Stupid move by Nintendo?
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Nintendo says Super Mario in-browser game 'illegal' Super Mario Brothers was first copyrighted in 1985 Continue reading the main story Related Stories How Nintendo pioneer changed gaming A browser-based re-creation of the popular Super Mario Brothers console game has fallen foul of Nintendo's copyright lawyers,
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24612069[^] Should Nintendo be aggressively crushing this boy and the online browser version of the game or should they give him a reasonable offer, buy the game off him and maybe win some customer loyalty points? Simply crushing the game will make fans of the series turn on Nintendo, maybe they're missing a trick here? Nintendo as many might know haven't been doing well recently, the WII U being a massive flop. "Earlier this year Nintendo stopped people posting footage of their games on YouTube." Which in my opinion is one of the worst decisions a gaming company could make, people watch these games on YouTube, watch the "Let's Play" and are encouraged to play the game themselves, it's free, positive marketing!
Simon Lee Shugar (Software Developer) www.simonshugar.co.uk "If something goes by a false name, would it mean that thing is fake? False by nature?" By Gilbert Durandil
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Nintendo says Super Mario in-browser game 'illegal' Super Mario Brothers was first copyrighted in 1985 Continue reading the main story Related Stories How Nintendo pioneer changed gaming A browser-based re-creation of the popular Super Mario Brothers console game has fallen foul of Nintendo's copyright lawyers,
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24612069[^] Should Nintendo be aggressively crushing this boy and the online browser version of the game or should they give him a reasonable offer, buy the game off him and maybe win some customer loyalty points? Simply crushing the game will make fans of the series turn on Nintendo, maybe they're missing a trick here? Nintendo as many might know haven't been doing well recently, the WII U being a massive flop. "Earlier this year Nintendo stopped people posting footage of their games on YouTube." Which in my opinion is one of the worst decisions a gaming company could make, people watch these games on YouTube, watch the "Let's Play" and are encouraged to play the game themselves, it's free, positive marketing!
Simon Lee Shugar (Software Developer) www.simonshugar.co.uk "If something goes by a false name, would it mean that thing is fake? False by nature?" By Gilbert Durandil
I seem to recall there's a VBA for Excel that allows Sonic The Hedgehog to be played (and was the reason VBA was banned at my College for about two hours!)
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Nintendo says Super Mario in-browser game 'illegal' Super Mario Brothers was first copyrighted in 1985 Continue reading the main story Related Stories How Nintendo pioneer changed gaming A browser-based re-creation of the popular Super Mario Brothers console game has fallen foul of Nintendo's copyright lawyers,
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24612069[^] Should Nintendo be aggressively crushing this boy and the online browser version of the game or should they give him a reasonable offer, buy the game off him and maybe win some customer loyalty points? Simply crushing the game will make fans of the series turn on Nintendo, maybe they're missing a trick here? Nintendo as many might know haven't been doing well recently, the WII U being a massive flop. "Earlier this year Nintendo stopped people posting footage of their games on YouTube." Which in my opinion is one of the worst decisions a gaming company could make, people watch these games on YouTube, watch the "Let's Play" and are encouraged to play the game themselves, it's free, positive marketing!
Simon Lee Shugar (Software Developer) www.simonshugar.co.uk "If something goes by a false name, would it mean that thing is fake? False by nature?" By Gilbert Durandil
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Nintendo says Super Mario in-browser game 'illegal' Super Mario Brothers was first copyrighted in 1985 Continue reading the main story Related Stories How Nintendo pioneer changed gaming A browser-based re-creation of the popular Super Mario Brothers console game has fallen foul of Nintendo's copyright lawyers,
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24612069[^] Should Nintendo be aggressively crushing this boy and the online browser version of the game or should they give him a reasonable offer, buy the game off him and maybe win some customer loyalty points? Simply crushing the game will make fans of the series turn on Nintendo, maybe they're missing a trick here? Nintendo as many might know haven't been doing well recently, the WII U being a massive flop. "Earlier this year Nintendo stopped people posting footage of their games on YouTube." Which in my opinion is one of the worst decisions a gaming company could make, people watch these games on YouTube, watch the "Let's Play" and are encouraged to play the game themselves, it's free, positive marketing!
Simon Lee Shugar (Software Developer) www.simonshugar.co.uk "If something goes by a false name, would it mean that thing is fake? False by nature?" By Gilbert Durandil
Yeah, next they'll be suing people for having played it, a la the recording industry.
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Nintendo says Super Mario in-browser game 'illegal' Super Mario Brothers was first copyrighted in 1985 Continue reading the main story Related Stories How Nintendo pioneer changed gaming A browser-based re-creation of the popular Super Mario Brothers console game has fallen foul of Nintendo's copyright lawyers,
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24612069[^] Should Nintendo be aggressively crushing this boy and the online browser version of the game or should they give him a reasonable offer, buy the game off him and maybe win some customer loyalty points? Simply crushing the game will make fans of the series turn on Nintendo, maybe they're missing a trick here? Nintendo as many might know haven't been doing well recently, the WII U being a massive flop. "Earlier this year Nintendo stopped people posting footage of their games on YouTube." Which in my opinion is one of the worst decisions a gaming company could make, people watch these games on YouTube, watch the "Let's Play" and are encouraged to play the game themselves, it's free, positive marketing!
Simon Lee Shugar (Software Developer) www.simonshugar.co.uk "If something goes by a false name, would it mean that thing is fake? False by nature?" By Gilbert Durandil
Simon Lee Shugar wrote:
they give him a reasonable offer
All the Zelda games (including the console to play them), that's a deal to me.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb
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Nintendo says Super Mario in-browser game 'illegal' Super Mario Brothers was first copyrighted in 1985 Continue reading the main story Related Stories How Nintendo pioneer changed gaming A browser-based re-creation of the popular Super Mario Brothers console game has fallen foul of Nintendo's copyright lawyers,
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24612069[^] Should Nintendo be aggressively crushing this boy and the online browser version of the game or should they give him a reasonable offer, buy the game off him and maybe win some customer loyalty points? Simply crushing the game will make fans of the series turn on Nintendo, maybe they're missing a trick here? Nintendo as many might know haven't been doing well recently, the WII U being a massive flop. "Earlier this year Nintendo stopped people posting footage of their games on YouTube." Which in my opinion is one of the worst decisions a gaming company could make, people watch these games on YouTube, watch the "Let's Play" and are encouraged to play the game themselves, it's free, positive marketing!
Simon Lee Shugar (Software Developer) www.simonshugar.co.uk "If something goes by a false name, would it mean that thing is fake? False by nature?" By Gilbert Durandil
does Nintendo still own the rights to the game? yes. end of story.
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does Nintendo still own the rights to the game? yes. end of story.
Your reading the wrong story :), not arguing whether they can, but whether they should, are they shooting themselves in the foot by being so aggressive?
Simon Lee Shugar (Software Developer) www.simonshugar.co.uk "If something goes by a false name, would it mean that thing is fake? False by nature?" By Gilbert Durandil
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Nintendo says Super Mario in-browser game 'illegal' Super Mario Brothers was first copyrighted in 1985 Continue reading the main story Related Stories How Nintendo pioneer changed gaming A browser-based re-creation of the popular Super Mario Brothers console game has fallen foul of Nintendo's copyright lawyers,
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24612069[^] Should Nintendo be aggressively crushing this boy and the online browser version of the game or should they give him a reasonable offer, buy the game off him and maybe win some customer loyalty points? Simply crushing the game will make fans of the series turn on Nintendo, maybe they're missing a trick here? Nintendo as many might know haven't been doing well recently, the WII U being a massive flop. "Earlier this year Nintendo stopped people posting footage of their games on YouTube." Which in my opinion is one of the worst decisions a gaming company could make, people watch these games on YouTube, watch the "Let's Play" and are encouraged to play the game themselves, it's free, positive marketing!
Simon Lee Shugar (Software Developer) www.simonshugar.co.uk "If something goes by a false name, would it mean that thing is fake? False by nature?" By Gilbert Durandil
It is a complicated matter, On one hand you have the fact that they are not wrong on try to protect their copyright, if it was my software, I would want the same. Additionally, to pay someone that used your product without your authorization to make something which became successful is a matter of choice. On the other hand, I believe Simon is right when he posted:
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Simply crushing the game will make fans of the series turn on Nintendo
There might be like 10 different way to deal with this situation which would benefit both nintendo and the guy who, by the way, made the game draw a lot of attention...
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Your reading the wrong story :), not arguing whether they can, but whether they should, are they shooting themselves in the foot by being so aggressive?
Simon Lee Shugar (Software Developer) www.simonshugar.co.uk "If something goes by a false name, would it mean that thing is fake? False by nature?" By Gilbert Durandil
It's done Disney a lot of harm.
speramus in juniperus
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Your reading the wrong story :), not arguing whether they can, but whether they should, are they shooting themselves in the foot by being so aggressive?
Simon Lee Shugar (Software Developer) www.simonshugar.co.uk "If something goes by a false name, would it mean that thing is fake? False by nature?" By Gilbert Durandil
of course they should. it's their game. aggressive? imagine you're a professional programmer. one day you discover that someone has produced a knock-off of one of your best selling titles and made it available for free. you might think the person who blatantly ripped you off was the aggressive one.
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of course they should. it's their game. aggressive? imagine you're a professional programmer. one day you discover that someone has produced a knock-off of one of your best selling titles and made it available for free. you might think the person who blatantly ripped you off was the aggressive one.
Chris Losinger wrote:
has produced a knock-off of one of your best selling titles
Question for you... How much money is Nintendo currently making off of selling a 28 year old game...? :doh: Everyone that is playing that game online has most likely owned that game in one form or another, whether it was the original NES version, or one of the Gameboy remakes, or the Wii Virtual Console. What is the harm in letting someone that has already bought the game (at least once) play it on a medium that you do not offer it on?
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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Your reading the wrong story :), not arguing whether they can, but whether they should, are they shooting themselves in the foot by being so aggressive?
Simon Lee Shugar (Software Developer) www.simonshugar.co.uk "If something goes by a false name, would it mean that thing is fake? False by nature?" By Gilbert Durandil
Part of me thinks, fair do they sat down (and created a short overweight Italian plumber who has a thing for mushrooms...not the point) didn't they also sue or threaten to sue the creator(s?) of Great Gina Sisters on the Amiga for ripping of Mario... they should have let it go, after-all he did not reverse engineer the code from a cartridge and I seem to remember a VBA hack that let you play Sonic The Hedgehog which was a rip from a cartridge and not getting too upset about it.:~
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of course they should. it's their game. aggressive? imagine you're a professional programmer. one day you discover that someone has produced a knock-off of one of your best selling titles and made it available for free. you might think the person who blatantly ripped you off was the aggressive one.
I am a professional programmer, I understand your point and agree with you, I'd be very annoyed but the situation is different, the game is old and they've got a potential way of boosting their reputation or even making money from the game.
Simon Lee Shugar (Software Developer) www.simonshugar.co.uk "If something goes by a false name, would it mean that thing is fake? False by nature?" By Gilbert Durandil
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Chris Losinger wrote:
has produced a knock-off of one of your best selling titles
Question for you... How much money is Nintendo currently making off of selling a 28 year old game...? :doh: Everyone that is playing that game online has most likely owned that game in one form or another, whether it was the original NES version, or one of the Gameboy remakes, or the Wii Virtual Console. What is the harm in letting someone that has already bought the game (at least once) play it on a medium that you do not offer it on?
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
Colin Mullikin wrote:
How much money is Nintendo currently making off of selling a 28 year old game...?
they continue to re-release it for new platforms, all the time[^]. it's not a dead product. Nintendo is still selling copies.
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I am a professional programmer, I understand your point and agree with you, I'd be very annoyed but the situation is different, the game is old and they've got a potential way of boosting their reputation or even making money from the game.
Simon Lee Shugar (Software Developer) www.simonshugar.co.uk "If something goes by a false name, would it mean that thing is fake? False by nature?" By Gilbert Durandil
Simon Lee Shugar wrote:
the game is old and they've got a potential way of boosting their reputation or even making money from the game.
they are still making money from it. they do ports and re-releases of it for every platform they create.
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Nintendo says Super Mario in-browser game 'illegal' Super Mario Brothers was first copyrighted in 1985 Continue reading the main story Related Stories How Nintendo pioneer changed gaming A browser-based re-creation of the popular Super Mario Brothers console game has fallen foul of Nintendo's copyright lawyers,
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24612069[^] Should Nintendo be aggressively crushing this boy and the online browser version of the game or should they give him a reasonable offer, buy the game off him and maybe win some customer loyalty points? Simply crushing the game will make fans of the series turn on Nintendo, maybe they're missing a trick here? Nintendo as many might know haven't been doing well recently, the WII U being a massive flop. "Earlier this year Nintendo stopped people posting footage of their games on YouTube." Which in my opinion is one of the worst decisions a gaming company could make, people watch these games on YouTube, watch the "Let's Play" and are encouraged to play the game themselves, it's free, positive marketing!
Simon Lee Shugar (Software Developer) www.simonshugar.co.uk "If something goes by a false name, would it mean that thing is fake? False by nature?" By Gilbert Durandil
28 years after first release... 10 years after re-release... The funny thing that the browser based remake has a 1985 Nintendo copyright on it... It's true that the game belongs to Nintendo, but... ...Josh Goldberg doesn't made it for money (and I believe he didn't got any), so Nintendo's attempt to make money out of it (Nintendo's sales of Super Mario is close to zero, as you can get a used copy from $9 without paying a cent to Nintendo) is looks bad...
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is (V).
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Nintendo says Super Mario in-browser game 'illegal' Super Mario Brothers was first copyrighted in 1985 Continue reading the main story Related Stories How Nintendo pioneer changed gaming A browser-based re-creation of the popular Super Mario Brothers console game has fallen foul of Nintendo's copyright lawyers,
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24612069[^] Should Nintendo be aggressively crushing this boy and the online browser version of the game or should they give him a reasonable offer, buy the game off him and maybe win some customer loyalty points? Simply crushing the game will make fans of the series turn on Nintendo, maybe they're missing a trick here? Nintendo as many might know haven't been doing well recently, the WII U being a massive flop. "Earlier this year Nintendo stopped people posting footage of their games on YouTube." Which in my opinion is one of the worst decisions a gaming company could make, people watch these games on YouTube, watch the "Let's Play" and are encouraged to play the game themselves, it's free, positive marketing!
Simon Lee Shugar (Software Developer) www.simonshugar.co.uk "If something goes by a false name, would it mean that thing is fake? False by nature?" By Gilbert Durandil
Paulo makes some good points. To build on them, if Nintendo doesn't protect their copyright, they will lose it. Another consideration is that if the game doesn't work well, it will reflect badly on Nintendo, not on the people who wrote it. This is multiplied by magnitudes if it's related to serious problems, like becoming a malware vector. (Do note that Nintendo has always been extremely protective of its IP and brand, so this is nothing new and is quite mild by comparison of other actions the company has taken. From what I've observed, nothing seems to make Nintendo fans turn on their master, which is both remarkable and sad.)
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Nintendo says Super Mario in-browser game 'illegal' Super Mario Brothers was first copyrighted in 1985 Continue reading the main story Related Stories How Nintendo pioneer changed gaming A browser-based re-creation of the popular Super Mario Brothers console game has fallen foul of Nintendo's copyright lawyers,
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24612069[^] Should Nintendo be aggressively crushing this boy and the online browser version of the game or should they give him a reasonable offer, buy the game off him and maybe win some customer loyalty points? Simply crushing the game will make fans of the series turn on Nintendo, maybe they're missing a trick here? Nintendo as many might know haven't been doing well recently, the WII U being a massive flop. "Earlier this year Nintendo stopped people posting footage of their games on YouTube." Which in my opinion is one of the worst decisions a gaming company could make, people watch these games on YouTube, watch the "Let's Play" and are encouraged to play the game themselves, it's free, positive marketing!
Simon Lee Shugar (Software Developer) www.simonshugar.co.uk "If something goes by a false name, would it mean that thing is fake? False by nature?" By Gilbert Durandil
If you'd like to see development on Full Screen Mario continue, why not pitch in?
[Donate]Perhaps the fact that he is asking for donations to continue development of a game is clearly an infringement on their copy-write has something to do their actions. If he had put it out there as a demo of "hey world, see what cool things I can do in HTML5" without the hint that he intends to be compensated for it some manner, Nintendo's response may have been "hey dude, not cool that you used our IP without permission, but perhaps you would like to work for us". [edit] corrected typo.
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does Nintendo still own the rights to the game? yes. end of story.
Could it be considered a "Fair use" ?
I'd rather be phishing!
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Could it be considered a "Fair use" ?
I'd rather be phishing!
i'm not a lawyer, but i doubt it. it's not a parody, it's not an academic study, it's not for his own personal use, etc.. if he had kept it small, maybe he could claim it was a demo of the technology, but he duplicated all the original levels. and he made it public, so it directly competes with Nintendo's version (even if he's not making money directly from it).
