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JoeSox

brianwelsch wrote: The rich are paying their share of taxes. The point is they are bitching for tax breaks for their belief in the "Trickle Down" Reagan Economics. Instead of trying to plan tax breaks why aren't they trying to stop American troops from getting killed?:confused: Later,
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Chris Losinger

we're going to be paying for this war (and the one in the Phillipines, and the one we haven't finished in Afghanistan) for a long time. luckily, GWB says it's OK to run up deficits. -c

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brianwelsch

First, who isn't calling for less taxes? Except for maybe the people who are benefitting from social services. Who says that there aren't any rich people fighting against the war? Percentage-wise you won't see a big number of them, simply because there isn't a large number of rich people. BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

Jason Henderson

Zogby has him at 57%. Its understandable with all the war talk and the economy (which isn't really that bad contrary to media reports). If the war is quick and decisive, he'll jump back up to 70 or 80. Given time, the economy will improve no matter what GW does.

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Chris Losinger

Jason Henderson wrote: If the war is quick and decisive, he'll jump back up to 70 or 80. oooh let me play! and if we suffer an attack on US soil in retaliation for our invasion of Iraq, his numbers will fall off the charts. -c

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Jason Henderson

JoeSox wrote: The point is they are bitching for tax breaks for their belief in the "Trickle Down" Reagan Economics. I'm b*tching for tax breaks and I'm not rich. If I could, I would refuse to pay taxes to fund half the crap they pay for in Washington. JoeSox wrote: why aren't they trying to stop American troops from getting killed Those troops have volunteered to possibly get killed for their countrymen. Unfortunately, the American people are very fickle and will turn on their leaders if they believe too many troops are dying. It runs contrary to what these troops are fighting for, IMHO.

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Jason Henderson

THey may, but sometimes you have to make a stand against tyranny.

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JoeSox

I am just trying to explain the quote as I understand it. I don't think he means people he means rich people he means the majority of republicans and Bush are proposing more tax breaks. Later,
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Chris Losinger

drifting off topic... but... Jason Henderson wrote: sometimes you have to make a stand against tyranny and sometimes, it's perfectly acceptable to negotiate with it - just depends on how weak that particular tyrant is. leaving the topic entirely.... i really can't think of a better way to encourage Iran and NK to develop nukes faster than to show them what we do to countries we don't like who don't have nukes. brave new world order. -c

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JoeSox

Jason Henderson wrote: Those troops have volunteered to possibly get killed for their countrymen. They are still US citizens with the same freedoms as you and I. If they are sent in to kill your children it doesn't mean it is right. Later,
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Jason Henderson

Chris Losinger wrote: and sometimes, it's perfectly acceptable to negotiate with it - just depends on how weak that particular tyrant is. I think that's what we see happening with NK. Chris Losinger wrote: i really can't think of a better way to encourage Iran and NK to develop nukes faster than to show them what we do to countries we don't like who don't have nukes. True, but we'll see what happens to them after Iraq is taken care of. I think the populace of Iran is more receptive to western ideas than their government would lead us to believe. We may see a CIA backed rebellion? NK, is in a world of hurt between its sworn enemies of SK, Japan, and the US, and its big brother China who is wary of their nukes as well. Negotiation seems key here.

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Jason Henderson

See, that's one of the main problems I have with what you're saying. We aren't sending troops in to kill children. Bad things do happen in war, but I think our troops will do everything they can to keep collateral damage at a minimum. (Unlike what Saddam would do.)

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JoeSox

Jason Henderson wrote: See, that's one of the main problems I have with what you're saying. yeah me too, that wasn't the best analogy. I better quit while I am at work and hard to think of points that make sense and do my job at the same time. I mean I was in the Navy and would fight/do my job no matter if I believed in the fight or not, but it is up to the US citizen (which are supposed to run the government) to lead justified battles. anyway I better start working, you bring up some good points, talk to you later. Later,
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KaRl

You could also add Colombia. BTW, why were there CIA guys in Colombia :confused:?

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Chris Losinger

The War on (some) Drugs. -c

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KaRl

Ah, ok, thanks. Consequently, another question runs in my head: how Afghanistan did become again one of the major producers of poppy crop after the removal of the Taliban regim (from 185 tonnes before 9/11 to 3400 tonnes produced last year, according to this australian newspaper) ?

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brianwelsch

They need to keep some of their economy in place. :rolleyes: BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

KaRl

It seems there's also a business opportunity with WMD. We should perhaps warn them :rolleyes:

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Jason Henderson

Paul Watson wrote: thanks. So my photographs are better than my war talk huh? You may be coming around.

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Michael A Barnhart

Michael P Butler wrote: The guy is responsible for one of the worst regimes in the world at the moment. Peope live in fear under him, they have no freedom to express their own views. People just disappear, are tortured and murdered. Michael, I agree with your assessment of Saddam but also have to agree with Paul on the US being the policmen when not asked to do so. As for the people just disappearing, I have an inlaw who's father just disappeared under Stalin. So I do see a personal side here. Personally I think what the US did to keep the USSR in check was justified but also see those actions as a basis (beginning point) for most of the problems the US has in the middle east. So it is a real catch-22 situation for me. What are we duplicating, if we go it alone? So the best I see is get the UN united behind doing something and hope for no war but be ready if we have to. Now with France and Russia saying no way for now. What pressure does he have? "I will find a new sig someday."