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  • N Nueman

    PB 369,783 wrote:

    I'm off home as this has literally wound me up.

    FTFY

    What me worry?

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    Tom Clement
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    Ouch!

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    • L Lost User

      Now I don't normally get to pedantic about English, grammar etc but this one[^] particularly gets on my tits. Both the wrong usage of it and the fact it is now going in the Dictionary because people can't use it properly. What do others think of this? To give an example 'This literally made my blood boil" and "I was literally climbing the ceiling". I mean if literally means not literally then how can we emphasise that "We literally shat ourselves" for example. I'm off home as this has wound me up.

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      Smart K8
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      I thing its terribly good. ;)

      Wisdom is to see the things as they really are.

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      • L Lost User

        Now I don't normally get to pedantic about English, grammar etc but this one[^] particularly gets on my tits. Both the wrong usage of it and the fact it is now going in the Dictionary because people can't use it properly. What do others think of this? To give an example 'This literally made my blood boil" and "I was literally climbing the ceiling". I mean if literally means not literally then how can we emphasise that "We literally shat ourselves" for example. I'm off home as this has wound me up.

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        Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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        Grammar and vocabularies are snapshots in time. The human language does not evolve from committee. If it did, we would all still be using those silly British spellings for words.

        Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost "All users always want Excel" --Ennis Lynch

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        • L Lost User

          Now I don't normally get to pedantic about English, grammar etc but this one[^] particularly gets on my tits. Both the wrong usage of it and the fact it is now going in the Dictionary because people can't use it properly. What do others think of this? To give an example 'This literally made my blood boil" and "I was literally climbing the ceiling". I mean if literally means not literally then how can we emphasise that "We literally shat ourselves" for example. I'm off home as this has wound me up.

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          Lost User
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          For your own sanity I'd recommend that you'd consider the precedence of this misuse of English. I've seen the words change meaning within the context of the same sentence.

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            Now I don't normally get to pedantic about English, grammar etc but this one[^] particularly gets on my tits. Both the wrong usage of it and the fact it is now going in the Dictionary because people can't use it properly. What do others think of this? To give an example 'This literally made my blood boil" and "I was literally climbing the ceiling". I mean if literally means not literally then how can we emphasise that "We literally shat ourselves" for example. I'm off home as this has wound me up.

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            Silvabolt
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            Well..., the dictionary is wrong, people are wrong, google is wrong, internet is wrong. I ONLY use "literally" for the literal sense and so should everyone else. That's the thing with slang and casual conversation. It's what sticks with us the most, and sometimes the wrong thing sticks. I used to say... "don't got no money for this..." which sounds like I have no money for this, but since it's double negative, I'm actually saying I DO have money.

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            • L Lost User

              Now I don't normally get to pedantic about English, grammar etc but this one[^] particularly gets on my tits. Both the wrong usage of it and the fact it is now going in the Dictionary because people can't use it properly. What do others think of this? To give an example 'This literally made my blood boil" and "I was literally climbing the ceiling". I mean if literally means not literally then how can we emphasise that "We literally shat ourselves" for example. I'm off home as this has wound me up.

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              Lost User
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              Seems the usage has evolved from proper usage when exaggerating into improper usage when exaggerating. Proper usage (IMO) when exaggerating is to include some form of the word "think". For example (using your examples), 'This literally made my blood boil" came from "I literally thought it was going to make my blood boil" and "I was literally climbing the ceiling" came from "I literally thought I would climb the ceiling". These are acceptable because the literal is on the thought. Sure you may have literally "thought" it. Now did you really think that? Doubt it. Seems like you are exaggerating your perception at the time. Then we account for the massive amounts of stupid people in the world and they just drop key parts to the phrase. Sometimes I literally think I am the only one that sees these patterns in the world. (Oh no... did I just start a new one?)

              Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                Now I don't normally get to pedantic about English, grammar etc but this one[^] particularly gets on my tits. Both the wrong usage of it and the fact it is now going in the Dictionary because people can't use it properly. What do others think of this? To give an example 'This literally made my blood boil" and "I was literally climbing the ceiling". I mean if literally means not literally then how can we emphasise that "We literally shat ourselves" for example. I'm off home as this has wound me up.

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                Klaus Werner Konrad
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                Has anyone of you, my dear before-posters, bothered to actually read the article ? It isn't that the meaning or usage has changes in the last few years:

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                quickly: 1) there is no such thing as "the wrong definition". Well, I mean, there is, obviously. If the dictionary included the definition "pomegranate" or "a sort of reddish-purple", then it would be wrong. But the dictionary can't be wrong if it is reporting a common usage, which it is, because that is the dictionary's job. And 2) this isn't some modern thing that's fallen into the language in the last shower, like "lulz" or "yolo". As I mentioned in the last piece I wrote about it, "literally" has been literally used non-literally for literally more than two centuries:

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                  Now I don't normally get to pedantic about English, grammar etc but this one[^] particularly gets on my tits. Both the wrong usage of it and the fact it is now going in the Dictionary because people can't use it properly. What do others think of this? To give an example 'This literally made my blood boil" and "I was literally climbing the ceiling". I mean if literally means not literally then how can we emphasise that "We literally shat ourselves" for example. I'm off home as this has wound me up.

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                  RedDk
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                  PB 369,783 wrote:

                  if literally means not literally then how can we emphasise that "We literally shat ourselves"

                  'Searches me ...

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                  • L Lost User

                    Now I don't normally get to pedantic about English, grammar etc but this one[^] particularly gets on my tits. Both the wrong usage of it and the fact it is now going in the Dictionary because people can't use it properly. What do others think of this? To give an example 'This literally made my blood boil" and "I was literally climbing the ceiling". I mean if literally means not literally then how can we emphasise that "We literally shat ourselves" for example. I'm off home as this has wound me up.

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                    GuyThiebaut
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                    I always turn to David Mitchell's solution[^] for inspiration at times like this.

                    “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

                    ― Christopher Hitchens

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                    • L Lost User

                      Now I don't normally get to pedantic about English, grammar etc but this one[^] particularly gets on my tits. Both the wrong usage of it and the fact it is now going in the Dictionary because people can't use it properly. What do others think of this? To give an example 'This literally made my blood boil" and "I was literally climbing the ceiling". I mean if literally means not literally then how can we emphasise that "We literally shat ourselves" for example. I'm off home as this has wound me up.

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                      jschell
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                      PB 369,783 wrote:

                      What do others think of this?

                      Attempting to make a living language static is doomed to failure. It is unrealistic and ignores the nature of a changing environment that requires new words and new usages.

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                      • R Roger Wright

                        I used to get excited about such blatant corruption, but now that the number of people too lazy or ignorant to use their own native language correctly far exceeds the number of us who care, it hardly seems worth the effort. Let them drown in their stupidity... :|

                        Will Rogers never met me.

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                        jschell
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                        Roger Wright wrote:

                        , but now that the number of people too lazy or ignorant to use their own native language correctly far exceeds the number of us who care

                        So exactly when was the reverse true? What year would that have been?

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                          Has anyone of you, my dear before-posters, bothered to actually read the article ? It isn't that the meaning or usage has changes in the last few years:

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                          quickly: 1) there is no such thing as "the wrong definition". Well, I mean, there is, obviously. If the dictionary included the definition "pomegranate" or "a sort of reddish-purple", then it would be wrong. But the dictionary can't be wrong if it is reporting a common usage, which it is, because that is the dictionary's job. And 2) this isn't some modern thing that's fallen into the language in the last shower, like "lulz" or "yolo". As I mentioned in the last piece I wrote about it, "literally" has been literally used non-literally for literally more than two centuries:

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                          RedDk
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                          Klaus-Werner Konrad wrote:

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                          You're making that up! ;P

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                          • R Roger Wright

                            I used to get excited about such blatant corruption, but now that the number of people too lazy or ignorant to use their own native language correctly far exceeds the number of us who care, it hardly seems worth the effort. Let them drown in their stupidity... :|

                            Will Rogers never met me.

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                            Sentenryu
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                            Roger Wright wrote:

                            it hardly seems worth the effort.

                            So you're too lazy to care?

                            I'm brazilian and english (well, human languages in general) aren't my best skill, so, sorry by my english. (if you want we can speak in C# or VB.Net =p) "Given the chance I'd rather work smart than work hard." - PHS241 "'Sophisticated platform' typically means 'I have no idea how it works.'"

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                              Yea, that one is annoying. But how about "virtually". When I see this in advertisements, I always convert to "not". For example: "Makes your glasses virtually spot free" = "Makes your glasses *not* spot free" "Virtually unstoppable" = "Not unstoppable" "Virtually the best you can buy" = "Not the best you can buy" etc. :D

                              Tom Clement articles[^]

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                              Sentenryu
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                              Tom Clement wrote:

                              "Virtually unstoppable" = "Not unstoppable"

                              That only means it can be overridden to be stoppable.

                              I'm brazilian and english (well, human languages in general) aren't my best skill, so, sorry by my english. (if you want we can speak in C# or VB.Net =p) "Given the chance I'd rather work smart than work hard." - PHS241 "'Sophisticated platform' typically means 'I have no idea how it works.'"

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                              • L Lost User

                                Now I don't normally get to pedantic about English, grammar etc but this one[^] particularly gets on my tits. Both the wrong usage of it and the fact it is now going in the Dictionary because people can't use it properly. What do others think of this? To give an example 'This literally made my blood boil" and "I was literally climbing the ceiling". I mean if literally means not literally then how can we emphasise that "We literally shat ourselves" for example. I'm off home as this has wound me up.

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                                GuyThiebaut
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                                As an avid reader of English literature there are two particular phrases that you will find in Victorian novels that meant something completely different in their day: To make love to - to talk to a woman in a kindly manner and to flirt with said woman. To know - what we would nowadays refer to as making love. So language is very dynamic and even Shakespeare invented words for his works.

                                “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

                                ― Christopher Hitchens

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                                  As an avid reader of English literature there are two particular phrases that you will find in Victorian novels that meant something completely different in their day: To make love to - to talk to a woman in a kindly manner and to flirt with said woman. To know - what we would nowadays refer to as making love. So language is very dynamic and even Shakespeare invented words for his works.

                                  “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

                                  ― Christopher Hitchens

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                                  GuyThiebaut wrote:

                                  To make love to - to talk to a woman in a kindly manner and to flirt with said woman.
                                  To know - what we would nowadays refer to as making love.
                                   
                                  So language is very dynamic and even Shakespeare invented words for his works.

                                  I find this both estragrigating and perpeptiquious.

                                  Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                                    GuyThiebaut wrote:

                                    To make love to - to talk to a woman in a kindly manner and to flirt with said woman.
                                    To know - what we would nowadays refer to as making love.
                                     
                                    So language is very dynamic and even Shakespeare invented words for his works.

                                    I find this both estragrigating and perpeptiquious.

                                    Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                                    GuyThiebaut
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                                    I am now quite discombobulated by your vernacular vulgarisation of mother tongue.

                                    “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

                                    ― Christopher Hitchens

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                                      Now I don't normally get to pedantic about English, grammar etc but this one[^] particularly gets on my tits. Both the wrong usage of it and the fact it is now going in the Dictionary because people can't use it properly. What do others think of this? To give an example 'This literally made my blood boil" and "I was literally climbing the ceiling". I mean if literally means not literally then how can we emphasise that "We literally shat ourselves" for example. I'm off home as this has wound me up.

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                                      TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                                      Really? So you've never used "Really?" in the sense to question the reality or veracity of something? "Literally?" is used in such a sense. You've got your knickers in a bunch over nothing.

                                      If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                                      You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                                      Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                                        Really? So you've never used "Really?" in the sense to question the reality or veracity of something? "Literally?" is used in such a sense. You've got your knickers in a bunch over nothing.

                                        If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                                        You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                                        Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                                        Tom Clement
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                                        You make an excellent point Ahmed. But I think the complaint is that "literally" has had a rather special meaning of "not metaphorically". So if you say "I literally fell flat on my face", you're pointing out that not only did you "fall flat on your face" in the idiom (failed), but, ironically enough, you also literally fell flat on your face (ouch). (Oops, I used the word 'literally' in defining it.... infinite loop alert.) The complaints here are not that language doesn't evolve. As you point out, the same decay happened with 'really'. I'd complain as well about "awesome". Personally, I've avoided using the word since it became the valley girl way of saying one is excited by something. I've started saying "awe inspiring" to emphasize the truly awesome nature of what I'm referring to :). So when one meaning started being diluted from its original intent by exaggeration and overuse, I'd like to find another that I can use in its place. Any suggestions for replacing "literally"?

                                        Tom Clement articles[^]

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                                          You make an excellent point Ahmed. But I think the complaint is that "literally" has had a rather special meaning of "not metaphorically". So if you say "I literally fell flat on my face", you're pointing out that not only did you "fall flat on your face" in the idiom (failed), but, ironically enough, you also literally fell flat on your face (ouch). (Oops, I used the word 'literally' in defining it.... infinite loop alert.) The complaints here are not that language doesn't evolve. As you point out, the same decay happened with 'really'. I'd complain as well about "awesome". Personally, I've avoided using the word since it became the valley girl way of saying one is excited by something. I've started saying "awe inspiring" to emphasize the truly awesome nature of what I'm referring to :). So when one meaning started being diluted from its original intent by exaggeration and overuse, I'd like to find another that I can use in its place. Any suggestions for replacing "literally"?

                                          Tom Clement articles[^]

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                                          TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                                          Seriously? (lol :-D ) Any of these[^] should do. Precisely, indisputably, veritably, strictly and faithfully seem especially appropriate as synonyms to literally. As for "awesome" usage, the way I've heard it used means "extremely impressive", (as in Darth Vader to Luke Skywalker) which seems to me to be correct usage. But, then, what do I know? ;P

                                          If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                                          You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                                          Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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