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  • L Lost User

    Suvabrata Roy wrote:

    standers

    What do you mean?

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    Suvabrata Roy 0
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    standards :) typo...

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      No dear speed will always matter...

      Life is all about share and care... public class Life : ICareable,IShareable { // implements yours... }

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      Joe Woodbury
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      Nobody cares about speed if you don't solve their problem. The very existence of .NET and Java prove that speed is not of primary concern. Now, once you solve the problem, reliability, predictability and speed come very much into play (hence, why I still get work doing C++ development.)

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        Nobody cares about speed if you don't solve their problem. The very existence of .NET and Java prove that speed is not of primary concern. Now, once you solve the problem, reliability, predictability and speed come very much into play (hence, why I still get work doing C++ development.)

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        Suvabrata Roy 0
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        Yes we should solve the problem and we also care about speed at the same time

        Life is all about share and care... public class Life : ICareable,IShareable { // implements yours... }

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        • S Suvabrata Roy 0

          Hi Geeks, Which part is the most important part in prospect of a coding. 1. Exception Handling 2. Reliability 3. Availability 4. Performance 5. Security You can chose multiple but you should assign them as priority.

          Life is all about share and care... public class Life : ICareable,IShareable { // implements yours... }

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          Jonas Hammarberg
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          • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

            0. Bacon 1. Coffee 2. Specification 3. Design 4. Payment

            The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger.

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            SortaCore
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            I think you forgot pizza :((

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              I think you forgot pizza :((

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              OriginalGriff
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              If you have enough Bacon, you don't need Pizza! :laugh:

              The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger.

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              • S Suvabrata Roy 0

                Yes, but functionality is the most basic requirement without which you cant proceed but which ever point I have mentioned those are you may or may not.

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                Rob Grainger
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                I don't know, software isn't very functional if no attention is paid to the members of that list.

                "If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough." Alan Kay.

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                  Hi Geeks, Which part is the most important part in prospect of a coding. 1. Exception Handling 2. Reliability 3. Availability 4. Performance 5. Security You can chose multiple but you should assign them as priority.

                  Life is all about share and care... public class Life : ICareable,IShareable { // implements yours... }

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                  rnbergren
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                  Getting S%!& done. Seriously all that you mention is great and extremely important. But don't ever lose the final goal of putting product out the door. If you cannot get information into the customers hands you won't have a job for very long. It bugs me when people spend 3 weeks in analysis paralysis on Error/Exception handling when the project should have taken 1 day. But going from your list Availability Reliability Security Performance Errors/Exceptions

                  To err is human to really mess up you need a computer

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                  • S Suvabrata Roy 0

                    Hi Geeks, Which part is the most important part in prospect of a coding. 1. Exception Handling 2. Reliability 3. Availability 4. Performance 5. Security You can chose multiple but you should assign them as priority.

                    Life is all about share and care... public class Life : ICareable,IShareable { // implements yours... }

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                    Paulo_JCG
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                    There's no best answer, each project has a especific order. Missing 1. Usefullness

                    Paulo Gomes Over and Out :D

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                    • S Suvabrata Roy 0

                      Hi Geeks, Which part is the most important part in prospect of a coding. 1. Exception Handling 2. Reliability 3. Availability 4. Performance 5. Security You can chose multiple but you should assign them as priority.

                      Life is all about share and care... public class Life : ICareable,IShareable { // implements yours... }

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                      svella
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                      Reliability encompasses all the others except maybe performance, but I would think think a product without acceptable performance would be consider unreliable by most.

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                      • L Lost User

                        Suvabrata Roy wrote:

                        Ya!!!!

                        There are some project managers and sales people I would like to introduce you to :) But seriously, functionality is not a given. As others pointed out "Requirements", are important. With out them I can give you what you want always, as it is my opinion of what you want. Of course when you receive it you inform me that is not what you meant. Great! Can I have your requirements of what you want? Oh you know what I want. No, really I don not. Please tell me. OK, I want it to do A then B. 3 months later.... Ok Here it is A then B. Ah, but it is doing C. Its not suppose to do C. You didn't say that. Well I figured you knew that it can not do C. 3 months later.... OK here it is A then B and not C. Ahhh. You did not do B.2 you did B.1 :mad:

                        Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet. The interesting thing about software is it can not reproduce, until it can.

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                        BrainiacV
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                        I'd have to quote your entire post, assuming I did... My experience has been... THEM: Can you do A? ME: Yes, here it is. THEM: Oh, can you do B? ME: Yes, here it is. THEM: OK, can you do C? ME: Yes, here it is. THEM: How about D? ME: Getting harder, but yes, here it is. THEM: I really need E. ME: Why didn't you ask for it first? I can do it, but it is much harder now. THEM: I didn't know you could do it until you managed to do A, B, C,and D, but E is what I really wanted all along. ME: You know, I could have given you E, much faster and easier if you had asked for it first. THEM: I didn't know what you could do (as in product, not my abilities). ME: Grrrr!

                        Psychosis at 10 Film at 11 Those who do not remember the past, are doomed to repeat it. Those who do not remember the past, cannot build upon it.

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                        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                          Since when? Cost influences everything we do: if it costs too much, it won't get done; it is comes in under budget we might get new toys. Or a pay rise.

                          The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger.

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                          BrainiacV
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                          OriginalGriff wrote:

                          Or a pay rise.

                          Wait,...you lost me there. Did you mean the bonus the execs give themselves?

                          Psychosis at 10 Film at 11 Those who do not remember the past, are doomed to repeat it. Those who do not remember the past, cannot build upon it.

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                            Getting paid... I wouldn't do it otherwise. Don't get me wrong I enjoy coding but after 8 hours a day I don't look at any code after hours. I see Griff already had payment on his list. That's how important it is to coding.

                            It was broke, so I fixed it.

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                            BrainiacV
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                            S Houghtelin wrote:

                            I don't look at any code after hours.

                            So you are not a true believer. ???

                            Psychosis at 10 Film at 11 Those who do not remember the past, are doomed to repeat it. Those who do not remember the past, cannot build upon it.

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                              Suvabrata Roy wrote:

                              Which part is the most important part in prospect of a coding.

                              What's most important to you when undergoing surgery?

                              1. Anesthetic?
                              2. Disinfecting?
                              3. Sewing the body when done?
                              4. Checking if you still have both your gloves?
                              5. Survival?

                              Please, assign priorities :) They're all priorities. When someone repairs a car, do you ask whether checking the brakes is a priority? What you're asking is where you can cut corners. The plain answer is that you can't, the quality will always suffer. That doesn't mean that the client would notice. Security isn't a problem (and doesn't get any budget), until it's proven to be broken. A completely secure program that doesn't perform, will not be used, no matter what it will promise the user. The most important aspect of any trade, is learning the trade.

                              Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

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                              BrainiacV
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                              Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                              When someone repairs a car, do you ask whether checking the brakes is a priority?

                              I see we are of the same mind. I used to counter with a similar question when a management fad was "Time boxing". Work on the module for a certain amount of time and then move on. I'd ask, "Do you want the mechanic working on your brakes to time box or would you rather he finish the job?" Yes, I was one of the usual suspects when it came to asking questions at the end of a presentation.

                              Psychosis at 10 Film at 11 Those who do not remember the past, are doomed to repeat it. Those who do not remember the past, cannot build upon it.

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                              • S svella

                                Reliability encompasses all the others except maybe performance, but I would think think a product without acceptable performance would be consider unreliable by most.

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                                Suvabrata Roy 0
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                                Hmm....:thumbsup:

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                                  Getting S%!& done. Seriously all that you mention is great and extremely important. But don't ever lose the final goal of putting product out the door. If you cannot get information into the customers hands you won't have a job for very long. It bugs me when people spend 3 weeks in analysis paralysis on Error/Exception handling when the project should have taken 1 day. But going from your list Availability Reliability Security Performance Errors/Exceptions

                                  To err is human to really mess up you need a computer

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                                  Suvabrata Roy 0
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                                  Well Explained... :)

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                                  • R Rob Grainger

                                    I don't know, software isn't very functional if no attention is paid to the members of that list.

                                    "If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough." Alan Kay.

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                                    That is the basic requirement....

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                                    • B BrainiacV

                                      S Houghtelin wrote:

                                      I don't look at any code after hours.

                                      So you are not a true believer. ???

                                      Psychosis at 10 Film at 11 Those who do not remember the past, are doomed to repeat it. Those who do not remember the past, cannot build upon it.

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                                      S Houghtelin
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                                      BrainiacV wrote:

                                      So you are not a true believer. ???

                                      Not in the least, I truly believe I've had enough coding by the end of the day. I also have my family and my hobbies that I enjoy. ;)

                                      It was broke, so I fixed it.

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                                      • S Suvabrata Roy 0

                                        Hi Geeks, Which part is the most important part in prospect of a coding. 1. Exception Handling 2. Reliability 3. Availability 4. Performance 5. Security You can chose multiple but you should assign them as priority.

                                        Life is all about share and care... public class Life : ICareable,IShareable { // implements yours... }

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                                        dpminusa
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                                        1. Reliability 2. Performance 3. Exception Handling 4. Security 5. Availability (not sure what your definition is here: platform support?) If its buggy I don't care about most of the other stuff. If it is tight I am concerned about how fast it is and how well it handles typical exceptions. If it runs well I am concerned about security and platform availability. If it is buggy how secure can it be anyway.

                                        "Courtesy is the product of a mature, disciplined mind ... ridicule is lack of the same - DPM"

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                                          I'd have to quote your entire post, assuming I did... My experience has been... THEM: Can you do A? ME: Yes, here it is. THEM: Oh, can you do B? ME: Yes, here it is. THEM: OK, can you do C? ME: Yes, here it is. THEM: How about D? ME: Getting harder, but yes, here it is. THEM: I really need E. ME: Why didn't you ask for it first? I can do it, but it is much harder now. THEM: I didn't know you could do it until you managed to do A, B, C,and D, but E is what I really wanted all along. ME: You know, I could have given you E, much faster and easier if you had asked for it first. THEM: I didn't know what you could do (as in product, not my abilities). ME: Grrrr!

                                          Psychosis at 10 Film at 11 Those who do not remember the past, are doomed to repeat it. Those who do not remember the past, cannot build upon it.

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                                          Yes I have seen that as well. What's worse is often when they ask for A, you respond with a hestiant But this seems unusable. Why not just build some like this: E No, no no. We can't afford to do that. We need A. Then as you wrote it happens. Which then when they ask for E and say that is what they always want.... You dang near go postal. Maybe some day they will refer to it as going Developer :omg:

                                          Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet. The interesting thing about software is it can not reproduce, until it can.

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