Hunters explain this
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I think hunting shouldn't be about fun. It is (or at least should be) only about keeping a balance in the area where you hunt.
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There's a photo going around, http://abcnews.go.com/US/hunting-star-stirs-outrage-posting-photo-dead-lion/story?id=20911636[^], of some lady hunter smiling over a dead lion. Why do hunters feel the need to smile and take pictures? I get that it's a trophy but you used a gun. What's the big deal to get so prideful about? Yes, I know, there is technique in stalking, etc, but what kind of messed up ego do you have to have to boast about killing something with a gun? If you kill it Rambo style with a knife then OK, you have bragging rights. I don't think you should hunt at all unless for food. I just don't get it. I have a good friend who I let hunt deer on my property but he doesn't take pictures and post them and we eat the meat.
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Hunting today is a conservation practice. We have enough domestic stock that the need to hunt does not exist. For wildlife management we have two choices, either leave it alone and allow nature to come to its own equilibrium, or try to help it to a state of equilibrium that we desire. (It will never be perfect. Ever.) As society cannot live with the equilibrium that nature would try to establish (think wild coyotes, wolves, cougars, bison, prairie dogs, etc. living and hunting in your neighborhood) we do our best to control it. Our best method of doing this is to allow hunters to pay a 'tax' for permission (license) to go and kill some acceptable number of animals to try to keep everything in equilibrium. The wildlife folks work endlessly to try and predict what the animal populations will be from year to year and adjust the number of licenses to keep those numbers within acceptable levels. They do this not only for the prey animals, but for the predators. If there is a bad winter in Utah, and a large number of deer and Elk die, the predator numbers will need to be adjusted by allowing more hunting, or they will start hunting peoples pets and children as they begin to starve. If you read the article, rather than looking at a picture and getting upset, she went on a conservation hunt to remove a predator. It was a good thing for the area in the eyes and minds of those managing the animals. Long term, it will help, if they know what they are doing. (Don't judge them any more than you want them to judge you doing your job.) Personally, when I hunt I don't take or post pictures. I like to see pictures of peoples trophy animals, however. I prefer they are tastefully done without showing blood. Personally, I think she did this very well. If you have never hunted, I would say don't judge. What may appear easy to you (go shoot an animal) is far from that easy. Much like a luddite saying oh, a web page, what's the big deal, my 10 year old can build a website. It is called hunting not killing, as more times than not, you never get a chance to shoot. Here's another thought. How do you feel after finding and fixing a particularly difficult bug? If you feel good and want to share, that is how a hunter feels after a successful hunt. If it is a true trophy, they may have put in more than one season trying to get it. It might have taken hundreds of hours. Judge not and all of that. . . . TL/DR version :cool: Hunting is needed unless you want wild animals hunting in your yard or starving
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Hunting today is a conservation practice. We have enough domestic stock that the need to hunt does not exist. For wildlife management we have two choices, either leave it alone and allow nature to come to its own equilibrium, or try to help it to a state of equilibrium that we desire. (It will never be perfect. Ever.) As society cannot live with the equilibrium that nature would try to establish (think wild coyotes, wolves, cougars, bison, prairie dogs, etc. living and hunting in your neighborhood) we do our best to control it. Our best method of doing this is to allow hunters to pay a 'tax' for permission (license) to go and kill some acceptable number of animals to try to keep everything in equilibrium. The wildlife folks work endlessly to try and predict what the animal populations will be from year to year and adjust the number of licenses to keep those numbers within acceptable levels. They do this not only for the prey animals, but for the predators. If there is a bad winter in Utah, and a large number of deer and Elk die, the predator numbers will need to be adjusted by allowing more hunting, or they will start hunting peoples pets and children as they begin to starve. If you read the article, rather than looking at a picture and getting upset, she went on a conservation hunt to remove a predator. It was a good thing for the area in the eyes and minds of those managing the animals. Long term, it will help, if they know what they are doing. (Don't judge them any more than you want them to judge you doing your job.) Personally, when I hunt I don't take or post pictures. I like to see pictures of peoples trophy animals, however. I prefer they are tastefully done without showing blood. Personally, I think she did this very well. If you have never hunted, I would say don't judge. What may appear easy to you (go shoot an animal) is far from that easy. Much like a luddite saying oh, a web page, what's the big deal, my 10 year old can build a website. It is called hunting not killing, as more times than not, you never get a chance to shoot. Here's another thought. How do you feel after finding and fixing a particularly difficult bug? If you feel good and want to share, that is how a hunter feels after a successful hunt. If it is a true trophy, they may have put in more than one season trying to get it. It might have taken hundreds of hours. Judge not and all of that. . . . TL/DR version :cool: Hunting is needed unless you want wild animals hunting in your yard or starving
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she went on a conservation hunt to remove a predator.
Yes, I get that. You should watch the video and perhaps you would understand my point of view better.
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Hunting is needed unless you want wild animals hunting in your yard or starving on your streets.
In my area you can hunt deer. Thank goodness otherwise they would be wild all over. :)
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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she went on a conservation hunt to remove a predator.
Yes, I get that. You should watch the video and perhaps you would understand my point of view better.
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Hunting is needed unless you want wild animals hunting in your yard or starving on your streets.
In my area you can hunt deer. Thank goodness otherwise they would be wild all over. :)
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
RyanDev wrote:
In my area you can hunt deer. Thank goodness otherwise they would be wild all over.
How many have you hit with your car? Ever see a deer go through a plate glass window? Raccoon in your attic? Chanced by a wild turkey? :-D (By-the-way I can answer yes to all of these and more).
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RyanDev wrote:
In my area you can hunt deer. Thank goodness otherwise they would be wild all over.
How many have you hit with your car? Ever see a deer go through a plate glass window? Raccoon in your attic? Chanced by a wild turkey? :-D (By-the-way I can answer yes to all of these and more).
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Raccoon in your attic?
Are you saying people hunt racoons?
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Chanced by a wild turkey?
Ya, we had one that would wander around our house for a while. Funny though, now that we're close to Thanksgiving I haven't seen it much.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Raccoon in your attic?
Are you saying people hunt racoons?
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Chanced by a wild turkey?
Ya, we had one that would wander around our house for a while. Funny though, now that we're close to Thanksgiving I haven't seen it much.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Around here (Central Ohio) they hunt raccoon, opossum, squirrel, mink, deer, turkey... most goes on the table. There is even a way you can give your kill (mostly deer) to a homeless shelter.
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Around here (Central Ohio) they hunt raccoon, opossum, squirrel, mink, deer, turkey... most goes on the table. There is even a way you can give your kill (mostly deer) to a homeless shelter.
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opossum
Is that edible? That does not sounds good.
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squirrel
AKA roadkill. I know a guy who will get squirrel roadkill and eat it. He's still alive so it can't be too bad. :)
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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opossum
Is that edible? That does not sounds good.
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squirrel
AKA roadkill. I know a guy who will get squirrel roadkill and eat it. He's still alive so it can't be too bad. :)
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
RyanDev wrote:
Is that edible? That does not sounds good.
Never had it. Lots of grease I understand. Just thought, I included mink, I do not know if they eat them or just sell the pelt.
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she went on a conservation hunt to remove a predator.
Yes, I get that. You should watch the video and perhaps you would understand my point of view better.
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Hunting is needed unless you want wild animals hunting in your yard or starving on your streets.
In my area you can hunt deer. Thank goodness otherwise they would be wild all over. :)
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
RyanDev wrote:
Yes, I get that. You should watch the video and perhaps you would understand my point of view better.
I have watched the video. The written article also goes into how it was shot in a conservation/management area. What the video improperly juxtaposes is that lions are predicted to become extinct in the wild in the somewhat near future. This is not due to her hunting on a preserve that has limited resources, it is due to a growing population of man taking over the area the wild lions need and illegal poaching. In my opinion, bad reporting. Does she display her hunting CV online? Is she proud of it? Sure. What about yours? (CV that is.) Since her chosen 'profession' is hunting, that is what she needs to do to garner the financial backing she needs. While I don't like all of what she puts online, I just avoid it, like many parts of the Intertubes I don't like and agree with. ;)
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opossum
Is that edible? That does not sounds good.
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squirrel
AKA roadkill. I know a guy who will get squirrel roadkill and eat it. He's still alive so it can't be too bad. :)
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote:
Yes, I get that. You should watch the video and perhaps you would understand my point of view better.
I have watched the video. The written article also goes into how it was shot in a conservation/management area. What the video improperly juxtaposes is that lions are predicted to become extinct in the wild in the somewhat near future. This is not due to her hunting on a preserve that has limited resources, it is due to a growing population of man taking over the area the wild lions need and illegal poaching. In my opinion, bad reporting. Does she display her hunting CV online? Is she proud of it? Sure. What about yours? (CV that is.) Since her chosen 'profession' is hunting, that is what she needs to do to garner the financial backing she needs. While I don't like all of what she puts online, I just avoid it, like many parts of the Intertubes I don't like and agree with. ;)
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Does she display her hunting CV online? Is she proud of it? Sure. What about yours? (CV that is.)
Yes, but then again, I'm not a contract killer.
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RyanDev wrote:
Yes, but then again, I'm not a contract killer.
Do you just release those bugs back into the wild then? I'll bet they're the ones that keep finding their way into my stuff. ;P I am totally with you on it not being posted all over the web. We have that same discussion every year on a local BB. (http://www.nefga.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?11-Nebraska-Hunting-Forum[^] if it matters) Each year people start their bragging about what they've gotten and then there is a backlash. The two worst are during snow goose and carp (bow fishing) seasons as there is no limit, and people post overflowing truck beds full of dead critters. Guess it's a good thing we all have different likes, or it'd get pretty boring around here.
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There's a photo going around, http://abcnews.go.com/US/hunting-star-stirs-outrage-posting-photo-dead-lion/story?id=20911636[^], of some lady hunter smiling over a dead lion. Why do hunters feel the need to smile and take pictures? I get that it's a trophy but you used a gun. What's the big deal to get so prideful about? Yes, I know, there is technique in stalking, etc, but what kind of messed up ego do you have to have to boast about killing something with a gun? If you kill it Rambo style with a knife then OK, you have bragging rights. I don't think you should hunt at all unless for food. I just don't get it. I have a good friend who I let hunt deer on my property but he doesn't take pictures and post them and we eat the meat.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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So what? She didn't appear to do anything illegal, and was happy with the outcome. Maybe it's not for you to get.
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only about keeping a balance in the area where you hunt.
True. There's too many punk kids in my area so I'm going to go do some balancing. :)
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote:
Yes, but then again, I'm not a contract killer.
Do you just release those bugs back into the wild then? I'll bet they're the ones that keep finding their way into my stuff. ;P I am totally with you on it not being posted all over the web. We have that same discussion every year on a local BB. (http://www.nefga.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?11-Nebraska-Hunting-Forum[^] if it matters) Each year people start their bragging about what they've gotten and then there is a backlash. The two worst are during snow goose and carp (bow fishing) seasons as there is no limit, and people post overflowing truck beds full of dead critters. Guess it's a good thing we all have different likes, or it'd get pretty boring around here.
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There's a photo going around, http://abcnews.go.com/US/hunting-star-stirs-outrage-posting-photo-dead-lion/story?id=20911636[^], of some lady hunter smiling over a dead lion. Why do hunters feel the need to smile and take pictures? I get that it's a trophy but you used a gun. What's the big deal to get so prideful about? Yes, I know, there is technique in stalking, etc, but what kind of messed up ego do you have to have to boast about killing something with a gun? If you kill it Rambo style with a knife then OK, you have bragging rights. I don't think you should hunt at all unless for food. I just don't get it. I have a good friend who I let hunt deer on my property but he doesn't take pictures and post them and we eat the meat.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I don't really get it either (you can point a gun at the target, congratulations) but what I get even less is the outrage. She's been hunting large animals for years, and no one gave a shit. Suddenly it's the biggest problem since Kony.
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She's been hunting large animals for years
I would have to imagine most people are like me and had never heard of her before.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I don't really get it either (you can point a gun at the target, congratulations) but what I get even less is the outrage. She's been hunting large animals for years, and no one gave a shit. Suddenly it's the biggest problem since Kony.
harold aptroot wrote:
but what I get even less is the outrage. She's been hunting large animals for years, and no one gave a sh*t. Suddenly it's the biggest problem since Kony.
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