What will you do when .... ?
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Mycroft Holmes wrote:
Don't get me started on corporate policies, I am starting a whole new set of interview questions.
Does your company have a one size (minimalist) fits all hardware policy? No. Devs get special Dev machines
What is the standard configuration of your dev machines? i7, 16 GB RAM, 256 GB SSD, 500GB HDD - Either as a Desktop or Laptop
How many monitors do you allow your devs? As many as neccessary, two 23'-sized monitors at least - Or one 27' sized HD Monitor
Do your devs have local admin rights? Yes
Do you block EVERY blog/forum site on the interweb? No
Do you have an open plan (bench) style office layout? Mixed - Splitted up into small open plan areas:bob:
You, along with Jarek can sod off, mutter mutter grumble grumble
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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Your company don't want to invest in new development tools ? It took me one year of nagging to upgrade my Windows XP with "massive" 2GB RAM machine to decent Windows 7 64bit with i7 processor. My old machine used to choke when antivirus update runs. you literally cannot navigate anywhere for at least 5 to 10 minutes every few hours. Now I am trying to get VS2012 . I still have to work with VS2008 which feels so ancient... I recommended them to buy some decent third party tools like Telerik or DevExpress but so far it goes deaf ear. I am at the point where I feel like I need to move on to some better workplace :sad:
Zen and the art of software maintenance : rm -rf * Math is like love : a simple idea but it can get complicated.
Nothing - They'll get what they deserve when the quality of the product suffers as a result... :rolleyes:
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At least you can try your applications on what the users out there have. I know plenty of example where "it worked on the over-boosted" dev machine, but not at the customer.
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Rage wrote:
At least you can try your applications on what the users out there have. I know plenty of example where "it worked on the over-boosted" dev machine, but not at the customer.
I'd rather go for a split-up concept: Development happens on a reaqsonable dev machine (most compilers and IDEs need more power than the program developed) and testing happens on a test client which has the same power as an average client machine.
:bob:
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Rage wrote:
At least you can try your applications on what the users out there have. I know plenty of example where "it worked on the over-boosted" dev machine, but not at the customer.
I'd rather go for a split-up concept: Development happens on a reaqsonable dev machine (most compilers and IDEs need more power than the program developed) and testing happens on a test client which has the same power as an average client machine.
:bob:
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This needn't say. And I guess most of the developers are doing it like this !
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Rage wrote:
most of the developers are doing it like this !
I doubt that, I've seen far too many crapware developed here at my company.
:bob:
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Your company don't want to invest in new development tools ? It took me one year of nagging to upgrade my Windows XP with "massive" 2GB RAM machine to decent Windows 7 64bit with i7 processor. My old machine used to choke when antivirus update runs. you literally cannot navigate anywhere for at least 5 to 10 minutes every few hours. Now I am trying to get VS2012 . I still have to work with VS2008 which feels so ancient... I recommended them to buy some decent third party tools like Telerik or DevExpress but so far it goes deaf ear. I am at the point where I feel like I need to move on to some better workplace :sad:
Zen and the art of software maintenance : rm -rf * Math is like love : a simple idea but it can get complicated.
I have Core-i7 since last 3.1 years with Win 7 64bit + Win8-64bit dual boot with 4GB Ram and works like charm At office I have Core-i5 Win7-64bit 4GB Ram, but is Sucks big time and makes my cry!
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Your company don't want to invest in new development tools ? It took me one year of nagging to upgrade my Windows XP with "massive" 2GB RAM machine to decent Windows 7 64bit with i7 processor. My old machine used to choke when antivirus update runs. you literally cannot navigate anywhere for at least 5 to 10 minutes every few hours. Now I am trying to get VS2012 . I still have to work with VS2008 which feels so ancient... I recommended them to buy some decent third party tools like Telerik or DevExpress but so far it goes deaf ear. I am at the point where I feel like I need to move on to some better workplace :sad:
Zen and the art of software maintenance : rm -rf * Math is like love : a simple idea but it can get complicated.
Keep a full record, for an entire week, of the time you spend waiting for the machine to respond/perform tasks that should take micro-seconds, and present it to your manager. I'm sure he'll be able to do the arithmetic.
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i7, i7 fuck me I'm happy to have an i3, 64bit machine put a 32bit OS on it and then load on 6gb ram :doh: Don't get me started on corporate policies, I am starting a whole new set of interview questions. Does your company have a one size (minimalist) fits all hardware policy? What is the standard configuration of your dev machines? How many monitors do you allow your devs? Do your devs have local admin rights? Do you block EVERY blog/forum site on the interweb? Do you have an open plan (bench) style office layout? And I can think of about a dozen more things I hate about working for large corporates.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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i7, i7 fuck me I'm happy to have an i3, 64bit machine put a 32bit OS on it and then load on 6gb ram :doh: Don't get me started on corporate policies, I am starting a whole new set of interview questions. Does your company have a one size (minimalist) fits all hardware policy? What is the standard configuration of your dev machines? How many monitors do you allow your devs? Do your devs have local admin rights? Do you block EVERY blog/forum site on the interweb? Do you have an open plan (bench) style office layout? And I can think of about a dozen more things I hate about working for large corporates.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
I completely agree there, I just finished working for one of the big 5 and they plonked me in a "hot desk" surrounded by bean counters who were on the phone constantly? I asked for somewhere quieter but was told "only partners get offices" , I said this software makes them money - fell on deaf ears - I left.
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Your company don't want to invest in new development tools ? It took me one year of nagging to upgrade my Windows XP with "massive" 2GB RAM machine to decent Windows 7 64bit with i7 processor. My old machine used to choke when antivirus update runs. you literally cannot navigate anywhere for at least 5 to 10 minutes every few hours. Now I am trying to get VS2012 . I still have to work with VS2008 which feels so ancient... I recommended them to buy some decent third party tools like Telerik or DevExpress but so far it goes deaf ear. I am at the point where I feel like I need to move on to some better workplace :sad:
Zen and the art of software maintenance : rm -rf * Math is like love : a simple idea but it can get complicated.
I would leave the company. I'm a geek, so I feel valued by a company as much as my hardware is. :p
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Your company don't want to invest in new development tools ? It took me one year of nagging to upgrade my Windows XP with "massive" 2GB RAM machine to decent Windows 7 64bit with i7 processor. My old machine used to choke when antivirus update runs. you literally cannot navigate anywhere for at least 5 to 10 minutes every few hours. Now I am trying to get VS2012 . I still have to work with VS2008 which feels so ancient... I recommended them to buy some decent third party tools like Telerik or DevExpress but so far it goes deaf ear. I am at the point where I feel like I need to move on to some better workplace :sad:
Zen and the art of software maintenance : rm -rf * Math is like love : a simple idea but it can get complicated.
I've spent about ten times as much of my working hours adapting to new development tools as I should have. Especially when I was employed at a large research institute: Every new project replaced half of the tools in the toolbox, and we worked slowly and inefficiently for half of the project time, because we hadn¨t learned to use the tools properly yet. That is the major reason why I resist whenever someone suggests that we should replace this tool with that tool, this language with that language, this document format with that format,... Obviously, the cost of change is much smaller if you just upgrade to the next version (or the next after that, or after that again), but is still is far from "free". Like, last time we upgraded our build server system to a newer version, it took two full days to migrate all the old, archived builds to the format of the new version. For that reason, we have not yet adopted the next major version, and before we adopt the recently released new version afte that, we will do a thorough cleanup in our build archives to try to reduce the offline time for the build servers to less than 24 hours. If you have a real need for the functionality in the new version (whether hardware or software), a good boss ought to listen to you. But lots of upgrades are primarily justified by the developers feeling inferior when using old versions, not a real need.
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i7, i7 fuck me I'm happy to have an i3, 64bit machine put a 32bit OS on it and then load on 6gb ram :doh: Don't get me started on corporate policies, I am starting a whole new set of interview questions. Does your company have a one size (minimalist) fits all hardware policy? What is the standard configuration of your dev machines? How many monitors do you allow your devs? Do your devs have local admin rights? Do you block EVERY blog/forum site on the interweb? Do you have an open plan (bench) style office layout? And I can think of about a dozen more things I hate about working for large corporates.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
Mycroft Holmes wrote:
Does your company have a one size (minimalist) fits all hardware policy?
Not quite. Standard dev laptops are a step up the quality scale (faster CPU, more ram, discrete GPU, but still no SSD :(( ), the fact that we're able to get out of cycle upgrades by whining about performance/diskspace/etc is more significant. Despite a nominal 4 year upgrade cycle (and knowing some non-devs who ended up waiting longer than that) I got my 4th laptop at the 7 year point. I occasionally see people lugging around AlienWare laptops instead of the standard Latitude's (previously XPSes); but at least when I started that option was mostly limited to the poor bastards who had to run Oracle locally. Far too high a price.
Mycroft Holmes wrote:
What is the standard configuration of your dev machines?
Not sure what the current spec is but my 18mo old system is i5-2520m (2.5ghz), 8GB, 160GB HDD, NVS 4200M (520M equivalent), w7-64.
Mycroft Holmes wrote:
How many monitors do you allow your devs?
It took a big of finagling (and people say my beige box NT4 relic is worthless) but I've got 3.
Mycroft Holmes wrote:
Do your devs have local admin rights?
yup
Mycroft Holmes wrote:
Do you block EVERY blog/forum site on the interweb?
Just mainstream blog providers (eg the ones that are
wereused for social networking. Worse is that if I were to waste an hour taking the social network training course they'd unblock farcebook/twitter on my system but not the blogs. :wtf: Supposedly if you email a request they'll unblock them in a day or two; I never bothered. Google cache is easier.Mycroft Holmes wrote:
Do you have an open plan (bench) style office layout?
Most labs are; but our cubes are 8x10 or 10x10 with walls at about 5'8" or 6'4".
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i7, i7 fuck me I'm happy to have an i3, 64bit machine put a 32bit OS on it and then load on 6gb ram :doh: Don't get me started on corporate policies, I am starting a whole new set of interview questions. Does your company have a one size (minimalist) fits all hardware policy? What is the standard configuration of your dev machines? How many monitors do you allow your devs? Do your devs have local admin rights? Do you block EVERY blog/forum site on the interweb? Do you have an open plan (bench) style office layout? And I can think of about a dozen more things I hate about working for large corporates.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
Mycroft Holmes wrote:
Does your company have a one size (minimalist) fits all hardware policy? Yes What is the standard configuration of your dev machines? Win XP, 2.66Ghz, 1GB ram, 100GB HD How many monitors do you allow your devs? One, 17" Do your devs have local admin rights? Yes Do you block EVERY blog/forum site on the interweb? No, only some Do you have an open plan (bench) style office layout? Yes, but jumbled
Also we develop in Visual C++ 6.00. Yes, you read that right.
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Your company don't want to invest in new development tools ? It took me one year of nagging to upgrade my Windows XP with "massive" 2GB RAM machine to decent Windows 7 64bit with i7 processor. My old machine used to choke when antivirus update runs. you literally cannot navigate anywhere for at least 5 to 10 minutes every few hours. Now I am trying to get VS2012 . I still have to work with VS2008 which feels so ancient... I recommended them to buy some decent third party tools like Telerik or DevExpress but so far it goes deaf ear. I am at the point where I feel like I need to move on to some better workplace :sad:
Zen and the art of software maintenance : rm -rf * Math is like love : a simple idea but it can get complicated.
I just go out and buy the tools myself. Sometimes I even submit the expense and dare them to justify not reimbursing me. After years and years of working for companies that made it seem that you needed CEO approval to buy a box of paperclips, while they gallivanted around the country on the company dime to attend one conference or another, I decided my development lifetime is too limited to submit to their whims. Since I am willing to pay for the tools out of my own pocket without a guarantee of reimbursement, I make the point that I am not a kid in a candy store buying anything that strikes my fancy. If I am willing to risk my own money, I must feel it is necessary. I've had to deal with bean counters who would seem to be telling me, that while that piece of software may save me weeks of development, they still see that they had to pay me for those weeks anyway and now they have to add the cost of the software to their expenses. Productivity does not seem show up on the bottom line. Companies don't seem to be interested in saving time, but if you can save them money, they listen. Several times I've saved the company money by having the tools to get something done so they didn't have to go out and buy a solution from someone else.
Psychosis at 10 Film at 11 Those who do not remember the past, are doomed to repeat it. Those who do not remember the past, cannot build upon it.
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Your company don't want to invest in new development tools ? It took me one year of nagging to upgrade my Windows XP with "massive" 2GB RAM machine to decent Windows 7 64bit with i7 processor. My old machine used to choke when antivirus update runs. you literally cannot navigate anywhere for at least 5 to 10 minutes every few hours. Now I am trying to get VS2012 . I still have to work with VS2008 which feels so ancient... I recommended them to buy some decent third party tools like Telerik or DevExpress but so far it goes deaf ear. I am at the point where I feel like I need to move on to some better workplace :sad:
Zen and the art of software maintenance : rm -rf * Math is like love : a simple idea but it can get complicated.
virang_21 wrote:
Your company don't want to invest in new development tools ?
I don't understand the question. I write programs intended to run on target machines. The tools that I need are dependent on those target machines. So are you claiming that everyone in the company is running on a super computer? And that everyone has migrated to .Net 4.5 except you?
virang_21 wrote:
some decent third party tools like Telerik or DevExpress but so far it goes deaf ear.
Because these tools would be a net positive investment for the company? So in terms of initial cost, plus service support, plus licensing versus your salary and your productivity the company would save how much money in a year? In five?
virang_21 wrote:
I am at the point where I feel like I need to move on to some better workplace :sad:
Perhaps. Or perhaps seek a better perspective on what is important in terms of work versus play. As one example would you be happy with VS2012 at a company where your paycheck bounced every single time and/or you had to 'hold' on to your paycheck until the funds 'cleared' at the bank before you could deposit it?
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I work for one... All our devs have i7 QuadCore/8GB/SSD/14"-17" (personal preference) laptops + external monitors / active MSDN subscriptions/local admin rights :) Blogs and forums get unlocked in 2-10 days on request (if it is work related). Should I consider myself lucky? :)
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I never understood locking sites down for devs. You should trust that you hire people that won't waste a bunch of time on non-work stuff. They're professionals. Treat them as such.
Well, it's not that easy... This is not IT company and internet access is monitored/quoted/locked for many reasons. Wasting time is one of least important. And trust me, devs (and other, non-IT profesionals) get deserved level of trust
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Your company don't want to invest in new development tools ? It took me one year of nagging to upgrade my Windows XP with "massive" 2GB RAM machine to decent Windows 7 64bit with i7 processor. My old machine used to choke when antivirus update runs. you literally cannot navigate anywhere for at least 5 to 10 minutes every few hours. Now I am trying to get VS2012 . I still have to work with VS2008 which feels so ancient... I recommended them to buy some decent third party tools like Telerik or DevExpress but so far it goes deaf ear. I am at the point where I feel like I need to move on to some better workplace :sad:
Zen and the art of software maintenance : rm -rf * Math is like love : a simple idea but it can get complicated.
software developers have an obligation to quit and move on. it's for the good of the industry and the "brotherhood" of software developers in general. by helping a "low baller" company stay in business like that, you are subsidizing the company at your expense and the expense of the "brotherhood". you are negatively affecting your own career by not keeping up with technology and you are helping to stagnate the economy. if the company can't afford to use reasonable and adequate technology for development - it's likely they have a bad and unsustainable business model anyway. find a better environment where you can develop your skills at a more rapid pace, and then jump ship.
David
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I never understood locking sites down for devs. You should trust that you hire people that won't waste a bunch of time on non-work stuff. They're professionals. Treat them as such.
Greg Bair wrote:
They're professionals
You have to be joking, bunch of whiney little girls!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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Mycroft Holmes wrote:
Does your company have a one size (minimalist) fits all hardware policy? Yes What is the standard configuration of your dev machines? Win XP, 2.66Ghz, 1GB ram, 100GB HD How many monitors do you allow your devs? One, 17" Do your devs have local admin rights? Yes Do you block EVERY blog/forum site on the interweb? No, only some Do you have an open plan (bench) style office layout? Yes, but jumbled
Also we develop in Visual C++ 6.00. Yes, you read that right.
Ok so you deserve to get paid more than I do!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
