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  • Z ZurdoDev

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    That's a bit like witch-burning.

    No, not at all. If you survive a jump from an airplane you have made sufficient payment for your crimes and get to live. You shouldn't be taken to the hospital, have all your broken bones recover, and then get thrown out again. :)

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    I don't think that chartering an airplane to execute one person is cheaper

    Have you seen how much it cost, at least in the US system, to execute a person? It's insane. It's often cheaper to let them live. How crazy is that?

    There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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    I don't exactly now about the costs. But I'd guess a bit of rope is still cheaper than a flight with an airplane. The costs for all those lawyers and judges still remain the same. (And I'd guess they make up most of those costs) Or how much does that poison the US uses cost? :)

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      RyanDev wrote:

      The death penalty should be done by throwing people out of an airplane without a parachute and if they survive they get to live.

      That's a bit like witch-burning. If they survive they are clearly witches and will be killed for that. If they didn't survive. "Hey. They might still have been guilty after all. How do you know that witches can survive beeing burned on a pyre?"

      RyanDev wrote:

      It would be much cheaper and a fun way to die.

      I don't think that chartering an airplane to execute one person is cheaper ;) But I'd agree that it would be a way more funny way to die :)

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      Nicholas Marty wrote:

      I don't think that chartering an airplane to execute one person is cheaper

      With an A380, you can execute about 850 people in one flight. You could also use regular lines which are not entirely booked, and fill it up with criminals.

      ~RaGE();

      I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb

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      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

        1KG of Crystal Meth, and the rule is: ">30g and we hang you" - has been for three years so he would almost certainly have known the punishment. No sympathy for people dealing in that cr@p: they don't have any sympathy for the people they hook onto it, the lives they destroy. I figure they can try another 31 times to kill him before they run out of grams...

        The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger. English doesn't borrow from other languages. English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.

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        Yeah, Sure he should have known the punishment, or at least that there will be some punishment. Still, I think it's quite hard to get hanged twice. I don't think he calculated with that ;P Besides.. the doctors who confirmed his death did a terrible job ;) And to be honest, for those who willingly destroy their own life by taking drugs like crystal meth or a like, I also don't feel any sympathy... You don't buy drugs you don't know nothing about and complain later you didn't know... But I guess there are also to many who don't know what they are doing and do it because all the other "cool guys" do it. Still, ignorance is no excuse. :suss:

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        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

          1KG of Crystal Meth, and the rule is: ">30g and we hang you" - has been for three years so he would almost certainly have known the punishment. No sympathy for people dealing in that cr@p: they don't have any sympathy for the people they hook onto it, the lives they destroy. I figure they can try another 31 times to kill him before they run out of grams...

          The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger. English doesn't borrow from other languages. English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.

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          OriginalGriff wrote:

          1KG of Crystal Meth,

          .. but was it blue?

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            Disclaimer: This should be no discussion about death sentence. However as threads about those do tend to turn into that direction I post in the soap box. Well, I'd imagine getting hanged to be quite... uhm... unpleasant... I present you now: One who survived hanging with a rope around his neck for 12 minutes, is currently recovering and as soon as he is healthy enough, should hang AGAIN! :omg: CNN News[^]

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            He was sentenced to death by hanging, he was hanged until pronounced dead so the sentence was carried out in full. It isn't his fault that he wasn't dead enough. It's like sending someone back to prison for another ten years cos they looked too cheerful after completing their initial ten year sentence. Or not like that at all.

            “I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks

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              OriginalGriff wrote:

              1KG of Crystal Meth,

              .. but was it blue?

              ========================================================= I'm an optoholic - my glass is always half full of vodka. =========================================================

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              No, it was Mercury Fulminate :laugh:

              The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger. English doesn't borrow from other languages. English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.

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              "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                Yeah, Sure he should have known the punishment, or at least that there will be some punishment. Still, I think it's quite hard to get hanged twice. I don't think he calculated with that ;P Besides.. the doctors who confirmed his death did a terrible job ;) And to be honest, for those who willingly destroy their own life by taking drugs like crystal meth or a like, I also don't feel any sympathy... You don't buy drugs you don't know nothing about and complain later you didn't know... But I guess there are also to many who don't know what they are doing and do it because all the other "cool guys" do it. Still, ignorance is no excuse. :suss:

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                The dealers tactics with CM are different though: free (very high quality) tasters to get you hooked, then hike the price to gouge you when you need the stuff. Since it is apparently seriously addictive, it doesn't take much to build up a "clientele" apparently. Legalise the whole damn lot. Tax it, regulate the purity and get rid of the moneymaking bandits in the middle. The government as a whole would save a fortune on (clearly ineffective) enforcement and rake it in in tax revenues. And you'd have a reduced crime and dependency problem into the bargain.

                The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger. English doesn't borrow from other languages. English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.

                "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                  The dealers tactics with CM are different though: free (very high quality) tasters to get you hooked, then hike the price to gouge you when you need the stuff. Since it is apparently seriously addictive, it doesn't take much to build up a "clientele" apparently. Legalise the whole damn lot. Tax it, regulate the purity and get rid of the moneymaking bandits in the middle. The government as a whole would save a fortune on (clearly ineffective) enforcement and rake it in in tax revenues. And you'd have a reduced crime and dependency problem into the bargain.

                  The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger. English doesn't borrow from other languages. English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.

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                  OriginalGriff wrote:

                  And you'd have a reduced crime and dependency problem into the bargain.

                  And a whole bunch of useless creatures who would be a burden on society and living off tax payers' money.

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                    Nicholas Marty wrote:

                    I don't think that chartering an airplane to execute one person is cheaper

                    With an A380, you can execute about 850 people in one flight. You could also use regular lines which are not entirely booked, and fill it up with criminals.

                    ~RaGE();

                    I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb

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                    You could even use some transport aircraft to bring a lot more. Why should they need seats? ;) But, how often is any country executing even more than one person in a single day? quite a rare occasion I'd think (or at least hope so...). Regular lines? I guess not that many companies would be interested in such bad promotion when the majority of people are against death sentence.

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                    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                      The dealers tactics with CM are different though: free (very high quality) tasters to get you hooked, then hike the price to gouge you when you need the stuff. Since it is apparently seriously addictive, it doesn't take much to build up a "clientele" apparently. Legalise the whole damn lot. Tax it, regulate the purity and get rid of the moneymaking bandits in the middle. The government as a whole would save a fortune on (clearly ineffective) enforcement and rake it in in tax revenues. And you'd have a reduced crime and dependency problem into the bargain.

                      The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger. English doesn't borrow from other languages. English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.

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                      OriginalGriff wrote:

                      The dealers tactics with CM are different though: free (very high quality) tasters to get you hooked, then hike the price to gouge you when you need the stuff. Since it is apparently seriously addictive, it doesn't take much to build up a "clientele" apparently.

                      I don't care how much of any kind of drug I know or don't know of you offer me for free, I'm not taking it. So because someone offered it to you for free and you took it and are now hooked, you can't really blame that person 100%.

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                        He was sentenced to death by hanging, he was hanged until pronounced dead so the sentence was carried out in full. It isn't his fault that he wasn't dead enough. It's like sending someone back to prison for another ten years cos they looked too cheerful after completing their initial ten year sentence. Or not like that at all.

                        “I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks

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                        ChrisElston wrote:

                        He was sentenced to death by hanging, he was hanged until pronounced dead so the sentence was carried out in full.

                        Even if you don't go by the wording "until pronounced dead": They officially declared him dead, didn't they? I mean they signed his death certificate etc. If they would treat this like the US do, he should now officially be dead and thus having received his punishment defined by the sentence... ;)

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                        • N Nicholas Marty

                          You could even use some transport aircraft to bring a lot more. Why should they need seats? ;) But, how often is any country executing even more than one person in a single day? quite a rare occasion I'd think (or at least hope so...). Regular lines? I guess not that many companies would be interested in such bad promotion when the majority of people are against death sentence.

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                          Nicholas Marty wrote:

                          Why should they need seats

                          Well, I mean, a bit of humanity would not harm. We are not monsters, are we ?

                          Nicholas Marty wrote:

                          how often is any country executing even more than one person in a single day?

                          Some countries do.[^], but not a lot[^]. Helicopters might be a good trade off for lower frequency.

                          Nicholas Marty wrote:

                          not that many companies would be interested

                          Nobody would notice the door opening for a few minutes in the back.

                          ~RaGE();

                          I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb

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                          • N Nicholas Marty

                            Disclaimer: This should be no discussion about death sentence. However as threads about those do tend to turn into that direction I post in the soap box. Well, I'd imagine getting hanged to be quite... uhm... unpleasant... I present you now: One who survived hanging with a rope around his neck for 12 minutes, is currently recovering and as soon as he is healthy enough, should hang AGAIN! :omg: CNN News[^]

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                            Everybody deserves a second chance ! Oh, wait, ...

                            ~RaGE();

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                              Nicholas Marty wrote:

                              Why should they need seats

                              Well, I mean, a bit of humanity would not harm. We are not monsters, are we ?

                              Nicholas Marty wrote:

                              how often is any country executing even more than one person in a single day?

                              Some countries do.[^], but not a lot[^]. Helicopters might be a good trade off for lower frequency.

                              Nicholas Marty wrote:

                              not that many companies would be interested

                              Nobody would notice the door opening for a few minutes in the back.

                              ~RaGE();

                              I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb

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                              ZurdoDev
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                              Helicopters might be a good trade off for lower frequency.

                              Death by helicopter? Ow, that could get messy. :)

                              There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                                OriginalGriff wrote:

                                The dealers tactics with CM are different though: free (very high quality) tasters to get you hooked, then hike the price to gouge you when you need the stuff. Since it is apparently seriously addictive, it doesn't take much to build up a "clientele" apparently.

                                I don't care how much of any kind of drug I know or don't know of you offer me for free, I'm not taking it. So because someone offered it to you for free and you took it and are now hooked, you can't really blame that person 100%.

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                                When you prey on the weak and the vulnerable; when they are at their nadir; and you lift them out of misery into (apparent) elation purely to addict them and get them as a money farm. When you do this knowing damn well that their miserable lives are about to be a damn sight worse in the long run, not caring - then yes, it is your fault 100%. You and I may not be their chosen targets - because you are not at a stage in life when any relief, any joy, is something to be grasped - but it doesn't take much to start people on that slippery slope. And you don't always realize that the slope even exists until it is already pretty much vertical...

                                The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger. English doesn't borrow from other languages. English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.

                                "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                                "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                                  Helicopters might be a good trade off for lower frequency.

                                  Death by helicopter? Ow, that could get messy. :)

                                  There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                                  It did not even need to take off : you need a 8m high building nearby, or a trampoline.

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                                    OriginalGriff wrote:

                                    The dealers tactics with CM are different though: free (very high quality) tasters to get you hooked, then hike the price to gouge you when you need the stuff. Since it is apparently seriously addictive, it doesn't take much to build up a "clientele" apparently.

                                    I don't care how much of any kind of drug I know or don't know of you offer me for free, I'm not taking it. So because someone offered it to you for free and you took it and are now hooked, you can't really blame that person 100%.

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                                    That is probably why they only killed him by 47%.

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                                      It did not even need to take off : you need a 8m high building nearby, or a trampoline.

                                      ~RaGE();

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                                      trampoline.

                                      :laugh: So, they throw him off a building, onto a trampoline, and into the helicopter blades. Only they miscalculate the angle so it takes off an arm and the guy lives. So now, they have to bandage him up, heal him, and then try again. We're back to the OP on this one. :)

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                                        OriginalGriff wrote:

                                        And you'd have a reduced crime and dependency problem into the bargain.

                                        And a whole bunch of useless creatures who would be a burden on society and living off tax payers' money.

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                                        Shameel wrote:

                                        And a whole bunch of useless creatures who would be a burden on society and living off tax payers' money.

                                        The latter doesn't follow. And the former presumes that those people do not exist now.

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                                          When you prey on the weak and the vulnerable; when they are at their nadir; and you lift them out of misery into (apparent) elation purely to addict them and get them as a money farm. When you do this knowing damn well that their miserable lives are about to be a damn sight worse in the long run, not caring - then yes, it is your fault 100%. You and I may not be their chosen targets - because you are not at a stage in life when any relief, any joy, is something to be grasped - but it doesn't take much to start people on that slippery slope. And you don't always realize that the slope even exists until it is already pretty much vertical...

                                          The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger. English doesn't borrow from other languages. English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.

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                                          OriginalGriff wrote:

                                          When you prey on the weak and the vulnerable; when they are at their nadir; and you lift them out of misery into (apparent) elation purely to addict them and get them as a money farm. When you do this knowing damn well that their miserable lives are about to be a damn sight worse in the long run, not caring - then yes, it is your fault 100%.

                                          I am guessing that you have no idea how marketing and sales of all products work. For example no one needs bacon. People sell it only to make money. They want people to buy it knowing and hoping that they will like it so much they will keep buying it. They provide promotions and gimmicks to increase market share. And at least in the US there are even individuals paid to encourage various government entities to favor it over alternatives.

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