Why hate windows 8
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by removing traditional desktop, or making it a lot less accessible, m$ is basically telling us work is bad, we really should consider abandon keyboard/mouse (and our jobs as well, probably linux as well i dont see why command prompt is any less evil than keyboard/mouse) - and let the operating system take over the dirty work. Human being should just sit back and chill (ask the Saudi prince, only poor people work) - just as what they promised back in the 1970's? That computer is to alleviate human being from having to work right?
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devvvy wrote:
That computer is to alleviate human being from having to work right?
Our gov't is doing quite well at alleviating people from having to work (at the expense of those that do work, mind you.) Sadly, the deeper reality is that the computer is no longer seen as having anything to do with work. It's a vehicle for mindless info-entertainment. Look at the typical demo - see the weather, see the stock market, watch a movie, get notified instantly of farcebook and bird-shits, etc. You're right about one thing - it's all designed so that we don't work. But the motivations have nothing to do with alleviating the drudge jobs. Marc
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devvvy wrote:
That computer is to alleviate human being from having to work right?
Our gov't is doing quite well at alleviating people from having to work (at the expense of those that do work, mind you.) Sadly, the deeper reality is that the computer is no longer seen as having anything to do with work. It's a vehicle for mindless info-entertainment. Look at the typical demo - see the weather, see the stock market, watch a movie, get notified instantly of farcebook and bird-shits, etc. You're right about one thing - it's all designed so that we don't work. But the motivations have nothing to do with alleviating the drudge jobs. Marc
Marc Clifton wrote:
the deeper reality is that the computer is no longer seen as having anything to do with work. It's a vehicle for mindless info-entertainment.
sorry can't really appreciate what you're saying when i am coding past midnight fixing shit which i presume most of us here dont consider "entertainment" (but mindless yes lol)
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Marc Clifton wrote:
the deeper reality is that the computer is no longer seen as having anything to do with work. It's a vehicle for mindless info-entertainment.
sorry can't really appreciate what you're saying when i am coding past midnight fixing shit which i presume most of us here dont consider "entertainment" (but mindless yes lol)
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devvvy wrote:
which i presume most of us here dont consider "entertainment"
Oh, I agree - I think most of here do actually useful things with computers. But we're the minority, the "average consumer" probably just loves all the bling. Marc
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by removing traditional desktop, or making it a lot less accessible, m$ is basically telling us work is bad, we really should consider abandon keyboard/mouse (and our jobs as well, probably linux as well i dont see why command prompt is any less evil than keyboard/mouse) - and let the operating system take over the dirty work. Human being should just sit back and chill (ask the Saudi prince, only poor people work) - just as what they promised back in the 1970's? That computer is to alleviate human being from having to work right?
dev
I agree. absolutely. Fantastically expressed. One of my coworkers menace me with throwing the new corporate windows 8 laptop out the window, after several days on fight against it. I cowarly installed windows 7. I could imagine the novelty creators hell. One of their keyboard key is changed every hour. Remember: change is always good.
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by removing traditional desktop, or making it a lot less accessible, m$ is basically telling us work is bad, we really should consider abandon keyboard/mouse (and our jobs as well, probably linux as well i dont see why command prompt is any less evil than keyboard/mouse) - and let the operating system take over the dirty work. Human being should just sit back and chill (ask the Saudi prince, only poor people work) - just as what they promised back in the 1970's? That computer is to alleviate human being from having to work right?
dev
devvvy wrote:
That computer is to alleviate human being from having to work right?
Wrong; also a bit an unrealistic expectation. There's always someone who will have to fix the machine; and software will not clean up your muck*.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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devvvy wrote:
That computer is to alleviate human being from having to work right?
Our gov't is doing quite well at alleviating people from having to work (at the expense of those that do work, mind you.) Sadly, the deeper reality is that the computer is no longer seen as having anything to do with work. It's a vehicle for mindless info-entertainment. Look at the typical demo - see the weather, see the stock market, watch a movie, get notified instantly of farcebook and bird-shits, etc. You're right about one thing - it's all designed so that we don't work. But the motivations have nothing to do with alleviating the drudge jobs. Marc
Marc Clifton wrote:
Our gov't is doing quite well at alleviating people from having to work (at the expense of those that do work, mind you.)
It's seems like the current administration is actually promoting it!
VS2010/Atmel Studio 6.1 ToDo Manager Extension Relax...We're all crazy it's not a competition!
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by removing traditional desktop, or making it a lot less accessible, m$ is basically telling us work is bad, we really should consider abandon keyboard/mouse (and our jobs as well, probably linux as well i dont see why command prompt is any less evil than keyboard/mouse) - and let the operating system take over the dirty work. Human being should just sit back and chill (ask the Saudi prince, only poor people work) - just as what they promised back in the 1970's? That computer is to alleviate human being from having to work right?
dev
I remember complaining back in the day about moving from command line to Windows 95 and how much less productive I would be. A similar UI shift happened with Windows 8. I don't like Windows 8, but it is what came with my new work laptop. Rather than throw a fit, I went with the flow. There are things I don't like about it, but I've learned to work with it. After a week, I was fully productive again. Hogan
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Marc Clifton wrote:
Our gov't is doing quite well at alleviating people from having to work (at the expense of those that do work, mind you.)
It's seems like the current administration is actually promoting it!
VS2010/Atmel Studio 6.1 ToDo Manager Extension Relax...We're all crazy it's not a competition!
Mike Hankey wrote:
current administration is actually promoting it!
I'll believe you when: 1 - The Industrial States get back their fair share of taxes instead of subsidizing the rural states (see Moocher States). 2 - Farmers stop depending on socialist programs like government price supports and subsidies. They hate socialism, don't they?* 2a - Ranchers pay the fair going rate when they graze on federal land, not the currently severely reduced rate. 3 - The right wing stops blaming the current administration for the for fires when their darlings were the ones playing with matches Start setting a good example! Demand your senators and congressmen stop holding their hands out for a big slathering of pork. The tough words from the right about how to run the economy are all encapsulated in a single acronym "NIMBY"
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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I remember complaining back in the day about moving from command line to Windows 95 and how much less productive I would be. A similar UI shift happened with Windows 8. I don't like Windows 8, but it is what came with my new work laptop. Rather than throw a fit, I went with the flow. There are things I don't like about it, but I've learned to work with it. After a week, I was fully productive again. Hogan
snorkie wrote:
I was fully productive again.
I'll be a sport and not take advantage of that straight line opening like that. But, pretend I wrote something like 2 x 0 = 0 .
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Mike Hankey wrote:
current administration is actually promoting it!
I'll believe you when: 1 - The Industrial States get back their fair share of taxes instead of subsidizing the rural states (see Moocher States). 2 - Farmers stop depending on socialist programs like government price supports and subsidies. They hate socialism, don't they?* 2a - Ranchers pay the fair going rate when they graze on federal land, not the currently severely reduced rate. 3 - The right wing stops blaming the current administration for the for fires when their darlings were the ones playing with matches Start setting a good example! Demand your senators and congressmen stop holding their hands out for a big slathering of pork. The tough words from the right about how to run the economy are all encapsulated in a single acronym "NIMBY"
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
I'm not going to argue politics with you, I'm old and from a different mindset!
VS2010/Atmel Studio 6.1 ToDo Manager Extension Relax...We're all crazy it's not a competition!
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by removing traditional desktop, or making it a lot less accessible, m$ is basically telling us work is bad, we really should consider abandon keyboard/mouse (and our jobs as well, probably linux as well i dont see why command prompt is any less evil than keyboard/mouse) - and let the operating system take over the dirty work. Human being should just sit back and chill (ask the Saudi prince, only poor people work) - just as what they promised back in the 1970's? That computer is to alleviate human being from having to work right?
dev
There's nothing essentially wrong with operating systems that hide everything from the user, and only allow him a reduced control set -- examples are everywhere, from fruit machines to TVs to microwave ovens -- but the UI of a computer computer, the type that people use to work/code/make a living, needs to look and feel like a computer, and have a very large control set.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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one click is "a lot less accessible?" Lighten up Francis.
The trouble is that you'd need a 5-mile square monitor to have everything one baby-block click away.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I remember complaining back in the day about moving from command line to Windows 95 and how much less productive I would be. A similar UI shift happened with Windows 8. I don't like Windows 8, but it is what came with my new work laptop. Rather than throw a fit, I went with the flow. There are things I don't like about it, but I've learned to work with it. After a week, I was fully productive again. Hogan
I was completely on the other side of the fence. I greeted Win 3 and later Win 95 with utter joy. Win 'ate is a number of abstractions too far, though.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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snorkie wrote:
I was fully productive again.
I'll be a sport and not take advantage of that straight line opening like that. But, pretend I wrote something like 2 x 0 = 0 .
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Well, you know what they say. 8ers gonna 8. :)
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That made me laugh, thanks :)
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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+5 for Stripes quote. :thumbsup:
PIEBALDconsult wrote:
Stripes
One of my favorites, and I gave him a +5 for the quote as well :-D
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