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  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

    Experience. It's not an exact science - it's guess work based on "how long this took me last time" plus a bit of "how accurate and complete is the spec?" with a soupcon of "what else do I have to do at the same time?" and some extra "padding time to make me look good". Occasionally there is also "How much am I being paid for this?" and "how much do I like this guy and want to do this?" Complex. So about 8.73 working days, probably.

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    Does that include tea and fag breaks?

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      Does that include tea and fag breaks?

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      Don't drink tea, don't smoke. So no. Coffee breaks are extra, natch.

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        Think of a number, add 2 and multiply by 3.

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        So based on Griff numbers: (8.73 + 2) * 3 = 32.19 :omg:

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          So based on Griff numbers: (8.73 + 2) * 3 = 32.19 :omg:

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            So based on Griff numbers: (8.73 + 2) * 3 = 32.19 :omg:

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            No, no, no! You are supposed to think of a number, not me!

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            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

              No, no, no! You are supposed to think of a number, not me!

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              Isn't it a slandered timing for writing code

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                So based on Griff numbers: (8.73 + 2) * 3 = 32.19 :omg:

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                I'm a slow coder. :sigh:

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                  Isn't it a slandered timing for writing code

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                  Nope - stealing my numbers is plagiarism, not slander!

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                  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                    Nope - stealing my numbers is plagiarism, not slander!

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                    You are joking right

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                      How do you estimate time fir writing code? If your manager ask you to give him a time for something to be done?

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                      A slightly serious answer. Split it down into easily manageable task. Estimate each task. If the estimate is less than 1/2 day, round up to 1/2 day IF the estimate is greater than 2 days, split it into smaller tasks. Add the total. Multiply by 2 if I am doing it, or three if someone else (not because I am better but because there needs to be additional time for them to interpret, and for contingency if I missed anything) Round up to the nearest week or day depending how big it is. Add a couple of days for contingency. Present the estimate. Be prepared to negotiate. Note my time as I develop against each of the tasks - so next time I will be able to estimate better.

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                        You are joking right

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                        My lawyers will explain it all to you when they arrive. Shouldn't be long now...

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                          My lawyers will explain it all to you when they arrive. Shouldn't be long now...

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                          I'm out of here bye. Will deactivate my account :~

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                            I'm out of here bye. Will deactivate my account :~

                            My Name in English[^] Translation done By OriginalGriff

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                            You fed up with the Muslim Brotherhood already? :laugh:

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                              How do you estimate time fir writing code? If your manager ask you to give him a time for something to be done?

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                              Evidence Based Scheduling[^] :)

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                                How do you estimate time fir writing code? If your manager ask you to give him a time for something to be done?

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                                Do a Work Breakdown Structure[^]. Estimate each item individually, and total them up. Add a buffer (10 or 20 percent, depending on experience). In an agile project, you can follow Planning Poker[^].

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                                  How do you estimate time fir writing code? If your manager ask you to give him a time for something to be done?

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                                  Marc Clifton
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                                  محمد م. محمد wrote:

                                  How do you estimate time fir writing code?

                                  There's the fundamental flaw. A time estimate needs to include more than just "writing code". Documentation, debugging, unit testing, feature testing, QA testing, rewriting... So, break your requirements down into smaller chunks, recurse (and I do mean, re-Curse) until you feel like you can confidently make an estimation and if you can't, refine the requirements further. Then for every 10 hours of code writing, factor in: 1 hour for documentation 1 hour for debugging 3 hours for testing (unit, feature, QA) 2 hours for rewrite based on requirement changes and problems resulting from testing and having to update the tests and docs. For every 500 hours of coding estimates, multiply the above additional factors by 2 to compensate for increasing complexity. Marc

                                  Day 1: Spider Database Navigator Unit Testing Succinctly

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                                    Evidence Based Scheduling[^] :)

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                                    Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                                    Evidence Based Scheduling[^]

                                    That's a great article. Thanks for sharing! Marc

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                                      How do you estimate time fir writing code? If your manager ask you to give him a time for something to be done?

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                                      PIEBALDconsult
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                                      I try not to give an estimate, but when pushed I say they should add six months to my estimate. This is based on experience, twice on a former job I gave an estimate: In the first case, it turned out that a few systems we had been using turned out not to be Y2K-compliant so we had to get new systems, I had to learn to use them, and alter our code to use them. In the second case, I thought that I could just drop some code into a new client's codebase (just as I always had), only to find that they were not using OpenVMS and Oracle PRO*C, but had instead opted for Windows NT and SQL Server (with ODBC X| ).

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                                        How do you estimate time fir writing code? If your manager ask you to give him a time for something to be done?

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                                        Matt U
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                                        I'm actually glad you asked this question. This will help me as well. I've never been able to honestly estimate time. When I started working for the client I'm with at the moment, they repeatedly ask about how long I think some things may take, and I never really have an answer.

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                                          I'm out of here bye. Will deactivate my account :~

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                                          Please ask the admins to re-activate your account; OriginalGriff was just joking, as he said here[^]

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