. I love my Macs, but I want to throw them out the window everytime the apps lockup while waiting on file or network operations - yet others never seem to have this priblem. I think if we step back and look at what our Operating Systems do today, and the look at the ridiculously teeny tiny and crazy powerful devices we now use, it's pretty amazing all round. The bar has been raised and we're a fickle bunch, but overall life's pretty good for us devs right now.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
I agree - but it's not just devs. The life of the user is better now than it's ever been as well. I'm sure you remember the pre PC days, and what fun it was to enter a single wrong character in a long input...then swear and curse the VDU blue. App crash, but even the poor ones don't do it anywhere near as much as they used to: even in the days of Win 98 the blue screen of death was a daily occurrence. I'd just like to see a bit less of the "mine's better because it is" attitude and a bit more "that's good for the user" because that's gotta be good for everybody, not just the poor sods we code for! :laugh: BTW: how things have changed: Google grammar checker just replaced "got to" to "gotta" in that last sentence. I'd have got a thick ear from my English teacher for that!
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I agree - but it's not just devs. The life of the user is better now than it's ever been as well. I'm sure you remember the pre PC days, and what fun it was to enter a single wrong character in a long input...then swear and curse the VDU blue. App crash, but even the poor ones don't do it anywhere near as much as they used to: even in the days of Win 98 the blue screen of death was a daily occurrence. I'd just like to see a bit less of the "mine's better because it is" attitude and a bit more "that's good for the user" because that's gotta be good for everybody, not just the poor sods we code for! :laugh: BTW: how things have changed: Google grammar checker just replaced "got to" to "gotta" in that last sentence. I'd have got a thick ear from my English teacher for that!
The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)
OriginalGriff wrote:
Google grammar checker just replaced "got to" to "gotta"
You're shi..kidding me? That's the saddest thing I've heard in a long time.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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OriginalGriff wrote:
Google grammar checker just replaced "got to" to "gotta"
You're shi..kidding me? That's the saddest thing I've heard in a long time.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
I wish I was... :sigh:
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Out of date? Yeah, the 2.6 kernel is old, but it is used a lot for embedded devices like Android since it is stable and works. If you want an old kernel look at windows, it goes back to 2000 in a pretty much unchanged state.
Erudite_Eric wrote:
If you want an old kernel look at windows, it goes back to 2000 in a pretty much unchanged state.
Actually I think the "kernel" might have had some updates since then. Given, they're more like hot-fixes though. The main "updates" was stuff like driver interfaces, API's and the UI. If you ignore those, then the kernel is not too much removed from the original Windows NT kernel - i.e. early 90's as stolen from IBM's OS2 joint venture with MS & IBM!
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Not heard of the LFE! :laugh: I remember Windows 3.11- "Windows for Warehouses" - though.
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OriginalGriff wrote:
Not heard of the LFE! :laugh:
I remember Windows 3.11- "Windows for Warehouses" - though.That was followed by Windows NT (not there). That version was combined with Windows CE and the later Windows ME to make Windows CEMENT.
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Ehhmmmm, I will only say... Windows Millenium and Windows Vista
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Ehhmmmm, I will only say... Windows Millenium and Windows Vista
Paraphrasing Richard's point, "Polished software only comes from professional teams" is not the same as "professional teams only produce polished software" Remember that just because p -> q doesn't mean that q -> p.
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Nah, I didn't talk about WP, I talk about the good old desktop windows that has no way of knowing how is it connected.
Beauty cannot be defined by abscissas and ordinates; neither are circles and ellipses created by their geometrical formulas. Carl von Clausewitz Source
Windows 8 and 8.1 both have the ability to detect when they are using metered connections, such as 3G networks. You can set Windows to not update or do certain things when it is connected to these networks.
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When MS wants to update itself, it just nags at you, or forces a restart. My Nexus 7 has just notified me that it's downloaded Android 4.3 but there isn't enough battery to upgrade it, but that's OK - connect it to the charger and it'll do it then... MS: take note, please. Upgrades can be done transparently... And politely!
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OriginalGriff wrote:
When MS wants to update itself, it just nags at you, or forces a restart.
That's why some people disable automatic updates (I don't because 1. I'm too lazy and 2. I shutdown my computer daily so I restart it frequently enough so I don't get a nag from Windows Update)
OriginalGriff wrote:
My Nexus 7 has just notified me that it's downloaded Android 4.3 but there isn't enough battery to upgrade it, but that's OK - connect it to the charger and it'll do it then...
My Android tablet tell me that there are updates (into which i'm not interested), but there is no way I can dismiss it other than going into the configuration and disabling the Update Service. By the way, i'm still waiting for the ICS update for my phone even while it has been in the wild from almost a year. Easy updates? only for Google devices.
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I don't like automatic/transparent updates. I want to be able to reject updates. It's one of the great things about Windows.
Take my like. What some people say is good about android, is actually horrible.
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To produce polished software requires a dedicated team of professionals working specifically toward that goal, as in a big corporation.
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Ehhmmmm, I will only say... Windows Millenium and Windows Vista
Paraphrasing Richard's point, "Polished software only comes from professional teams" is not the same as "professional teams only produce polished software" Remember that just because p -> q doesn't mean that q -> p.
Polished software takes time, when you marketing want to force down customer unfinished software you get Windows Vista, it is not a worse product, it is just not done, wait another 2-3 years and you get excellent Windows 7 that is just the same thing, but actually done.
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To produce polished software requires a dedicated team of professionals working specifically toward that goal, as in a big corporation.
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Ehhmmmm, I will only say... Windows Millenium and Windows Vista
Paraphrasing Richard's point, "Polished software only comes from professional teams" is not the same as "professional teams only produce polished software" Remember that just because p -> q doesn't mean that q -> p.
Polished software takes time, when your marketing want to force down customer unfinished software you get Windows Vista, it is not a worse product, it is just not done, wait another 2-3 years and you get excellent Windows 7 that is just the same thing, but actually done.
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I don't like automatic/transparent updates. I want to be able to reject updates. It's one of the great things about Windows.
PIEBALDconsult wrote:
I want to be able to reject updates.
If only those arsewipes at Adobe were so obliging.
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Out of date? Yeah, the 2.6 kernel is old, but it is used a lot for embedded devices like Android since it is stable and works. If you want an old kernel look at windows, it goes back to 2000 in a pretty much unchanged state.
Don't say shit that you don't know. First start by reading all the Windows Internals books, then come back.
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My Linux Thunderbird email client automatically prompts for attachments when it detects context, and reminds you at send time. If you select text for a reply, it pastes it automatically into the pane without intervention. When the pathetic offerings from MS do that, then they will have caught up. The reason Linux hasn't caught on is because hardware manufacturers are scared of free software, and scared of losing their cosy relationship with MS business discounts. I bailed on MS 4 years ago and haven't looked back. And yes, ten years ago the Hemp-sandalled weirdos did run Linux, and yes they are jerks, but no longer.
Simon O'Riordan from UK wrote:
My Linux Thunderbird email client automatically prompts for attachments when it detects context, and reminds you at send time. If you select text for a reply, it pastes it automatically into the pane without intervention. When the pathetic offerings from MS do that, then they will have caught up
The first is rather interesting but not really significant. And of course it ends up asking when there is no need. Not sure what the second point means. As I remember I can set up Outlook to send text replies. One thing not mentioned is that Thunderbird is no longer being enhanced by Mozilla. MS still supports Outlook. And on the plus side Outlook has the calendar.
Simon O'Riordan from UK wrote:
The reason Linux hasn't caught on is because hardware manufacturers are scared of free software, and scared of losing their cosy relationship with MS business discounts
Not sure what that means. What exactly do you consider a "hardware manufacturer"? There is a vast array of embedded development with OSes and very few of those are windows. And those that are not windows are all unix variants (there might be some very few examples using something else but not even close to significant.) I suspect that almost every computer that isn't specifically marketed to users as a consumer runs unix variants. iOS and Android are both unix based and Android is specifically Linux based.
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Windows 8 and 8.1 both have the ability to detect when they are using metered connections, such as 3G networks. You can set Windows to not update or do certain things when it is connected to these networks.
Let me upgrade then :-D
Beauty cannot be defined by abscissas and ordinates; neither are circles and ellipses created by their geometrical formulas. Carl von Clausewitz Source
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...And then there are times when MSDOS is far, far better than Android. Depends on your requirements and expectations. Surface RT was a huge fail, but I think it was a worthy foray into the tablet market for MS. People are just not ready to get rid of the desktop-with-icons UX yet, but I have a feeling that this will change in time. Remember VISTA? What happened to that? The most successful desktop ever launched was built off of it. I will never really fully understand the psyche of those who proclaim one platform over another. Why not choose the one that works for you and shut up about those that don't instead of turning into a religious platform zealot? NO, I am not referring to you with that statement, but to those who do the whole "X is greater than Y" thing in general. I love WIN8 on my ATIV, but I am not telling everyone how Android will never meet their needs, simply because my needs are not theirs.
Good answer.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Polished software takes time, when your marketing want to force down customer unfinished software you get Windows Vista, it is not a worse product, it is just not done, wait another 2-3 years and you get excellent Windows 7 that is just the same thing, but actually done.
You're falling into the same trap I just mentioned. "Polished software takes time" doesn't imply that "Given time, all software is polished software". The problem with Microsoft is that they want to claim that all of their software is polished, based on their brand name, when there have been more than enough cases where that isn't true.
