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  • R realJSOP

    My job is in peril of being out-sourced to an off-shore contractor (I'll let you make any assumptions you'd like about what that means). I'm considering a change in career path because American companies don't want to spend the money for American programmers. They'd rather hire off-shore personnel because they don't have to pay for health care, or unemployment taxes, or any other number of back-flips they're forced to perform by US government. It's getting harder and harder to be a citizen-developer in this country...

    ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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    You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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    When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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    Lost User
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    We write the code that accountants use and it's time to fight back. #1: Add some code to your accountant's computer that automatically downloads child porn and then reports the computer to the FBI. #2: Intercept all accountant email and edit where appropriate. I think it's time we start putting those mother &#$@! out on the street. Knowledge is power - and we control the knowledge. :-D

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    • R realJSOP

      My job is in peril of being out-sourced to an off-shore contractor (I'll let you make any assumptions you'd like about what that means). I'm considering a change in career path because American companies don't want to spend the money for American programmers. They'd rather hire off-shore personnel because they don't have to pay for health care, or unemployment taxes, or any other number of back-flips they're forced to perform by US government. It's getting harder and harder to be a citizen-developer in this country...

      ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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      You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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      When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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      Lost User
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      Sometimes I get contacted about jobs like: Hiring senior architect, 4 mths contract and then in the job description something like: communicating with offshore teams and conducting code reviews :) I always respond with: "What do you think the salary for this should look like?"

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      • T Tim Carmichael

        Testing 1 2 ... uh... 7? wrote:

        The U.S. government hired a Candanian company to put together a large part of Healthcare.gov

        Correction... the U.S. government hired an American branch of a Canadian based company. If you search back in the Lounge, you will see that there are strict requirements placed on personnel at these entities in regards to whom they are allowed to communicate with.

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        Yes Mr. Snowden

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        • R realJSOP

          My job is in peril of being out-sourced to an off-shore contractor (I'll let you make any assumptions you'd like about what that means). I'm considering a change in career path because American companies don't want to spend the money for American programmers. They'd rather hire off-shore personnel because they don't have to pay for health care, or unemployment taxes, or any other number of back-flips they're forced to perform by US government. It's getting harder and harder to be a citizen-developer in this country...

          ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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          You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
          -----
          When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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          How about a Job Like this. They have openings all over the word at times. http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ntdebugging/archive/2013/10/30/we-are-hiring-windows-escalation-engineers-in-charlotte-and-issaquah.aspx[^]

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          • R realJSOP

            My job is in peril of being out-sourced to an off-shore contractor (I'll let you make any assumptions you'd like about what that means). I'm considering a change in career path because American companies don't want to spend the money for American programmers. They'd rather hire off-shore personnel because they don't have to pay for health care, or unemployment taxes, or any other number of back-flips they're forced to perform by US government. It's getting harder and harder to be a citizen-developer in this country...

            ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
            -----
            You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
            -----
            When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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            Here it goes up and down. Companies start of with outsourcing to (undefined) offshore countries. After a while, they step back, because mostly these offshore companies end up being "not cheaper".

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            (MQOTD Rules and previous Solutions )

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            • R realJSOP

              My job is in peril of being out-sourced to an off-shore contractor (I'll let you make any assumptions you'd like about what that means). I'm considering a change in career path because American companies don't want to spend the money for American programmers. They'd rather hire off-shore personnel because they don't have to pay for health care, or unemployment taxes, or any other number of back-flips they're forced to perform by US government. It's getting harder and harder to be a citizen-developer in this country...

              ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
              -----
              You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
              -----
              When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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              jschell
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              John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

              I'm considering a change in career path because American companies don't want to spend the money for American programmers.

              American companies don't want to spend money on anything. Probably why they do so well compared to the rest of the world, because of course the point of a company is to make money not spend it. Despite that of course they do in fact spend money.

              John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

              They'd rather hire off-shore personnel because they don't have to pay for health care, or unemployment taxes, or any other number of back-flips they're forced to perform by US government.

              That isn't true. It is just media alarmist nonsense. Most companies don't outsource. Many that do have problems with it. A few do and some even succeed. And with all things even in that there is a wide variance in that some companies out source part of the work.

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              • Mike HankeyM Mike Hankey

                Sorry to hear that John. I'm afraid it's only going to get worse when the Affordable Care Act kicks in.

                VS2010/Atmel Studio 6.1 ToDo Manager Extension The problem with the gene pool is that there is no lifeguard. -Steven Wright

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                Mike Hankey wrote:

                I'm afraid it's only going to get worse when the Affordable Care Act kicks in.

                Nonsense.

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                  Here it goes up and down. Companies start of with outsourcing to (undefined) offshore countries. After a while, they step back, because mostly these offshore companies end up being "not cheaper".

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                  (MQOTD Rules and previous Solutions )

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                  V. wrote:

                  After a while, they step back, because mostly these offshore companies end up being "not cheaper".

                  Given that successful off shoring requires very stringent process control and the ability to communicate business requirements and/or technical requirements in detail I would suspect that that lack, which almost every company fails at already, would be the cause of the failures.

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                  • J jschell

                    Mike Hankey wrote:

                    I'm afraid it's only going to get worse when the Affordable Care Act kicks in.

                    Nonsense.

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                    We'll all find out in the next couple of years won't we? I've been wrong in the past but all I can say is I'm glad I'm not a young person just starting out in life and instead a retired old man.

                    VS2010/Atmel Studio 6.1 ToDo Manager Extension The problem with the gene pool is that there is no lifeguard. -Steven Wright

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                    • J jschell

                      V. wrote:

                      After a while, they step back, because mostly these offshore companies end up being "not cheaper".

                      Given that successful off shoring requires very stringent process control and the ability to communicate business requirements and/or technical requirements in detail I would suspect that that lack, which almost every company fails at already, would be the cause of the failures.

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                      Partially yes ;-)

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