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My plan was to cut the tubing with the tubing-cutter I'd have used to cut the copper. Remember, this is 1/4" OD (ca. 6mm) tubing and if I don't use the tubing cutter I'll use a sharp knife. There seems to only be one brand offered for this translucent white polyethylene tubing - and much to my dismay, it's made in China. I'll make due. Luckily, as I've 25' and need ca. 15', I'll leave enough slack to be sure I can redo the fittings. Thanks - now I've votes for both options. Gives me the confidence to know I am perplexed for good cause.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
much to my dismay, it's made in China
Why should that be a cause for dismay? They probably also made 85% of your car (the bits that don't need to be repaired/replaced every five minutes), your TV, your bicycle/motorbike, and most of your computer (unless you're an apple user, in which case they made all of it). Poor quality stuff from China is only poor quality because it's made to specs provided by westerners who only care about making as much profit as possible.
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My contractor, who like most in our area, walked out near the end of the job, left some what I will loosely term as vandalism.* One of these items was putting a kink in the copper tubing that supplies water to refrigerator's ice-maker. So here's the question: The tube mainly runs throug a moist 18" (0.5m) sand-floor crawl space under my house. I drilled through the cabinet and floor in order to have a straight known route from under sink into the crawlspace. Now here's the dilemma: I can fix it by either (1) getting a short piece of copper tubing and connecting it (under the house) to the remaining piece with a 1/4" compression union, or (2) running some 1/4" polyethylene tubing end-to-end. For method (1), I feel more confident about my compressions fittings being brass-on-copper, but one fitting will be under the house and out of sight (making future leaks unnoticed). For method two, I'll only have two connections, both in the kitchen level where they can be observed, but the brass-on-polyethylene is not as secure in the long term (?) but I'll see the problems and can address them easily. Both of these can be done by a single person - running the full length in copper is difficult in that work area and would take help, including shouting through a R19 fiberglass insulated floor. Any experience/suggestions? * may his private parts dry up and burn whilst he looks on helplessly.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
A lot depends on the climate where you live. That translucent plastic is fairly resistant to splitting due to freezing, but in the heat prevalent where I live, it tends to become brittle and crack in a just a couple of years. A good compression connection can be made using either the plastic or copper - just be sure to cut the plastic square ( I use a razor blade ), and use the brass insert that should come with the fitting. Under the house it will not be exposed to a lot of heat, wherever you live, so the end-to-end run using plastic is the option I'd choose, given your choices. For my own house, though, I'd redo the entire run in copper, or extend the CPVC piping under the house up to a floor valve behind the fridge and use plastic from there. But that's just me... Go with the plastic; it will be fine, I'm sure. :)
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
much to my dismay, it's made in China
Why should that be a cause for dismay? They probably also made 85% of your car (the bits that don't need to be repaired/replaced every five minutes), your TV, your bicycle/motorbike, and most of your computer (unless you're an apple user, in which case they made all of it). Poor quality stuff from China is only poor quality because it's made to specs provided by westerners who only care about making as much profit as possible.
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Yeah - it's always the fault of the Western Devils! - How could I have missed that? That's why the Chinese poison their own people (and others outside of China) with deliberately tainted baby food. Western goods of comparatively lower quality? I believe you'll find that (Chinese) counterfeits are to blame. I don't know where you get your made-in-China stuff, but it's typically flimsy and poorly made: a slave labor force tend not to put their heart in their work. And (if you look it up) the term slave labor is not far from how so many of these factories are run, the workers being held as virtual prisoners. That is the fault of their government**:** the Communists (ironically) put money above all else!
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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A lot depends on the climate where you live. That translucent plastic is fairly resistant to splitting due to freezing, but in the heat prevalent where I live, it tends to become brittle and crack in a just a couple of years. A good compression connection can be made using either the plastic or copper - just be sure to cut the plastic square ( I use a razor blade ), and use the brass insert that should come with the fitting. Under the house it will not be exposed to a lot of heat, wherever you live, so the end-to-end run using plastic is the option I'd choose, given your choices. For my own house, though, I'd redo the entire run in copper, or extend the CPVC piping under the house up to a floor valve behind the fridge and use plastic from there. But that's just me... Go with the plastic; it will be fine, I'm sure. :)
Will Rogers never met me.
This poll of sorts is leaning toward the polyethylene tubing. A local plumbing supply recommended I replace the line with the plastic rather than couple the copper. They cater to the trade and close early, so I had my wife stop by to pick up some plastic ferrules - they gave them to her for free and threw in some brass inserts. Definitely a different kind of business attitude than Home Depot!
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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My contractor, who like most in our area, walked out near the end of the job, left some what I will loosely term as vandalism.* One of these items was putting a kink in the copper tubing that supplies water to refrigerator's ice-maker. So here's the question: The tube mainly runs throug a moist 18" (0.5m) sand-floor crawl space under my house. I drilled through the cabinet and floor in order to have a straight known route from under sink into the crawlspace. Now here's the dilemma: I can fix it by either (1) getting a short piece of copper tubing and connecting it (under the house) to the remaining piece with a 1/4" compression union, or (2) running some 1/4" polyethylene tubing end-to-end. For method (1), I feel more confident about my compressions fittings being brass-on-copper, but one fitting will be under the house and out of sight (making future leaks unnoticed). For method two, I'll only have two connections, both in the kitchen level where they can be observed, but the brass-on-polyethylene is not as secure in the long term (?) but I'll see the problems and can address them easily. Both of these can be done by a single person - running the full length in copper is difficult in that work area and would take help, including shouting through a R19 fiberglass insulated floor. Any experience/suggestions? * may his private parts dry up and burn whilst he looks on helplessly.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
Use the compression brass fittings. I always use solder, but I am a real man, but for you girlies the compression fittings are OK. :)
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This poll of sorts is leaning toward the polyethylene tubing. A local plumbing supply recommended I replace the line with the plastic rather than couple the copper. They cater to the trade and close early, so I had my wife stop by to pick up some plastic ferrules - they gave them to her for free and threw in some brass inserts. Definitely a different kind of business attitude than Home Depot!
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
Good move! But I still like Home Depot. I've got a slab of concrete to pour and finish, and it was the only place in the area where I could find a float and a fresno to do the job. :-D
Will Rogers never met me.
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Yeah - it's always the fault of the Western Devils! - How could I have missed that? That's why the Chinese poison their own people (and others outside of China) with deliberately tainted baby food. Western goods of comparatively lower quality? I believe you'll find that (Chinese) counterfeits are to blame. I don't know where you get your made-in-China stuff, but it's typically flimsy and poorly made: a slave labor force tend not to put their heart in their work. And (if you look it up) the term slave labor is not far from how so many of these factories are run, the workers being held as virtual prisoners. That is the fault of their government**:** the Communists (ironically) put money above all else!
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
My wife is Chinese, born and bred in Shanghai, and I've spent about a year there (various regions) myself. I believe that that qualifies my statements somewhat more than yours, which appear to be based on the scare-tactic propaganda used in the West (which, of course, never produces cr@p or knock-off products -- because it's cheaper to get them made in China/Korea/the Philippines). I have to say that I'm heartily sick of hearing all the slave-labour cr@p. Wages are lower in China because they haven't has all the greed-induced rampant inflation that the West has brought upon itself in the last 60 years. And, incidentally, most of the world's millionaires are Chinese.
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My wife is Chinese, born and bred in Shanghai, and I've spent about a year there (various regions) myself. I believe that that qualifies my statements somewhat more than yours, which appear to be based on the scare-tactic propaganda used in the West (which, of course, never produces cr@p or knock-off products -- because it's cheaper to get them made in China/Korea/the Philippines). I have to say that I'm heartily sick of hearing all the slave-labour cr@p. Wages are lower in China because they haven't has all the greed-induced rampant inflation that the West has brought upon itself in the last 60 years. And, incidentally, most of the world's millionaires are Chinese.
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
My wife is Chinese, born and bred in Shanghai, and I've spent about a year there (various regions) myself. I believe that that qualifies my statements somewhat more than yours, . . .
On the contrary - you clearly are blinded be either her 'old country' bias. That, and your own (recurrent) personal anti-west political agenda. The poison baby formula wasn't even the first event, although confined to China, itself: pets died in the USA (and elsewhere) because the "fortified" pet-food with plastic (more correctly, monomeric precursors) to give it an apparently high protein value. Lead based pigments in (exported) children's crayons. On and on . . . ho hum . . . let's not worry about those things . . . there's always an excuse to be had . . . or simply just blame the west. That's worked for decades.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
My wife is Chinese, born and bred in Shanghai, and I've spent about a year there (various regions) myself. I believe that that qualifies my statements somewhat more than yours, . . .
On the contrary - you clearly are blinded be either her 'old country' bias. That, and your own (recurrent) personal anti-west political agenda. The poison baby formula wasn't even the first event, although confined to China, itself: pets died in the USA (and elsewhere) because the "fortified" pet-food with plastic (more correctly, monomeric precursors) to give it an apparently high protein value. Lead based pigments in (exported) children's crayons. On and on . . . ho hum . . . let's not worry about those things . . . there's always an excuse to be had . . . or simply just blame the west. That's worked for decades.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
Keep reading the propaganda. You've got no need to know anything about the country and its people. God knows that no US company has ever done anything at all, ever, that even stood the remotest possibilities of a chance of hurting US citizens -- or citizens of any other country, for that matter -- but if, by some terrible accident they did (because they would never, ever do it on purpose or for profit, obviously), we wouldn't want to be bothered by the details of that, would we? It's far more important and realistic to hold up details of individual @rseholes in other countries as examples of the entire populace of the countries.
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Keep reading the propaganda. You've got no need to know anything about the country and its people. God knows that no US company has ever done anything at all, ever, that even stood the remotest possibilities of a chance of hurting US citizens -- or citizens of any other country, for that matter -- but if, by some terrible accident they did (because they would never, ever do it on purpose or for profit, obviously), we wouldn't want to be bothered by the details of that, would we? It's far more important and realistic to hold up details of individual @rseholes in other countries as examples of the entire populace of the countries.
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
God knows that no US Chinese company or government agency has ever done anything at all, ever, that even stood the remotest possibilities of a chance of hurting US their own citizens and innocent humans throughout the world.
Only three years? Why in the world did you ever leave that Asian Utopia ? ? ?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
God knows that no US Chinese company or government agency has ever done anything at all, ever, that even stood the remotest possibilities of a chance of hurting US their own citizens and innocent humans throughout the world.
Only three years? Why in the world did you ever leave that Asian Utopia ? ? ?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
You are talking about China, but you know nothing about China. Oh, wait. This is the Internet. Carry on. You're in the right place, with plenty of company.
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You are talking about China, but you know nothing about China. Oh, wait. This is the Internet. Carry on. You're in the right place, with plenty of company.
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
You are talking about China, but you know nothing about China.
Following your usual style, you know nothing about what I know - but don't hesitate to draw conclusions from your own fantasies . . . I will not dignify your biased, self important, and all-knowing attitude with the description 'pompous'. The rest of your message fits you perfectly - you must hear/read it quite often.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Use the compression brass fittings. I always use solder, but I am a real man, but for you girlies the compression fittings are OK. :)
I haven't sweated a joint (silver solder, no less) in roughly three decades. Considering where the work is to be done and that I no longer have the equipment to do such work (i.e., my glass-blowing torch, &etc), I'll just have to pass on doing it the manly way. Last night, in honor of the definitive answers I received, I drank a large cup of white wine with dinner, watched some TV, and went to sleep (passed out?). It was good.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
You are talking about China, but you know nothing about China.
Following your usual style, you know nothing about what I know - but don't hesitate to draw conclusions from your own fantasies . . . I will not dignify your biased, self important, and all-knowing attitude with the description 'pompous'. The rest of your message fits you perfectly - you must hear/read it quite often.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
The trouble is that you are talking about China, and you do know nothing it. You're just spouting the same old propagandist cr@p that politicians and the right-wing press use to scare people. Do you know how many developers there are in China? Ten million is a drop in the bucket. But how many are here, on CP, and how many come here, but leave quickly? It doesn't take much to figure out why these millions upon millions of intelligent, educated, talented developers stay away.
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The trouble is that you are talking about China, and you do know nothing it. You're just spouting the same old propagandist cr@p that politicians and the right-wing press use to scare people. Do you know how many developers there are in China? Ten million is a drop in the bucket. But how many are here, on CP, and how many come here, but leave quickly? It doesn't take much to figure out why these millions upon millions of intelligent, educated, talented developers stay away.
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Your so right - why even the Chinese Government was taken in by the Capitalist Devils and their Infernal Propaganda Engine! China promotes breast-feeding amid tainted milk^ We all know there's nothing really wrong with Chinese made baby formula!
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Your so right - why even the Chinese Government was taken in by the Capitalist Devils and their Infernal Propaganda Engine! China promotes breast-feeding amid tainted milk^ We all know there's nothing really wrong with Chinese made baby formula!
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
And still, you can only spout propaganda to condemn an entire country over one, single scandal. Let's talk about some other scandalous behaviour, shall we[^]? And that's not even propaganda; it's just plain ol' reporting of facts. And let's not go anywhere near the behaviour of the financial sector in the US -- I hope you and no-one near you lost their jobs or homes in any of the crashes that have been caused by those mindlessly greedy b*st*rds. God, I also hope no-one decent ever goes to the US -- they must all be criminals, murderers, and sexual predators, there, going by the (non-propaganda) information that is readily available about the country.
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And still, you can only spout propaganda to condemn an entire country over one, single scandal. Let's talk about some other scandalous behaviour, shall we[^]? And that's not even propaganda; it's just plain ol' reporting of facts. And let's not go anywhere near the behaviour of the financial sector in the US -- I hope you and no-one near you lost their jobs or homes in any of the crashes that have been caused by those mindlessly greedy b*st*rds. God, I also hope no-one decent ever goes to the US -- they must all be criminals, murderers, and sexual predators, there, going by the (non-propaganda) information that is readily available about the country.
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Another worthless red-herring excuse for China. As for excusing Chinese abuse of just about everything, It doesn't matter crap what other countries or corporations do. China still does what it does. You keep trying to change the discussion. The working conditions there, where the government is powerful and relatively all knowing, point to acceptance of virtual slavery and imprisonment if it makes good money. Only when it comes out in the open do they react. As long as the money keeps rushing in they'll do their best to look the other way. Get over trying to excuse China's behavior because other do wrong. That type of empty argument may work in some mutual admiration society you frequent but not out in the real world.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Another worthless red-herring excuse for China. As for excusing Chinese abuse of just about everything, It doesn't matter crap what other countries or corporations do. China still does what it does. You keep trying to change the discussion. The working conditions there, where the government is powerful and relatively all knowing, point to acceptance of virtual slavery and imprisonment if it makes good money. Only when it comes out in the open do they react. As long as the money keeps rushing in they'll do their best to look the other way. Get over trying to excuse China's behavior because other do wrong. That type of empty argument may work in some mutual admiration society you frequent but not out in the real world.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
I'm not trying to excuse anything. What I'm saying it that there are scumbags in every country, and no government is good to all of the people in the country. With a country as large and diverse as China, "pleasing all the people" can happen no time. You, on the other hand, are talking like a propagandist, who is accusing an entire nation of 1.3 billion people of being scumbags, but refusing to accept that there are scumbags in your own country. Worst of all, you appear to have no interest whatsoever in learning anything about what you are talking about, and even less interest in seeing that worse things are done "at home". China has never caused worldwide crises in the financial markets just to turn a buck, ruining the lives of countless millions of people, in the process. China has never sent troops to massacre miners and others whose only crime was to want to create a union to protect the rights of workers. China has never all but wiped out the indigenous population of a country. China has not dropped more bombs on civilian "targets" during peacetime than any other country in the history of the world (take a guess at which country is miles out in front on that scorecard). Murders make the news, in China, despite the size of the population. Can we name a country where most murders don't? Etc. Etc. The number of people in China who live lifestyles above the US national average is greater than the population of the US. In the US, it's about 28% of the population, and millions of people are living in enforced poverty, from which there is no escape, because it's too profitable for other great US citizens to prevent them improving their lot. Cast out the mote in thine own eye, buddy, and don't hang on the words of profiteers who want to make others look bad so that they can make more profit and/or distract you from what they're doing to you behind your back.
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I'm not trying to excuse anything. What I'm saying it that there are scumbags in every country, and no government is good to all of the people in the country. With a country as large and diverse as China, "pleasing all the people" can happen no time. You, on the other hand, are talking like a propagandist, who is accusing an entire nation of 1.3 billion people of being scumbags, but refusing to accept that there are scumbags in your own country. Worst of all, you appear to have no interest whatsoever in learning anything about what you are talking about, and even less interest in seeing that worse things are done "at home". China has never caused worldwide crises in the financial markets just to turn a buck, ruining the lives of countless millions of people, in the process. China has never sent troops to massacre miners and others whose only crime was to want to create a union to protect the rights of workers. China has never all but wiped out the indigenous population of a country. China has not dropped more bombs on civilian "targets" during peacetime than any other country in the history of the world (take a guess at which country is miles out in front on that scorecard). Murders make the news, in China, despite the size of the population. Can we name a country where most murders don't? Etc. Etc. The number of people in China who live lifestyles above the US national average is greater than the population of the US. In the US, it's about 28% of the population, and millions of people are living in enforced poverty, from which there is no escape, because it's too profitable for other great US citizens to prevent them improving their lot. Cast out the mote in thine own eye, buddy, and don't hang on the words of profiteers who want to make others look bad so that they can make more profit and/or distract you from what they're doing to you behind your back.
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First of all - and last of all - I never condemned the Chinese as a people - although you seem to think that a criticism of China equates to that. You practice, in general, is to pervert my (and by implication, I suggest information in general) to fit you unique reality. Perhaps you should got to that symbol of the freedom enjoyed by that "can't please everybody" government's loving care for it's people, Tienanmen Square, and remember how that lovely government liberated the people in the square from their desire for democracy. Your statistics continue your reliance on changing the subject by pointing the finger at other wrongs as an excuse. None-the-less, you primary defense for your views is to change the subject. IF I FOLLOWED YOUR REASONING, I'd condemn Christianity for the almost indescribable cruelty and evil they've done in the world to (non-Christians in particular) during their history. Fortunately, I don't follow your reasoning.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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First of all - and last of all - I never condemned the Chinese as a people - although you seem to think that a criticism of China equates to that. You practice, in general, is to pervert my (and by implication, I suggest information in general) to fit you unique reality. Perhaps you should got to that symbol of the freedom enjoyed by that "can't please everybody" government's loving care for it's people, Tienanmen Square, and remember how that lovely government liberated the people in the square from their desire for democracy. Your statistics continue your reliance on changing the subject by pointing the finger at other wrongs as an excuse. None-the-less, you primary defense for your views is to change the subject. IF I FOLLOWED YOUR REASONING, I'd condemn Christianity for the almost indescribable cruelty and evil they've done in the world to (non-Christians in particular) during their history. Fortunately, I don't follow your reasoning.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
your reliance on changing the subject by pointing the finger at other wrongs as an excuse
I do not make excuses for scumbags, I simply am not a racist who uses one, single example of scumbags to defame an entire nation, as you have.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
IF I FOLLOWED YOUR REASONING, I'd condemn Christianity for the almost indescribable cruelty and evil they've done in the world to (non-Christians in particular) during their history.
And so you should, because what is evidenced is that some people are scumbags, no matter their nationality, creed, religion, or whatever. I hope that you are never in the position of being defamed because of the behaviour of scumbags that share your nationality, the way you defame the entire population of China for the behaviour of a few Chinese scumbags (or, rather, uneducated Chinese idiots, who thought that what they were doing was harmless). You should be happy that the Chinese scumbags in your one example of how evil every Chinese person is were dealt with by the law. When such things happen in the West, the likelihood is always high that such scumbags can buy a way around the law.
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