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  • C Christopher Duncan

    I've been hacking my way through CSS for years, just dealing with whatever the problem at hand was and moving on, so I wanted to go back to basics. Made it through this in one day and found it nicely done. CSS3: The Missing Manual[^] (David Sawyer McFarland). I bought it because it wasn't CSS3 specific. It covers CSS in general, breaks out CSS3 and HTML5 so you can easily skip past if you're not supporting them, and has a nice organization & flow to it. I don't know the guy, but I've slogged through many a geek book that ended up being 30 pages of information, jam packed into a 500 page tome (tech books are typically sold by the pound). When I bump into one that's clean and well written, I figure I should share it with the rest of the class.

    Christopher Duncan Author of Unite the Tribes: Leadership Skills for Technology Managers (2nd ed, just released) Have Fun, Get Paid: How to Make a Living With Your Creativity (Due Nov 2013) The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World

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    svella
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    My problem with most computer books is they spend way too much time hyping the topic and assuming you are a moron, though I have found most O'Reilly books pretty good in general, with the Nutshell series being especially so.

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      My problem with most computer books is they spend way too much time hyping the topic and assuming you are a moron, though I have found most O'Reilly books pretty good in general, with the Nutshell series being especially so.

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      Christopher Duncan
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      Nutshell books are consistently good and it seems like that's the case with the missing manual series as well. I just bought the worst tech book I've ever purchased in this batch as well, an html book that I thought was going to cover basics for techies from looking at the overview. Instead, it has lots of puppies and cutesy images for the "I know you think computers are scary, but here's how to make a web page" crowd. Makes me appreciate O'Reilly ever so much more.

      Christopher Duncan Author of Unite the Tribes: Leadership Skills for Technology Managers (2nd ed, just released) Have Fun, Get Paid: How to Make a Living With Your Creativity (Due Nov 2013) The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World

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      • C Christopher Duncan

        I've been hacking my way through CSS for years, just dealing with whatever the problem at hand was and moving on, so I wanted to go back to basics. Made it through this in one day and found it nicely done. CSS3: The Missing Manual[^] (David Sawyer McFarland). I bought it because it wasn't CSS3 specific. It covers CSS in general, breaks out CSS3 and HTML5 so you can easily skip past if you're not supporting them, and has a nice organization & flow to it. I don't know the guy, but I've slogged through many a geek book that ended up being 30 pages of information, jam packed into a 500 page tome (tech books are typically sold by the pound). When I bump into one that's clean and well written, I figure I should share it with the rest of the class.

        Christopher Duncan Author of Unite the Tribes: Leadership Skills for Technology Managers (2nd ed, just released) Have Fun, Get Paid: How to Make a Living With Your Creativity (Due Nov 2013) The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World

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        Sharon Freas
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        His earlier book was great. I'll have to pick up the new version!

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        • C Christopher Duncan

          Yeah, I can dig it. That's why I've had my nose buried in books for MVC, JQuery, CSS, etc. the past couple of weeks. After so many years in this business, it's kinda nice to start out knowing nothing, ain't it? :)

          Christopher Duncan Author of Unite the Tribes: Leadership Skills for Technology Managers (2nd ed, just released) Have Fun, Get Paid: How to Make a Living With Your Creativity (Due Nov 2013) The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World

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          Marc Clifton
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          Christopher Duncan wrote:

          it's kinda nice to start out knowing nothing, ain't it?

          To some extent. Unfortunately, my entry into this has been to work with other people's code in fairly large applications, which means walking into poorly designed and poorly documented vats of spaghetti code. One of the projects (a Ruby on Rails project) added the additional complexity layers of Slim (actually a very nice way of working with HTML and metadata) and SASS (actually also a very nice way of working with CSS.) It's been an incredibly frustrating experience. On the other hand, I've started writing a RoR site for navigating SQL Server databases, I call it the "Spider UI", and decided to take on SASS and SLIM on my own. What I discovered is that it is CRITICAL to explain the intention behind the markup and the CSS. I'll give you an example: SLIM (slimmed down HTML):

          - # table navigation
          .navigation
          fieldset
          legend Navigation:
          br
          = f.submit("Show All Records", name: 'navigate_show_all')
          br
          - # Separate div because 'Go' buttons are left padded.
          .nav_options
          br Navigate to parent:
          = select_tag "cbParents", options_from_collection_for_select(@parent_tables, 'id', 'name')
          = f.submit("Go", name: 'navigate_to_parent')
          br Navigate to child:
          = select_tag "cbChildren", options_from_collection_for_select(@child_tables, 'id', 'name')
          = f.submit("Go", name: 'navigate_to_child')

          SASS:

          .navigation
          float: left
          width: 200px
          height: 600px
          padding-top: 23px
          padding-left: 20px
          fieldset
          width: 240px
          height: 592px
          /* Separate div because 'Go' buttons are left padded. */
          .nav_options
          select
          width: 80%
          margin-bottom: 15px
          input
          margin-left: 5px

          Notice that I put in a comment: /* Separate div because 'Go' buttons are left padded. */ in both to explain why I have a separate div. It's stuff like that that drives me nuts when taking on existing web-apps and there's absolutely no comments to convey the intention of the markup. Another thing that has made working with legacy code complicated is the arcane and idiomatic usage of Ruby. For example, tell me what this does:

          Hash[keys.zip values]

          You probably have no clue, and neither would I. Now, tell me what this does:

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          • C Christopher Duncan

            I've been hacking my way through CSS for years, just dealing with whatever the problem at hand was and moving on, so I wanted to go back to basics. Made it through this in one day and found it nicely done. CSS3: The Missing Manual[^] (David Sawyer McFarland). I bought it because it wasn't CSS3 specific. It covers CSS in general, breaks out CSS3 and HTML5 so you can easily skip past if you're not supporting them, and has a nice organization & flow to it. I don't know the guy, but I've slogged through many a geek book that ended up being 30 pages of information, jam packed into a 500 page tome (tech books are typically sold by the pound). When I bump into one that's clean and well written, I figure I should share it with the rest of the class.

            Christopher Duncan Author of Unite the Tribes: Leadership Skills for Technology Managers (2nd ed, just released) Have Fun, Get Paid: How to Make a Living With Your Creativity (Due Nov 2013) The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World

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            Too bad it's not on Books24x7.

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              Too bad it's not on Books24x7.

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              Christopher Duncan
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              If you prefer eBooks you can always just buy the Kindle version. That's the version I bought. You don't have to own the device. The Kindle reader software is available free for pretty much every computer, tablet and smart phone out there.

              Christopher Duncan Author of Unite the Tribes: Leadership Skills for Technology Managers (2nd ed, just released) Have Fun, Get Paid: How to Make a Living With Your Creativity (Due Nov 2013) The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World

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                If you prefer eBooks you can always just buy the Kindle version. That's the version I bought. You don't have to own the device. The Kindle reader software is available free for pretty much every computer, tablet and smart phone out there.

                Christopher Duncan Author of Unite the Tribes: Leadership Skills for Technology Managers (2nd ed, just released) Have Fun, Get Paid: How to Make a Living With Your Creativity (Due Nov 2013) The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World

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                RefugeeFromSlashDot
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                This is true, but my employer pays for everyone to have a books24x7 subscription, so I was hoping to be able to read it at no cost to me.

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                  This is true, but my employer pays for everyone to have a books24x7 subscription, so I was hoping to be able to read it at no cost to me.

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                  Christopher Duncan
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                  Hey, if you can get someone else to pony up for your tech books that's an excellent gig. That said, if you do end up adding it to your own collection, it's fifteen bucks well spent. I wouldn't recommend it if you're already strong in CSS and just want the CSS3 stuff as that's a very small portion of the book, but if like me you want to get a refresher on the basics, it's a solid read.

                  Christopher Duncan Author of Unite the Tribes: Leadership Skills for Technology Managers (2nd ed, just released) Have Fun, Get Paid: How to Make a Living With Your Creativity (Due Nov 2013) The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World

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                  • M Marc Clifton

                    Christopher Duncan wrote:

                    it's kinda nice to start out knowing nothing, ain't it?

                    To some extent. Unfortunately, my entry into this has been to work with other people's code in fairly large applications, which means walking into poorly designed and poorly documented vats of spaghetti code. One of the projects (a Ruby on Rails project) added the additional complexity layers of Slim (actually a very nice way of working with HTML and metadata) and SASS (actually also a very nice way of working with CSS.) It's been an incredibly frustrating experience. On the other hand, I've started writing a RoR site for navigating SQL Server databases, I call it the "Spider UI", and decided to take on SASS and SLIM on my own. What I discovered is that it is CRITICAL to explain the intention behind the markup and the CSS. I'll give you an example: SLIM (slimmed down HTML):

                    - # table navigation
                    .navigation
                    fieldset
                    legend Navigation:
                    br
                    = f.submit("Show All Records", name: 'navigate_show_all')
                    br
                    - # Separate div because 'Go' buttons are left padded.
                    .nav_options
                    br Navigate to parent:
                    = select_tag "cbParents", options_from_collection_for_select(@parent_tables, 'id', 'name')
                    = f.submit("Go", name: 'navigate_to_parent')
                    br Navigate to child:
                    = select_tag "cbChildren", options_from_collection_for_select(@child_tables, 'id', 'name')
                    = f.submit("Go", name: 'navigate_to_child')

                    SASS:

                    .navigation
                    float: left
                    width: 200px
                    height: 600px
                    padding-top: 23px
                    padding-left: 20px
                    fieldset
                    width: 240px
                    height: 592px
                    /* Separate div because 'Go' buttons are left padded. */
                    .nav_options
                    select
                    width: 80%
                    margin-bottom: 15px
                    input
                    margin-left: 5px

                    Notice that I put in a comment: /* Separate div because 'Go' buttons are left padded. */ in both to explain why I have a separate div. It's stuff like that that drives me nuts when taking on existing web-apps and there's absolutely no comments to convey the intention of the markup. Another thing that has made working with legacy code complicated is the arcane and idiomatic usage of Ruby. For example, tell me what this does:

                    Hash[keys.zip values]

                    You probably have no clue, and neither would I. Now, tell me what this does:

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                    Christopher Duncan
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                    Marc Clifton wrote:

                    For example, tell me what this does:

                    I believe in some states it gives you legal grounds for homicide. This is one of the reasons I prefer desktop or system programming to web development, even though I do mostly the latter these days. There's no reason you can't write pro quality code, but it's very common to see amateurish stuff in client side markup and scripting. Almost a web tradition. I guess because it was easy for people to fire up Front Page, go into the html to add a "blink" attribute and then say, "Look, mommy, I'm a programmer!". Don't get me wrong, I've seen plenty of crappy application code too, but the guys who come up via the traditional route tend to have a lot more discipline and, in my opinion, professionalism. They've also lived long enough to know what happens to guys who write code like that.

                    Marc Clifton wrote:

                    (yet another lengthy reply to Christopher - what is it about your posts that get me going???)

                    Probably because we've both been through the wars. :-D

                    Christopher Duncan Author of Unite the Tribes: Leadership Skills for Technology Managers (2nd ed, just released) Have Fun, Get Paid: How to Make a Living With Your Creativity (Due Nov 2013) The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World

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                    • C Christopher Duncan

                      Hey, if you can get someone else to pony up for your tech books that's an excellent gig. That said, if you do end up adding it to your own collection, it's fifteen bucks well spent. I wouldn't recommend it if you're already strong in CSS and just want the CSS3 stuff as that's a very small portion of the book, but if like me you want to get a refresher on the basics, it's a solid read.

                      Christopher Duncan Author of Unite the Tribes: Leadership Skills for Technology Managers (2nd ed, just released) Have Fun, Get Paid: How to Make a Living With Your Creativity (Due Nov 2013) The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World

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                      RefugeeFromSlashDot
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                      I do web UI stuff so infrequently that it sounds like a good book. Thanks for the recommendation.

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                      • R RefugeeFromSlashDot

                        I do web UI stuff so infrequently that it sounds like a good book. Thanks for the recommendation.

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                        Christopher Duncan
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                        Hope you enjoy it, man.

                        Christopher Duncan Author of Unite the Tribes: Leadership Skills for Technology Managers (2nd ed, just released) Have Fun, Get Paid: How to Make a Living With Your Creativity (Due Nov 2013) The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World

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                        • C Christopher Duncan

                          Yeah, I started out with Borland's Turbo C, but these days it's all about the web. It's a crappy development environment, but at least you don't have all the install issues we used to fight.

                          Christopher Duncan Author of Unite the Tribes: Leadership Skills for Technology Managers (2nd ed, just released) Have Fun, Get Paid: How to Make a Living With Your Creativity (Due Nov 2013) The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World

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                          mikepwilson
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                          heh. To be honest I'll take 'em.

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