Fracking protestors...continued.
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(gas/petrol) Fracking is an insult to human intelligence. It is an insult that governments allow that to happen to local communities. It destroys water sources (Texas), it destroy good clean arable land (at least in Québec and in England) by sucking good water and replacing it with water fill with chemicals to "help" get the gas/petrol out.
I'd rather be phishing!
wow and how come all i have read is in direct contradiction of these claims? wind warms now there is insult to human intelligence, yes lets rely on a intermittant resource that is at its lowesr when power is most needed and cannot manage peaks and troughs of demand or even supply
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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(gas/petrol) Fracking is an insult to human intelligence. It is an insult that governments allow that to happen to local communities. It destroys water sources (Texas), it destroy good clean arable land (at least in Québec and in England) by sucking good water and replacing it with water fill with chemicals to "help" get the gas/petrol out.
I'd rather be phishing!
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wow and how come all i have read is in direct contradiction of these claims? wind warms now there is insult to human intelligence, yes lets rely on a intermittant resource that is at its lowesr when power is most needed and cannot manage peaks and troughs of demand or even supply
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote:
wow and how come all i have read is in direct contradiction of these claims?
It's called a "bias". Perhaps you should try and read stuff out of your comfort-zone.
Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote:
wind warms now there is insult to human intelligence
The Dutch have been using wind-power before we had electricity, and challenged the English navy. Human intelligence is a contradiction in terms.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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I have tried to stick with reasonably reliable sources. Long-Term Costs Of Fracking Are Staggering[^] - ThinkProgress Environmental impact of hydraulic fracturing[^] - Wikipedia North Dakota’s Oil Boom Brings Damage Along With Prosperity[^] - Pro Publica EPA official links fracking and drinking water issues in Dimock, Pa.[^] - Washington Post Study raises new concern about earthquakes and fracking fluids[^] - Reuters Enhanced Remote Earthquake Triggering at Fluid-Injection Sites in the Midwestern United States[^] - The paper in Science mentioned by the Reuters article above. Potential Health and Environmental Effects of Hydrofracking in the Williston Basin, Montana[^] - A case study prepared by students in the Department of Earth Sciences, Montana State University I can continue, but I'm sure you can find your way from here.
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Whatever source I might cite will be pushed aside as being biased.
I'd rather be phishing!
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For what? This is not an academical exercise, and there's a lobby on both sides with sites that support their "claims".
All right that does it. The secrets out. We may as well shut down the internet now. No point in discussing anything. :)
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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The sleepy little hollow called Balcombe in West Sussex has made it to the international media for all the wrong reasons. It's a pretty village and relatively posh enough that etiquette dictates you have to fart in a handkerchief. Last Sunday, Princess and I drove through it on our way to Haywards Heath. Fortunately, we turn off before the road that leads to the site where the protestors have taken up residence. A large rent-a-mob arrived over the weekend and one protestor hissed on TV that the police had caused some disturbance in the meditation tent...oooh that must have been really horrible. :) The traffic last Sunday was really disrupted. The fuzz were redirecting it as best as they could. Some poor bloke was yelling at them because he couldn't get his horsebox through, cyclists were trying to disrupt things and the bobbies were shooing them away. The local (only) pub, The Half Moon was teeming with people, dogs, and some, shall we say, odd-looking reprobates from out of town. The local communists were strutting around with megaphones and it was a pain in the ass when all we were trying to do was get through for a well-earned coffee. The MP for Brighton, Caroline Lucas, was arrested in a carefully coordinated and manipulated stunt. Some of the poor residents of Balcombe must have had enough of it all now. It's the only game in town if the regional Auntie news is anything to go by. I went for a walk at lunchtime and passed through a hotel car park and I counted eight police vans from different police forces, consistent with the news that bobbies from different forces have been called in. The hotel is maybe, ten miles from the protest site and they're staying at the hotel to relieve the daytime police presence when they knock off in the evening. No wonder this thing has cost over £750,000 in police time. I'll be glad when things return to normal.
If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.
Off Topic, but I am the only one who see's thinks Battle Star Galactica...... ;)
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Whatever source I might cite will be pushed aside as being biased.
I'd rather be phishing!
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For what? This is not an academical exercise, and there's a lobby on both sides with sites that support their "claims".
All right that does it. The secrets out. We may as well shut down the internet now. No point in discussing anything. :)
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Oh, I know. I am in complete agreement with you. Do people do that when having a conversation with company in their home? As soon as they disagree with something the other person says do they demand a reference? :)
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote:
wow and how come all i have read is in direct contradiction of these claims?
It's called a "bias". Perhaps you should try and read stuff out of your comfort-zone.
Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote:
wind warms now there is insult to human intelligence
The Dutch have been using wind-power before we had electricity, and challenged the English navy. Human intelligence is a contradiction in terms.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
It's called a "bias". Perhaps you should try and read stuff out of your comfort-zone.
Of course that runs both ways.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
e Dutch have been using wind-power before we had electricity, and challenged the English navy.
Which very strongly indicates that it isn't going to replacing anything. Not now. Not in the future. If that wasn't the case then market factors even for marginal benefits would have increased the usage over the time period that wind has been in use. As it is it appears strongly that it will remain a niche solution.
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Oh, I know. I am in complete agreement with you. Do people do that when having a conversation with company in their home? As soon as they disagree with something the other person says do they demand a reference? :)
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
ryanb31 wrote:
As soon as they disagree with something the other person says do they demand a reference?
Depends on what they say. If someone says "I like Fords because I haven't had any problems" then that is a discussion. If however they say "Fords are the best car because their operating costs are 90% less than all other cars" then yes I am going to ask for a source. Just curious, for the later your response in this hypothetical discussion at home would be what exactly?
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Oh, I know. I am in complete agreement with you. Do people do that when having a conversation with company in their home? As soon as they disagree with something the other person says do they demand a reference? :)
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Isn't that what kids mean when they argue about something and they say "Oh yeah? Prove it!". :)
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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ryanb31 wrote:
As soon as they disagree with something the other person says do they demand a reference?
Depends on what they say. If someone says "I like Fords because I haven't had any problems" then that is a discussion. If however they say "Fords are the best car because their operating costs are 90% less than all other cars" then yes I am going to ask for a source. Just curious, for the later your response in this hypothetical discussion at home would be what exactly?
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Isn't that what kids mean when they argue about something and they say "Oh yeah? Prove it!". :)
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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I have tried to stick with reasonably reliable sources. Long-Term Costs Of Fracking Are Staggering[^] - ThinkProgress Environmental impact of hydraulic fracturing[^] - Wikipedia North Dakota’s Oil Boom Brings Damage Along With Prosperity[^] - Pro Publica EPA official links fracking and drinking water issues in Dimock, Pa.[^] - Washington Post Study raises new concern about earthquakes and fracking fluids[^] - Reuters Enhanced Remote Earthquake Triggering at Fluid-Injection Sites in the Midwestern United States[^] - The paper in Science mentioned by the Reuters article above. Potential Health and Environmental Effects of Hydrofracking in the Williston Basin, Montana[^] - A case study prepared by students in the Department of Earth Sciences, Montana State University I can continue, but I'm sure you can find your way from here.
Gregory.Gadow wrote:
Long-Term Costs Of Fracking Are Staggering[^] - ThinkProgress
Author "...She is president and founder of Citizens League for Environmental Action Now (CLEAN) www.cleanhouston.org" Nothing at that site suggests it is not biased.
Gregory.Gadow wrote:
North Dakota’s Oil Boom Brings Damage Along With Prosperity[^] - Pro Publica
Pro Publica says about itself "Our work focuses exclusively on truly important stories, stories with “moral force.” We do this by producing journalism that shines a light on exploitation of the weak by the strong and on the failures of those with power to vindicate the trust placed in them."
Gregory.Gadow wrote:
Study raises new concern about earthquakes and fracking fluids[^] - Reuters
Actually specifically micro quakes and additionally that there are other activities besides just fracking that can lead to those conditions.
Gregory.Gadow wrote:
Potential Health and Environmental Effects of Hydrofracking in the Williston Basin, Montana[^] - A case study prepared by students in the Department of Earth Sciences, Montana State University
For a class whose point is specifically to find something wrong in terms of health in terms of something humans are doing with nature. One might e
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
It's called a "bias". Perhaps you should try and read stuff out of your comfort-zone.
Of course that runs both ways.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
e Dutch have been using wind-power before we had electricity, and challenged the English navy.
Which very strongly indicates that it isn't going to replacing anything. Not now. Not in the future. If that wasn't the case then market factors even for marginal benefits would have increased the usage over the time period that wind has been in use. As it is it appears strongly that it will remain a niche solution.
jschell wrote:
Of course that runs both ways.
The only argument that'd support the frackin' case would be an economic one.
jschell wrote:
Which very strongly indicates that it isn't going to replacing anything. Not now. Not in the future.
I didn't claim it'd replace anything. You made me curious though, how does a historical fact indicate the future? :)
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote:
wow and how come all i have read is in direct contradiction of these claims?
It's called a "bias". Perhaps you should try and read stuff out of your comfort-zone.
Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote:
wind warms now there is insult to human intelligence
The Dutch have been using wind-power before we had electricity, and challenged the English navy. Human intelligence is a contradiction in terms.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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It's called a "bias". Perhaps you should try and read stuff out of your comfort-zone.
Sorry but exactly what reports have actually proved that it caauses ANY of the effects you claim? despite many atte,pts in the US where it is in large scale use the opposition have not proving concret links, and all the polution that has been lnked to fracking has been surface leakage from storage areas. so the tree hugging knee jerk reaction would lok to be the usual reaction of these people to anything new there is a Fracking site in Kent that has been in opperation for years without ANY issues, in fact not only in opperation but it is a RSPB bird sanctuary wind power is fine for low usage and for useage that is not critial for 24 hour service but would you trust your life to a wind powered hospital? 1 24 hour calm spell and you lose all your crtitcally ill how nice
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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jschell wrote:
Of course that runs both ways.
The only argument that'd support the frackin' case would be an economic one.
jschell wrote:
Which very strongly indicates that it isn't going to replacing anything. Not now. Not in the future.
I didn't claim it'd replace anything. You made me curious though, how does a historical fact indicate the future? :)
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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The only argument that'd support the frackin' case would be an economic one.
something that could NEVER be said about wind farms, oh and covering the country in huge concrete windmills is enviromentally friendly? face it all power generation at the levels currently required (let alone for the future) is enviromentally unfriendly unless you are blessed with geo-thermal like Iceland
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.