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Ribbon Bars just becuase you can does not mean you should

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    Ok lets agree on one thing , ribbon bars at first glance look pretty cool , but as many switched from excel 2003 to 2007 I bet the novelty ran out pretty quickly. For all the software planners your there, heres a very basic tip when it comes to using ribbon bars 1. When people are used to how your toolbars are organized its generally a bad idea to switch to a smaller tabbed version where people have to guess. 2. With screens gettign wider and not longer, putting this massive chunk pf space at the top of your app is not so good. big workspace makes for easier use. My apologies if this rant is a duplicate of some previous one. . . but I just dived into Office 2010 with some course-ware I am going though

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      Ok lets agree on one thing , ribbon bars at first glance look pretty cool , but as many switched from excel 2003 to 2007 I bet the novelty ran out pretty quickly. For all the software planners your there, heres a very basic tip when it comes to using ribbon bars 1. When people are used to how your toolbars are organized its generally a bad idea to switch to a smaller tabbed version where people have to guess. 2. With screens gettign wider and not longer, putting this massive chunk pf space at the top of your app is not so good. big workspace makes for easier use. My apologies if this rant is a duplicate of some previous one. . . but I just dived into Office 2010 with some course-ware I am going though

      Chona1171 Web Developer (C#), Silverlight

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      Bernhard Hiller
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      Chona1171 wrote:

      With screens gettign wider and not longer

      Buy a monitor which supports not only landscape, but also portrait format. :)

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        Chona1171 wrote:

        With screens gettign wider and not longer

        Buy a monitor which supports not only landscape, but also portrait format. :)

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        Yes totally that will work too :-D tell your customers they bought the wrong monitor

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          Ok lets agree on one thing , ribbon bars at first glance look pretty cool , but as many switched from excel 2003 to 2007 I bet the novelty ran out pretty quickly. For all the software planners your there, heres a very basic tip when it comes to using ribbon bars 1. When people are used to how your toolbars are organized its generally a bad idea to switch to a smaller tabbed version where people have to guess. 2. With screens gettign wider and not longer, putting this massive chunk pf space at the top of your app is not so good. big workspace makes for easier use. My apologies if this rant is a duplicate of some previous one. . . but I just dived into Office 2010 with some course-ware I am going though

          Chona1171 Web Developer (C#), Silverlight

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          Chona1171 wrote:

          Ok lets agree on one thing

          It's usually not the developers' call. Including a "ribbon" makes it look "modern". Customers want "modern". It's that simple :)

          Chona1171 wrote:

          the novelty ran out pretty quickly.

          There's always a new hype :-\

          Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

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            Chona1171 wrote:

            Ok lets agree on one thing

            It's usually not the developers' call. Including a "ribbon" makes it look "modern". Customers want "modern". It's that simple :)

            Chona1171 wrote:

            the novelty ran out pretty quickly.

            There's always a new hype :-\

            Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

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            Eddy Vluggen wrote:

            Customers want "modern". It's that simple :)

            Yeah they do , also have your spent more than 5 minutes in a spec meeting and thought to yourself customers kinda know what they want but have absolutely no idea what they need ?!

            Eddy Vluggen wrote:

            There's always a new hype :->

            there is , one person goes metro style the whole planet has to go , I went to tech ed this year , and for the first time try to familiarize myself with windows 8, it took nearly forever to figure things out , for really basic operations. then they did away with the start button. . . I mean seriously !? both apple and linux have implemented this feature and all of a sudden some genius at microsoft believes no its better to have a pane with randomly sized blocks in an unordered list so someone can have fun while looking for their apps. Now dont get me wrong first glance it looked good. . trendy as they say. then on first use was like my WTF moment for the year first feature I installed , to get the start icon back you can have a splash screen that is animated, a paper clip that pops up and annoys you while you are trying to write a document and you can have an animation a dog sniffing while you are trying to search your documents. but a programs biggest function is to finish a task and not entertain you

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              Eddy Vluggen wrote:

              Customers want "modern". It's that simple :)

              Yeah they do , also have your spent more than 5 minutes in a spec meeting and thought to yourself customers kinda know what they want but have absolutely no idea what they need ?!

              Eddy Vluggen wrote:

              There's always a new hype :->

              there is , one person goes metro style the whole planet has to go , I went to tech ed this year , and for the first time try to familiarize myself with windows 8, it took nearly forever to figure things out , for really basic operations. then they did away with the start button. . . I mean seriously !? both apple and linux have implemented this feature and all of a sudden some genius at microsoft believes no its better to have a pane with randomly sized blocks in an unordered list so someone can have fun while looking for their apps. Now dont get me wrong first glance it looked good. . trendy as they say. then on first use was like my WTF moment for the year first feature I installed , to get the start icon back you can have a splash screen that is animated, a paper clip that pops up and annoys you while you are trying to write a document and you can have an animation a dog sniffing while you are trying to search your documents. but a programs biggest function is to finish a task and not entertain you

              Chona1171 Web Developer (C#), Silverlight

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              GuyThiebaut
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              Chona1171 wrote:

              customers kinda know what they want

              I've been in a number of meetings where even that was in doubt :((

              “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

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                Chona1171 wrote:

                Ok lets agree on one thing

                It's usually not the developers' call. Including a "ribbon" makes it look "modern". Customers want "modern". It's that simple :)

                Chona1171 wrote:

                the novelty ran out pretty quickly.

                There's always a new hype :-\

                Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

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                Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                It's usually not the developers' call.

                Pretty much :suss::java: They're currently trying to force me to change the name of the software I work on to something else... why? ...because it's new and different... ugh, marketing guys... :rolleyes:

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                  Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                  It's usually not the developers' call.

                  Pretty much :suss::java: They're currently trying to force me to change the name of the software I work on to something else... why? ...because it's new and different... ugh, marketing guys... :rolleyes:

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                  Albert Holguin wrote:

                  ...because it's new and different...

                  ..complete industries filled with people who actively refuse to think :sigh:

                  Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

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                    Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                    It's usually not the developers' call.

                    Pretty much :suss::java: They're currently trying to force me to change the name of the software I work on to something else... why? ...because it's new and different... ugh, marketing guys... :rolleyes:

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                    jschell
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                    Albert Holguin wrote:

                    They're currently trying to force me to change the name of the software I work on to something else

                    Why is the marketing name a problem for the code that you work on?

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                      Albert Holguin wrote:

                      They're currently trying to force me to change the name of the software I work on to something else

                      Why is the marketing name a problem for the code that you work on?

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                      Mostly because it implies something that the software doesn't really do (can't name names here :))... but they won't listen. What do I know, I've only been working in this field for about ten years....just a rookie... :rolleyes:

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