student hindering my education (rant)
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A little rant against my school's policy on failing students (and pairing them with good ones). I'm currently studying software engineering, I'm in my second year, and now we've got to do a project. There's nothing wrong with the project itself but there is with the person I'm doing the project with. The programming language is Java, which we learned in our first year, and he failed his exams twice. You're allowed to fail for a few subjects if you pass them in your second year and he's doing them at the end of the second year. This is my problem. I have to complete a project with a team member that lacks the necessary skills. He's not great with UML (the second thing he failed for) and he's dyslexic which means I can't put him on documentation duty. The teacher (which is supposed to guide us)a said I'll just have to teach him because such situations also happen in 'real life'. Isn't teaching their job? Nonetheless, I have tried to take his advice but I can't get my team mate to understand OOP concepts. This isn't the first time I've been in this situation but I do want it to be the last. So, what should I do? Ask another teacher's opinion? Make the project alone and hope for the best?
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A little rant against my school's policy on failing students (and pairing them with good ones). I'm currently studying software engineering, I'm in my second year, and now we've got to do a project. There's nothing wrong with the project itself but there is with the person I'm doing the project with. The programming language is Java, which we learned in our first year, and he failed his exams twice. You're allowed to fail for a few subjects if you pass them in your second year and he's doing them at the end of the second year. This is my problem. I have to complete a project with a team member that lacks the necessary skills. He's not great with UML (the second thing he failed for) and he's dyslexic which means I can't put him on documentation duty. The teacher (which is supposed to guide us)a said I'll just have to teach him because such situations also happen in 'real life'. Isn't teaching their job? Nonetheless, I have tried to take his advice but I can't get my team mate to understand OOP concepts. This isn't the first time I've been in this situation but I do want it to be the last. So, what should I do? Ask another teacher's opinion? Make the project alone and hope for the best?
nbgangsta wrote:
The teacher (which is supposed to guide us)a said I'll just have to teach him because such situations also happen in 'real life'.
If you turn in a passing project and this guy gets credit the work force gets another dope with a degree. Maybe you should find a different school - or drop the class and take it again somewhere else. It doesn't sound like a school interested in excellence.
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A little rant against my school's policy on failing students (and pairing them with good ones). I'm currently studying software engineering, I'm in my second year, and now we've got to do a project. There's nothing wrong with the project itself but there is with the person I'm doing the project with. The programming language is Java, which we learned in our first year, and he failed his exams twice. You're allowed to fail for a few subjects if you pass them in your second year and he's doing them at the end of the second year. This is my problem. I have to complete a project with a team member that lacks the necessary skills. He's not great with UML (the second thing he failed for) and he's dyslexic which means I can't put him on documentation duty. The teacher (which is supposed to guide us)a said I'll just have to teach him because such situations also happen in 'real life'. Isn't teaching their job? Nonetheless, I have tried to take his advice but I can't get my team mate to understand OOP concepts. This isn't the first time I've been in this situation but I do want it to be the last. So, what should I do? Ask another teacher's opinion? Make the project alone and hope for the best?
I would use the term "F*ck Him". Do it yourself and let him sink or swim on his own. It is not your fault he is dyslexic, and you are not a qualified teacher. If he was too lazy or too thick to pass after the first attempt then that is his problem not yours.
--------------------------------- Obscurum per obscurius. Ad astra per alas porci. Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.
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nbgangsta wrote:
The teacher (which is supposed to guide us)a said I'll just have to teach him because such situations also happen in 'real life'.
If you turn in a passing project and this guy gets credit the work force gets another dope with a degree. Maybe you should find a different school - or drop the class and take it again somewhere else. It doesn't sound like a school interested in excellence.
You're passing judgment on the school based on one instructor? I ran the Computer Science department at a local private college for 2 years, and I had 14 instructors. Some were good, some were not. This could very well be an issue with the instructor. To recommend that he change schools because of one issue seems a bit drastic.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
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A little rant against my school's policy on failing students (and pairing them with good ones). I'm currently studying software engineering, I'm in my second year, and now we've got to do a project. There's nothing wrong with the project itself but there is with the person I'm doing the project with. The programming language is Java, which we learned in our first year, and he failed his exams twice. You're allowed to fail for a few subjects if you pass them in your second year and he's doing them at the end of the second year. This is my problem. I have to complete a project with a team member that lacks the necessary skills. He's not great with UML (the second thing he failed for) and he's dyslexic which means I can't put him on documentation duty. The teacher (which is supposed to guide us)a said I'll just have to teach him because such situations also happen in 'real life'. Isn't teaching their job? Nonetheless, I have tried to take his advice but I can't get my team mate to understand OOP concepts. This isn't the first time I've been in this situation but I do want it to be the last. So, what should I do? Ask another teacher's opinion? Make the project alone and hope for the best?
Do it all yourself and at the viva let him answer the questions - you will get the credit and he will get to look like an arse...
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― Christopher Hitchens
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A little rant against my school's policy on failing students (and pairing them with good ones). I'm currently studying software engineering, I'm in my second year, and now we've got to do a project. There's nothing wrong with the project itself but there is with the person I'm doing the project with. The programming language is Java, which we learned in our first year, and he failed his exams twice. You're allowed to fail for a few subjects if you pass them in your second year and he's doing them at the end of the second year. This is my problem. I have to complete a project with a team member that lacks the necessary skills. He's not great with UML (the second thing he failed for) and he's dyslexic which means I can't put him on documentation duty. The teacher (which is supposed to guide us)a said I'll just have to teach him because such situations also happen in 'real life'. Isn't teaching their job? Nonetheless, I have tried to take his advice but I can't get my team mate to understand OOP concepts. This isn't the first time I've been in this situation but I do want it to be the last. So, what should I do? Ask another teacher's opinion? Make the project alone and hope for the best?
Or, you could try to teach him. It's surprising what you can learn by teaching people, particularly about a subject you thought you knew well. In a way, it's a compliment: the teacher is saying "I think you are good enough to do this" In a way he is right: You do meet this in the real world, and if you can't cope with it there it's a lot more expensive for you than finding it out now. In the real world, you could be saddled with a waste of oxygen for ten years - and have to do his work as well as your own...
The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger. English doesn't borrow from other languages. English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.
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A little rant against my school's policy on failing students (and pairing them with good ones). I'm currently studying software engineering, I'm in my second year, and now we've got to do a project. There's nothing wrong with the project itself but there is with the person I'm doing the project with. The programming language is Java, which we learned in our first year, and he failed his exams twice. You're allowed to fail for a few subjects if you pass them in your second year and he's doing them at the end of the second year. This is my problem. I have to complete a project with a team member that lacks the necessary skills. He's not great with UML (the second thing he failed for) and he's dyslexic which means I can't put him on documentation duty. The teacher (which is supposed to guide us)a said I'll just have to teach him because such situations also happen in 'real life'. Isn't teaching their job? Nonetheless, I have tried to take his advice but I can't get my team mate to understand OOP concepts. This isn't the first time I've been in this situation but I do want it to be the last. So, what should I do? Ask another teacher's opinion? Make the project alone and hope for the best?
Having taught college, I recommend that you make one more attempt to talk to the instructor. Tell him that you have made every effort to help this other student, but it's not working. If you don't get results, then go speak to the instructor's boss, typically the head instructor or Dean of Students.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
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A little rant against my school's policy on failing students (and pairing them with good ones). I'm currently studying software engineering, I'm in my second year, and now we've got to do a project. There's nothing wrong with the project itself but there is with the person I'm doing the project with. The programming language is Java, which we learned in our first year, and he failed his exams twice. You're allowed to fail for a few subjects if you pass them in your second year and he's doing them at the end of the second year. This is my problem. I have to complete a project with a team member that lacks the necessary skills. He's not great with UML (the second thing he failed for) and he's dyslexic which means I can't put him on documentation duty. The teacher (which is supposed to guide us)a said I'll just have to teach him because such situations also happen in 'real life'. Isn't teaching their job? Nonetheless, I have tried to take his advice but I can't get my team mate to understand OOP concepts. This isn't the first time I've been in this situation but I do want it to be the last. So, what should I do? Ask another teacher's opinion? Make the project alone and hope for the best?
Welcome to the real world. :rolleyes: It's not going to get any better after you graduate and get a job. :sigh:
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Or, you could try to teach him. It's surprising what you can learn by teaching people, particularly about a subject you thought you knew well. In a way, it's a compliment: the teacher is saying "I think you are good enough to do this" In a way he is right: You do meet this in the real world, and if you can't cope with it there it's a lot more expensive for you than finding it out now. In the real world, you could be saddled with a waste of oxygen for ten years - and have to do his work as well as your own...
The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger. English doesn't borrow from other languages. English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.
OriginalGriff wrote:
In the real world, you could be saddled with a waste of oxygen for ten years - and have to do his work as well as your own...
Sounds like you speak from experience. Who got saddled with you? ;P
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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Or, you could try to teach him. It's surprising what you can learn by teaching people, particularly about a subject you thought you knew well. In a way, it's a compliment: the teacher is saying "I think you are good enough to do this" In a way he is right: You do meet this in the real world, and if you can't cope with it there it's a lot more expensive for you than finding it out now. In the real world, you could be saddled with a waste of oxygen for ten years - and have to do his work as well as your own...
The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger. English doesn't borrow from other languages. English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.
You're right, I could take it as a compliment... if he knew me at all (he doesn't know my background/skill). In the real life scenario, can't you 'expose' him to your boss by performing code review with some of your peers (assuming he's not the only peer you have)? In my situation, that would be showing the line where he tries to cast an int to a string when he should be using toString().
The first rule of CListCtrl is you do not talk about CListCtrl - kornman
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You're right, I could take it as a compliment... if he knew me at all (he doesn't know my background/skill). In the real life scenario, can't you 'expose' him to your boss by performing code review with some of your peers (assuming he's not the only peer you have)? In my situation, that would be showing the line where he tries to cast an int to a string when he should be using toString().
The first rule of CListCtrl is you do not talk about CListCtrl - kornman
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You're passing judgment on the school based on one instructor? I ran the Computer Science department at a local private college for 2 years, and I had 14 instructors. Some were good, some were not. This could very well be an issue with the instructor. To recommend that he change schools because of one issue seems a bit drastic.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
The instructions from the instructor are so bad that I've a hard time accepting the idea that someone can pass off that advice without it being a policy of some sort. Sure, take it to the dean and if he gives the same "it's the real world" advice take your money elsewhere - because, that too happens in the real world.
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The instructions from the instructor are so bad that I've a hard time accepting the idea that someone can pass off that advice without it being a policy of some sort. Sure, take it to the dean and if he gives the same "it's the real world" advice take your money elsewhere - because, that too happens in the real world.
The difference is that he's PAYING for this education. The school is a business, and he's the customer. Deal with it like any other business complaint - take it to management.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
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A little rant against my school's policy on failing students (and pairing them with good ones). I'm currently studying software engineering, I'm in my second year, and now we've got to do a project. There's nothing wrong with the project itself but there is with the person I'm doing the project with. The programming language is Java, which we learned in our first year, and he failed his exams twice. You're allowed to fail for a few subjects if you pass them in your second year and he's doing them at the end of the second year. This is my problem. I have to complete a project with a team member that lacks the necessary skills. He's not great with UML (the second thing he failed for) and he's dyslexic which means I can't put him on documentation duty. The teacher (which is supposed to guide us)a said I'll just have to teach him because such situations also happen in 'real life'. Isn't teaching their job? Nonetheless, I have tried to take his advice but I can't get my team mate to understand OOP concepts. This isn't the first time I've been in this situation but I do want it to be the last. So, what should I do? Ask another teacher's opinion? Make the project alone and hope for the best?
nbgangsta wrote:
Nonetheless, I have tried to take his advice but I can't get my team mate to understand OOP concepts.
There's an old teacher saying, "if the learner hasn't learnt, the teacher hasn't taught". It could be that you don't understand OOP well enough to teach it - and this exercise is a great way for you to solidify this knowledge yourself.
Chill _Maxxx_
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A little rant against my school's policy on failing students (and pairing them with good ones). I'm currently studying software engineering, I'm in my second year, and now we've got to do a project. There's nothing wrong with the project itself but there is with the person I'm doing the project with. The programming language is Java, which we learned in our first year, and he failed his exams twice. You're allowed to fail for a few subjects if you pass them in your second year and he's doing them at the end of the second year. This is my problem. I have to complete a project with a team member that lacks the necessary skills. He's not great with UML (the second thing he failed for) and he's dyslexic which means I can't put him on documentation duty. The teacher (which is supposed to guide us)a said I'll just have to teach him because such situations also happen in 'real life'. Isn't teaching their job? Nonetheless, I have tried to take his advice but I can't get my team mate to understand OOP concepts. This isn't the first time I've been in this situation but I do want it to be the last. So, what should I do? Ask another teacher's opinion? Make the project alone and hope for the best?
nbgangsta wrote:
The programming language is Java, which we learned in our first year, and he failed his exams twice.
That's just ridiculous, unless that course was somehow over a million times as hard as the one I followed back in university. My guinea pigs could pass that course.
nbgangsta wrote:
So, what should I do?
Can you afford to fail this class and re-take it? That should probably be the very last back-up plan, because it's terrible. It does have the nice effect of not letting that sucker that you got teamed with pass.
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Having taught college, I recommend that you make one more attempt to talk to the instructor. Tell him that you have made every effort to help this other student, but it's not working. If you don't get results, then go speak to the instructor's boss, typically the head instructor or Dean of Students.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
Good advice. :thumbsup: /ravi
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OriginalGriff wrote:
In the real world, you could be saddled with a waste of oxygen for ten years - and have to do his work as well as your own...
Sounds like you speak from experience. Who got saddled with you? ;P
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
All of them did, obviously! ;)
The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger. English doesn't borrow from other languages. English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.
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The dream's of innocence, how cute. In the real world, that dumb-feck is there because he's the boss's brother/son/mate and you've gotta man up, grow a pair and carry the retardon.
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The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger. English doesn't borrow from other languages. English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.
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nbgangsta wrote:
Nonetheless, I have tried to take his advice but I can't get my team mate to understand OOP concepts.
There's an old teacher saying, "if the learner hasn't learnt, the teacher hasn't taught". It could be that you don't understand OOP well enough to teach it - and this exercise is a great way for you to solidify this knowledge yourself.
Chill _Maxxx_
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easierThere is a lot of truth in that. I can do OOP but I can't always explain it to someone who barely knows the subject. Teaching is the best way to understand the matter, that much is true, but I don't have the time to do it. This gets frustrating when the person doesn't see the difference between casting to a string and use the toString() method (which is the case). That difference tells me that almost nothing of the classes he's taken have stuck with him.
The first rule of CListCtrl is you do not talk about CListCtrl - kornman
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A little rant against my school's policy on failing students (and pairing them with good ones). I'm currently studying software engineering, I'm in my second year, and now we've got to do a project. There's nothing wrong with the project itself but there is with the person I'm doing the project with. The programming language is Java, which we learned in our first year, and he failed his exams twice. You're allowed to fail for a few subjects if you pass them in your second year and he's doing them at the end of the second year. This is my problem. I have to complete a project with a team member that lacks the necessary skills. He's not great with UML (the second thing he failed for) and he's dyslexic which means I can't put him on documentation duty. The teacher (which is supposed to guide us)a said I'll just have to teach him because such situations also happen in 'real life'. Isn't teaching their job? Nonetheless, I have tried to take his advice but I can't get my team mate to understand OOP concepts. This isn't the first time I've been in this situation but I do want it to be the last. So, what should I do? Ask another teacher's opinion? Make the project alone and hope for the best?
Just do the work your self, in the end of the day it's your grades that will suffer if you don't get it done. What's up with your user name? Are you in a gang?
