Yeah I guess this guy probably is a GOOD guy
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Sadaam started all of this when he invaded Kuwait in 91. You don't really think that this is all based on some grand scheme of the US to steal the oil fields and then not give them back to the Iraqi's do you? Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
Doug Goulden wrote: do you? no. but i also don't think this is about: * liberating the Iraqi people. we allow dictators all over the world, and we're friends with many of them. * helping the Iraqi people. we're doing a kind of a half-assed job in Afghanistan right now. we destroyed what government they had and replaced it with a weak puppet government. how many times must we repeat that move before we figure out what happens? * allowing them a real democracy. we won't, if it turns out they don't want to be our friends. * al-Queda. there is no link. half of Europe and nearly all of Iraq's neighbors have stronger links to al-Q than Iraq does. * the UN. GWB has stated that he'll act regardless of the UN's decision. that's great, but i don't see the logic in using UN resolutions as justification for acting outside the UN. * stability. things have been stable for a decade. so, i don't really know what this war is about. and neither does anyone else in the world - except GWB and Co. - and they aren't telling. http://www.prospect.org/print/V14/3/judis-j.html -c
When history comes, it always takes you by surprise.
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Doug Goulden wrote: do you? no. but i also don't think this is about: * liberating the Iraqi people. we allow dictators all over the world, and we're friends with many of them. * helping the Iraqi people. we're doing a kind of a half-assed job in Afghanistan right now. we destroyed what government they had and replaced it with a weak puppet government. how many times must we repeat that move before we figure out what happens? * allowing them a real democracy. we won't, if it turns out they don't want to be our friends. * al-Queda. there is no link. half of Europe and nearly all of Iraq's neighbors have stronger links to al-Q than Iraq does. * the UN. GWB has stated that he'll act regardless of the UN's decision. that's great, but i don't see the logic in using UN resolutions as justification for acting outside the UN. * stability. things have been stable for a decade. so, i don't really know what this war is about. and neither does anyone else in the world - except GWB and Co. - and they aren't telling. http://www.prospect.org/print/V14/3/judis-j.html -c
When history comes, it always takes you by surprise.
I dont think that this region of the world has EVER been stable. You won't find me being an apologist for the Isreali's or the Palestinians. And as for out ties with Saudi Arabia and Syria.... They are both scum bags dictatorships. I think that if anything Sept 11 th has shown we need to deal with all of the issues here.. Israel is just as guilty as the Palestinians in the whole conflict, however Arafat was a fool for turning down the deal that was negotiated for him. Now look at what is happened since Sharon has taken power. I wouldn't cry any tears if Saudi Arabia's government fell, they are a petty group of people who are stuck between their hatred for the US and their fear of their own people. Like the article your like showed , if they grew kumchuats we wouldn't care, but the reality is they have the oil we need so we have to deal with them. If the US was so bad we would have stomped the Saudi Government back in the 70's, but we didn't and we won't. As far as the government that replaced the Taliban... you really think Afghanistan is worse off with a government selected by their own tribal leaders than they were with the Taliban or a bunch of armed thugs? Look what happened to Kabul when the war lords were in charge before the Taliban. The US should have a long term plan to help both Afghanistan and Iraq. Call it a Marshal plan if you will ... Japan prosfered after WW2, we should try to help again. The UN is a joke, 17 resolutions and Sadaam is still thumbing his nose at the UN. When are people really going to understand that the guys isn't going to play? As far as Sadaam's ties to Al Quada.... On Sept 10th no one here would have thought Bin Laden posed the type of threat he did. And I for one don't need to see anymore smoking holes in the ground to be convinced that the real world is a dangerous place. So let the Bin Laden's and Sadaam's be warned that they aren't safe. I want them to lose sleep at night and worry about whats going to happen to their friends and families. I don;t want innocent civiilians to be killed again.... theirs or ours. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
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I dont think that this region of the world has EVER been stable. You won't find me being an apologist for the Isreali's or the Palestinians. And as for out ties with Saudi Arabia and Syria.... They are both scum bags dictatorships. I think that if anything Sept 11 th has shown we need to deal with all of the issues here.. Israel is just as guilty as the Palestinians in the whole conflict, however Arafat was a fool for turning down the deal that was negotiated for him. Now look at what is happened since Sharon has taken power. I wouldn't cry any tears if Saudi Arabia's government fell, they are a petty group of people who are stuck between their hatred for the US and their fear of their own people. Like the article your like showed , if they grew kumchuats we wouldn't care, but the reality is they have the oil we need so we have to deal with them. If the US was so bad we would have stomped the Saudi Government back in the 70's, but we didn't and we won't. As far as the government that replaced the Taliban... you really think Afghanistan is worse off with a government selected by their own tribal leaders than they were with the Taliban or a bunch of armed thugs? Look what happened to Kabul when the war lords were in charge before the Taliban. The US should have a long term plan to help both Afghanistan and Iraq. Call it a Marshal plan if you will ... Japan prosfered after WW2, we should try to help again. The UN is a joke, 17 resolutions and Sadaam is still thumbing his nose at the UN. When are people really going to understand that the guys isn't going to play? As far as Sadaam's ties to Al Quada.... On Sept 10th no one here would have thought Bin Laden posed the type of threat he did. And I for one don't need to see anymore smoking holes in the ground to be convinced that the real world is a dangerous place. So let the Bin Laden's and Sadaam's be warned that they aren't safe. I want them to lose sleep at night and worry about whats going to happen to their friends and families. I don;t want innocent civiilians to be killed again.... theirs or ours. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
Doug Goulden wrote: you really think Afghanistan is worse off with a government selected by their own tribal leaders than they were with the Taliban or a bunch of armed thugs? from what i've read, Kabul is safer now, but the warlords are back in control of the country side and al-Q may actually be setting up shop again. will Iraq turn out the same way? right now, conflicts between the religious and ethnic factions are only held in check because of Saddam. will the US puppet govt have the power to maintain the peace? if Afghanistan is any indication, the answer is no. -c
When history comes, it always takes you by surprise.
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Doug Goulden wrote: you really think Afghanistan is worse off with a government selected by their own tribal leaders than they were with the Taliban or a bunch of armed thugs? from what i've read, Kabul is safer now, but the warlords are back in control of the country side and al-Q may actually be setting up shop again. will Iraq turn out the same way? right now, conflicts between the religious and ethnic factions are only held in check because of Saddam. will the US puppet govt have the power to maintain the peace? if Afghanistan is any indication, the answer is no. -c
When history comes, it always takes you by surprise.
That just sounds like an arguement for a long term commitment. I believe that we should commit to being there to help out the people. Iraq probably has an advantage with their having the possibility of using their oil revenues after the conflict. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
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I dont think that this region of the world has EVER been stable. You won't find me being an apologist for the Isreali's or the Palestinians. And as for out ties with Saudi Arabia and Syria.... They are both scum bags dictatorships. I think that if anything Sept 11 th has shown we need to deal with all of the issues here.. Israel is just as guilty as the Palestinians in the whole conflict, however Arafat was a fool for turning down the deal that was negotiated for him. Now look at what is happened since Sharon has taken power. I wouldn't cry any tears if Saudi Arabia's government fell, they are a petty group of people who are stuck between their hatred for the US and their fear of their own people. Like the article your like showed , if they grew kumchuats we wouldn't care, but the reality is they have the oil we need so we have to deal with them. If the US was so bad we would have stomped the Saudi Government back in the 70's, but we didn't and we won't. As far as the government that replaced the Taliban... you really think Afghanistan is worse off with a government selected by their own tribal leaders than they were with the Taliban or a bunch of armed thugs? Look what happened to Kabul when the war lords were in charge before the Taliban. The US should have a long term plan to help both Afghanistan and Iraq. Call it a Marshal plan if you will ... Japan prosfered after WW2, we should try to help again. The UN is a joke, 17 resolutions and Sadaam is still thumbing his nose at the UN. When are people really going to understand that the guys isn't going to play? As far as Sadaam's ties to Al Quada.... On Sept 10th no one here would have thought Bin Laden posed the type of threat he did. And I for one don't need to see anymore smoking holes in the ground to be convinced that the real world is a dangerous place. So let the Bin Laden's and Sadaam's be warned that they aren't safe. I want them to lose sleep at night and worry about whats going to happen to their friends and families. I don;t want innocent civiilians to be killed again.... theirs or ours. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
Doug Goulden wrote: Israel is just as guilty as the Palestinians in the whole conflict I wouldnt blame Israel for much. They are God's chosen poeple. The second America stops supporting Israel, our country will take a huge turn for the worse. Michael Shuster Good judgement comes from experience, experience comes from bad judgement.
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Doug Goulden wrote: Israel is just as guilty as the Palestinians in the whole conflict I wouldnt blame Israel for much. They are God's chosen poeple. The second America stops supporting Israel, our country will take a huge turn for the worse. Michael Shuster Good judgement comes from experience, experience comes from bad judgement.
ARgh. I can't make up mind if this is sarcasam or not. Enlighten me, please? :) -- Say it darling Doesn’t seem like you want that kind of honey, honey
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Sorry, I don't understand (even if I probably guess the meaning). I learnt English at school, not American ;P
Angels banished from heaven have no choice but to become demons Cowboy Bebop
KaЯl wrote: I learnt English at school, not American Not much of a difference. ou = o, petrol = gas, trousers = pants. That's about it. :) And oh yeah, english speakers on the other side of the pond pronounces [edit]vocals vowels[/edit] a bit more relaxed. -- Say it darling Doesn’t seem like you want that kind of honey, honey
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ARgh. I can't make up mind if this is sarcasam or not. Enlighten me, please? :) -- Say it darling Doesn’t seem like you want that kind of honey, honey
No I am being serious.
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KaЯl wrote: I learnt English at school, not American Not much of a difference. ou = o, petrol = gas, trousers = pants. That's about it. :) And oh yeah, english speakers on the other side of the pond pronounces [edit]vocals vowels[/edit] a bit more relaxed. -- Say it darling Doesn’t seem like you want that kind of honey, honey
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KaЯl wrote: I learnt English at school, not American Not much of a difference. ou = o, petrol = gas, trousers = pants. That's about it. :) And oh yeah, english speakers on the other side of the pond pronounces [edit]vocals vowels[/edit] a bit more relaxed. -- Say it darling Doesn’t seem like you want that kind of honey, honey
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: And oh yeah, english speakers on the other side of the pond pronounces vocals a bit more relaxed. They seem to write also sometimes a bit more relaxed too :)
Angels banished from heaven have no choice but to become demons Cowboy Bebop
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Doug Goulden wrote: Israel is just as guilty as the Palestinians in the whole conflict I wouldnt blame Israel for much. They are God's chosen poeple. The second America stops supporting Israel, our country will take a huge turn for the worse. Michael Shuster Good judgement comes from experience, experience comes from bad judgement.
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I am going to have to disagree with you. I believe God's promise to Abraham still continues to present day. Michael Shuster Good judgement comes from experience; Experience comes from bad judgement.
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: And oh yeah, english speakers on the other side of the pond pronounces vocals a bit more relaxed. They seem to write also sometimes a bit more relaxed too :)
Angels banished from heaven have no choice but to become demons Cowboy Bebop
Just our spellin' ;P Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
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No I am being serious.
Ok, may I then ask of the reasoning behind your statement? I'm dying to know why the Israel are the chosen people and why america would suffer if the support was withdrawn. I do know the jews believe that they were infact chosen by God. But how can you justify that without having to believe in judaism? -- Say it darling Doesn’t seem like you want that kind of honey, honey
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Jason Henderson wrote: Let's start a flame war! Real wars have been fought about this claim. Still are. :) -- Say it darling Doesn’t seem like you want that kind of honey, honey
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I am going to have to disagree with you. I believe God's promise to Abraham still continues to present day. Michael Shuster Good judgement comes from experience; Experience comes from bad judgement.
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: trousers = pants you forgot also: "pants = shit"
shog nine
Ever since i heard the voice i thought i had no choice...
Shog9 wrote: you forgot also: "pants = shit" I didn't know that one. Thanks! And oh yeah, it's not a good ideaTM to ask for fags in the US if you intend to smoke. :) -- Say it darling Doesn’t seem like you want that kind of honey, honey
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I dont think that this region of the world has EVER been stable. You won't find me being an apologist for the Isreali's or the Palestinians. And as for out ties with Saudi Arabia and Syria.... They are both scum bags dictatorships. I think that if anything Sept 11 th has shown we need to deal with all of the issues here.. Israel is just as guilty as the Palestinians in the whole conflict, however Arafat was a fool for turning down the deal that was negotiated for him. Now look at what is happened since Sharon has taken power. I wouldn't cry any tears if Saudi Arabia's government fell, they are a petty group of people who are stuck between their hatred for the US and their fear of their own people. Like the article your like showed , if they grew kumchuats we wouldn't care, but the reality is they have the oil we need so we have to deal with them. If the US was so bad we would have stomped the Saudi Government back in the 70's, but we didn't and we won't. As far as the government that replaced the Taliban... you really think Afghanistan is worse off with a government selected by their own tribal leaders than they were with the Taliban or a bunch of armed thugs? Look what happened to Kabul when the war lords were in charge before the Taliban. The US should have a long term plan to help both Afghanistan and Iraq. Call it a Marshal plan if you will ... Japan prosfered after WW2, we should try to help again. The UN is a joke, 17 resolutions and Sadaam is still thumbing his nose at the UN. When are people really going to understand that the guys isn't going to play? As far as Sadaam's ties to Al Quada.... On Sept 10th no one here would have thought Bin Laden posed the type of threat he did. And I for one don't need to see anymore smoking holes in the ground to be convinced that the real world is a dangerous place. So let the Bin Laden's and Sadaam's be warned that they aren't safe. I want them to lose sleep at night and worry about whats going to happen to their friends and families. I don;t want innocent civiilians to be killed again.... theirs or ours. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
I agree, and you've said it very well. :-) Regards, Alvaro
The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing. -- Albert Einstein
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>They were God's chosen people. It was renewed recently.. Didn't you read the news GOD NAMES NEXT "CHOSEN PEOPLE"; IT'S JEWS AGAIN --------------------------------------------------
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I dont think that this region of the world has EVER been stable. You won't find me being an apologist for the Isreali's or the Palestinians. And as for out ties with Saudi Arabia and Syria.... They are both scum bags dictatorships. I think that if anything Sept 11 th has shown we need to deal with all of the issues here.. Israel is just as guilty as the Palestinians in the whole conflict, however Arafat was a fool for turning down the deal that was negotiated for him. Now look at what is happened since Sharon has taken power. I wouldn't cry any tears if Saudi Arabia's government fell, they are a petty group of people who are stuck between their hatred for the US and their fear of their own people. Like the article your like showed , if they grew kumchuats we wouldn't care, but the reality is they have the oil we need so we have to deal with them. If the US was so bad we would have stomped the Saudi Government back in the 70's, but we didn't and we won't. As far as the government that replaced the Taliban... you really think Afghanistan is worse off with a government selected by their own tribal leaders than they were with the Taliban or a bunch of armed thugs? Look what happened to Kabul when the war lords were in charge before the Taliban. The US should have a long term plan to help both Afghanistan and Iraq. Call it a Marshal plan if you will ... Japan prosfered after WW2, we should try to help again. The UN is a joke, 17 resolutions and Sadaam is still thumbing his nose at the UN. When are people really going to understand that the guys isn't going to play? As far as Sadaam's ties to Al Quada.... On Sept 10th no one here would have thought Bin Laden posed the type of threat he did. And I for one don't need to see anymore smoking holes in the ground to be convinced that the real world is a dangerous place. So let the Bin Laden's and Sadaam's be warned that they aren't safe. I want them to lose sleep at night and worry about whats going to happen to their friends and families. I don;t want innocent civiilians to be killed again.... theirs or ours. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
The UN is a joke, 17 resolutions and Sadaam is still thumbing his nose at the UN. Do you know how many UN resolutions there are against the US? Not to mention those we have vetoed. Remember our adventures in Nicaragua, Guam, etc.? Remember how we assassinated the democratically elected president of Iran and put our puppet, the Shah, in place?